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1 posted on 02/04/2003 3:42:54 AM PST by kattracks
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Bump and Ping
2 posted on 02/04/2003 3:55:57 AM PST by chance33_98 (Freedom is not Free)
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To: kattracks
This is way beyond artrocious. This is, in effect, our government speaking. This must be hung out to air in public.
3 posted on 02/04/2003 4:01:09 AM PST by David Isaac
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To: kattracks
Lincoln was for all intents and purposes a Marxist in his later years...
4 posted on 02/04/2003 4:05:07 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: kattracks
Very worrisome. This definitely seems to be coming straight from 1984...
6 posted on 02/04/2003 4:12:32 AM PST by MWS (Errare humanum est, in errore perservare stultum.)
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To: kattracks
these are the same people who are going to redesign the gettysburg memorial for political correctness.
7 posted on 02/04/2003 4:14:06 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: kattracks
All anyone has to do is read Thomas J. DiLorenzo's "The Real Lincoln". Lincoln was anything but politically correct; he was a loner and a man trying to hold the Union together as a country; he was never "The Great Emancipator", he was a man building a nation - at any cost - and for any reason.
12 posted on 02/04/2003 4:20:17 AM PST by yoe
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16 posted on 02/04/2003 4:23:31 AM PST by mhking ("Space is dangerous, Doctor." --Elim Garak)
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"But Paul Meisius of Sheboygan, Wis., rejected the video's message as he interpreted it, and he chastised the National Park Service for showcasing it."
"That's awful," Meisius said as he finished watching the video. "The political correctness of it is beyond words."
"Our national monuments are being stripped of their true heritage. They are being uprooted and taken and changed. It's an atrocity that they are rewriting history in the sense that these people have political agendas," Meisius said.
Meisius, who was visiting Washington, D.C., with his wife and five children, believes the video is an attack by revisionist historians.


These revisionist historians are none other than the home growns communists of this foolish generation who left biblical truth to make their own. The result is always bloody;abortion, murder, deceit, treachery and on and on.
They have no shame, no consiense.





22 posted on 02/04/2003 4:47:09 AM PST by wgeorge2001 (One God, one faith, one baptism. The Father,Son and Holy Spirit!)
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This is a Lincoln memorial; let's just stay with stuff about Lincoln and not Martin Luther King. King has his own national holiday and a whole month of Black History. There is more information on Lincoln than eight minutes could hold.

This is truly disturbing that any controversial content is involved.
24 posted on 02/04/2003 5:00:22 AM PST by adakotab
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Dixie Ping!!!!
25 posted on 02/04/2003 5:03:19 AM PST by TomServo
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To: kattracks
Lincoln's attitude re the slaves and blacks in general was IMHO somewhat advanced for his time, but he was no apologist and - again my opinion - would not have supported reparations.
His statement that said he would do whatever it took to preserve the Union in terms of freeing slaves, all or some, says more about his commitment to preserve the Union than it does about his racial opinions. He didn't want the United States to split up at all, but especially on his watch.
The Emancipation Proclamation was, after all, more for psychological warfare than anything else. It was meant to demoralize the Confederacy and help win the war.
26 posted on 02/04/2003 5:43:32 AM PST by Marauder (If this is tea, please bring me some coffee. If it's coffee, please bring me some tea.)
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And Newt got in trouble for his series extolling American values as being too partisan. Unbelievable!!!
28 posted on 02/04/2003 5:49:54 AM PST by DLfromthedesert
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Linciln was primary in bringing about the belief that the state governments wer subservient to the federal government and that the federal government could literally do anything they damned well pleased. He was institutional in implementing the first income tax, which was later declared unconstitutional. He was a firm believer that the desires and needs of the government outweight the rights of the people.
29 posted on 02/04/2003 5:53:13 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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"I am reluctant, quite frankly, to say much to you because I don't know the whole other premise that you are coming from or the background or the fuller context that the story is being written in, and it has potential to be quite controversial," Line explained.

