Observation on TPS damage on Orbiter

NASA photos | 2-3-03 | BoneMccoy

[freepersup]

Good job Budge- I don't know how you did it- but kudos just the same.

[Budge]

1708 - BTW, I have everything except coverpage there.

[freepersup]

I'm not saying with absolute certainty that it was the MLG door but I am saying it could have been. Suffice to say that something significant came off of the bird and I would venture that the shuttle responded accordingly.

[bonesmccoy]

OK...here's my verticle ballistics formula

Calculating time to impact based upon verticle acceleration of 32 feet per sec per sec


Previous data point is
13:56:24 GMT
36.48154, -110.4165
H= 220235 ft
V= 21.17 mach

In 6 seconds the vehicle went from 220235 to 219820 feet.
That's about 415 feet.

I'm going to assign an initial verticle acceleration of 0.
Final verticle acceleration of the object is equal to g = 32 feet/sec^2.

If
y = 219820 feet
v(iy) = 0 ft/sec
a(y) = 32 ft/sec/sec

-219820 ft = (0 ft/sec)(t) + 0.5*(-32 ft/sec/sec)*(t^2)

first term on right cancels due to zero, simplifying

-219820 ft = (-16 ft/sec/sec)*t^2

(-219820/-16) = 13738.75 = t^2

square root of 13738.75 = 117.2124 seconds

[Budge]

It is fairly open. There are some links to drawings posted here but I don't know the exact posts. However, check what I have at Fotki. You may find what you're looking for there. The link is here.

[John Jamieson]

The first big problem is coming up with density vs. Altitude equation I can put in Excel. I entered values every 10,000ft and came up with a table that I plotted in Excel and did a trend line.

I'll use D=.0024e^(-.00004*Altitude) until I have I have time to make it a little better.

D is in slugs/ft^3 and altitude is in feet.
I'll use CD = one for now.

Drag=Area*CD*AirDensity*V^2

Area would be the average of the six sides.

John

[John Jamieson]

I'm afraid aero drag plays a big role here! That's much to simple.

[halfbubbleofflevel]

I managed to get some free space for a limited time.

Here it is: http://mhga.ca/upload/shuttle.zip
Currently at 180.8K in size

Budge, if you can, please find a more permanent location as I don't know how long this will be up for.

As I mentioned earlier: With this version you can press F1 and it will create a "capture.tga" in the working directory. The image is fairly large in size but you could then use some jpg compressor to reduce if you want to.

[XBob]

When are we conjecturing that the "object" came off the orbiter?

At the 1st Roll Reversal initiation point?
That's datapoint 46 on NASA's pdf.

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i initially estimated about 5 seconds after roll reversal, however we have better info now, so when ever it was about 50 miles north of flagstaff.

[Cold Heat]

Sitting in recliner marveling at the math.

This is why I had to get dirty to make money! LOL

[Budge]

Can we put this on the server where my web page is? That would be a lot more permanent. BTW, the link didn't work.

[XBob]

what are you using to view it, or download it.

internet explorer.

LOL - I just went to try to open real player and found out I dont even have it installed anymore.

i guess that anti-virus ate it, when i cleaned up the klez virus.

[Budge]

Sitting in recliner marveling at the math. Me too. When they get outside the 1+1=11 range... :)

[bonesmccoy]

Horizontal Ballistics Calculation for object departing at Time of First Roll Reversal

x = v(ix)*t + 0.5*a(x)*t^2

Defined
v(ix) = initial velocity of object when departing vehicle
If v = Mach 21.13 at 13:46:30GMT,(46)1st Roll Reversal initiation
Assuming velocity= 21.13 * (761 mph) = 16079.93 mph
16079.93 mph * (1/3600 hour/sec) * (5280 ft/mile) = 23583.9 ft/sec

a(x) = 0 (is that correct guys?)

Time = 117.2124 seconds

x = (23583.9 ft/sec)*(117.2124 sec) + 0.5*(0 ft/sec/sec)*(117.2124 sec)^2

Since the left most factor drops out,
x = 2764326 feet = 523.5465 miles = 523 miles and 2885 feet

Of course, I am not accounting for any atmospheric factors, drag, etc.

I'll try and plot a map.

[freepersup]

cute- I am off to bed. Good night all. tighten the screws-

[