In other words, the video is a bunch of leftist propaganda and I know it but I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of admitting it.

30 posted on 02/04/2003 5:53:26 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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Next think you know they'll be saying that Jefferson Davis was the first Reagan Democrat.
38 posted on 02/04/2003 6:46:49 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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When the National Park Service can actually ask Mr. Lincoln for his views on a particular contemporary issue, then I encourage them to do so.

Until then, they can either present him as he actually was known to be, or they can sit down and STFU.

50 posted on 02/04/2003 7:40:19 AM PST by Riley
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Whoever would understand in his heart the meaning of America will find it in the life of Abraham Lincoln....

-- Ronald Reagan , first inaugural address, January 20, 1981

A hundred and one hundred and twenty years ago the greatest of all our Presidents delivered his second State of the Union Message in this chamber. "We cannot escape history," Abraham Lincoln warned. "We of this Congress and this Administration will be re membered in spite of ourselves." The "trial through which we pass will light us down in honor or dishonor to the latest generation." Well, that President and that Congress did not fail the American people. Together, they weathered the storm and preserved the union. Let it be said of us that we, too did not fail ; that we, too, worked together to bring America through difficult times. Let us so conduct ourselves that two centuries from now, another Congress and another President, meeting in this chamber as we're meet ing, will speak of us with pride, saying that we met the test and preserved for them in their day the sacred flame of liberty this last, best hope of man on Earth.

-- Ronald Reagan , State of the Union Address -January 26, 1982

We knew then what the liberal Democrat leaders just couldn't figure out....I heard those speakers at that other convention saying "we won the Cold War" -- and I couldn't help wondering, just who exactly do they mean by "we"? And to top it off, they even tried to portray themselves as sharing the same fundamental values of our party! What they truly don't understand is the principle so eloquently stated by Abraham Lincoln:

"You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage-earner by pulling down the wage-payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." If we ever hear the Democrats quoting that passage by Lincoln and acting like they mean it, then, my friends, we will know that the opposition has really changed. Until then, we see all that rhetorical smoke, billowing out from the Democrats, well ladies and gentlemen, I'd follow the example of their nominee. Don't inhale.

---Ronald Reagan, 1992 Republican Convention Speech

It was this spirit that helped black folks in America to survive and even begin to move toward prosperity during the years of legalized oppression after the Civil War and well into the 20th century . It was also this spirit, when it came to light in the Civil Rights movement of the late 50's and 60's, that had the power to transform the hardened conscience of America. Surprised and edified by the quiet dignity of black Americans seeking justice, the people of this country were called back to some respect for the first principles of America's life. For the Civil Rights movement followed the example of the American Founders, and of Lincoln, who had proclaimed that every single human being had a worth that comes not from laws and constitutions, but from the hand of God. With quiet determination the freedom marchers insisted that every government, every law and every power whatsoever is obliged to respect that worth....the temptation to succumb to worldly judgment about the dignity of individuals, particularly those not favored by fortune with wealth, position and beauty, can be overwhelming. Black Americans have faced this temptation, and defeated it. Lincoln led the public battle against the doctrine of human inequality, but countless anonymous others have steadfastly done their work over the decades to keep the flame alive and to spread it

--Alan Keyes, Februrary 17, 2001

Restoring the mantle of Lincoln to the Republican Party is a noble goal and, indeed, an essential one. But it is not enough to adopt the slogan. To lead the party in the footsteps of Lincoln requires that we understand clearly and deeply the soul of Lincoln's own deepest ambition -- the wellsprings of the sometimes heartbreaking and, ultimately, healing acts of political and presidential leadership that constitute the legacy of Lincoln. What was the real purpose that animated the striving of that great man, for which he spent the last resources of his noble soul and ultimately paid with his life? The answer occurring readily to most Americans would probably be that Lincoln's career, and his presidency, were devoted to the task of freeing the slaves. How then are we to understand the following words, written by Lincoln during the war, to one of the foremost abolitionists of the day?

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it."This quotation can seem almost scandalous in its apparent disregard for the abolitionist cause, particularly for those who are perceptive enough to realize that not all "unions" justify such devotion -- the Soviets, after all, had a "union" and freely accepted the necessity of slavery in their attempt to perpetuate it. Soviet acceptance of slavery in the cause of its union was, of course, deeply wrong.

Was Lincoln wrong as well? If we wish to understand, to wear again, the mantle of Lincoln, we must follow his thought deeper, and ask what it was about the Union that could move such a man -- whose deepest moral sentiments were outraged by the institution of slavery -- to defer the cause of abolition if it meant allowing the end of the political union of the American Republic.At stake was the survival of a community of free men still devoted, however imperfectly, to the attempt at just self-government. Lincoln understood the Founders to have formed a Union dedicated to vindicating the possibility of such a community. He believed that the Founders had understood that the institution of slavery, although it ultimately contradicted the principles of the republic, did not vitiate the solemn founding commitment to the pursuit of just self-government. Accordingly, Lincoln argued, the Founders had placed the institution of slavery "in the course of ultimate extinction" partly through a series of practical political concessions such as the constitutional time limit on the slave trade. Far more important, however, was the fact -- as Lincoln argued in scholarly depth -- that the founding generation universally understood that they were committing the country to a perpetual struggle to conform their lives and political institutions to the principles stated in the Declaration that gave birth to the Union itself. They, and Lincoln, knew that slavery could not survive such a commitment.

A Union that had formally broken its commitment to the Declaration, Lincoln believed, would no more be the Union of the founding. It would in fact be no less broken than the divided polity which the secession of the Southern states threatened to cause. Preserving the Union meant preserving the national commitment to the pursuit of justice in self-government, a goal never perfectly attained, but most definitely not to be abandoned because of any dispute about the manner of its accomplishment.

This, I believe, is what Lincoln meant in the famous words at Gettysburg, when he identified the "great task remaining before us." That task, he said, was "that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.".....or save the Union on the basis of the Declaration, Lincoln knew, required that slavery be returned to its condition at the Founding -- namely, that it be put firmly on the course of ultimate extinction. The delay in its extinction might be painfully long. But if it was necessary to endure that delay rather than admit that we could not govern ourselves under the principles of the Declaration, Lincoln was prepared to do so.....The resolve to evoke from his fellow citizens their assent to the eventual triumph of justice was Lincoln's greatest ambition, and his failure to do it without war was his greatest sorrow. In our time, the mantle -- the burden -- of the Declaration remains the source of what must be our own greatest ambition. The Republican Party must indeed reclaim the mantle of Lincoln -- we must highly resolve, as Lincoln said, to lead the nation to a renewed determination to seek justice according to the principles of the Declaration.

--Alan Keyes, August 12, 2000

63 posted on 02/04/2003 8:28:22 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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this kind of cr@p is really beginning to raise my hackles.
72 posted on 02/04/2003 10:34:09 AM PST by demosthenes the elder (i have nothing to add, except "Pbtbtbtbtbthh!!")
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He didn't care who you are and what you are, he loved everybody," said Elizabeth Baksi, a high school student from Houma, La., after viewing the video.

A perfect example of a dumb-down teenager of today.

[Lincoln] seemed like a very progressive, forward-thinking man, ahead of his time," Klain said.

You mean like shipping blacks out of the continental United States because they were "inferior" (Lincoln's words) to whites? Yes, very progressive indeed.

"Our national monuments are being stripped of their true heritage.

Couldn't agree with him more.

78 posted on 02/04/2003 11:10:08 AM PST by PistolPaknMama (kaboom!)
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And this rumor, as all others, are found deep within the democrats. they have goonies that carry their idealogy around you know, their own little posse.
95 posted on 02/04/2003 5:38:51 PM PST by Marines981 ("Rattle the big dogs cage and get your a** bit")
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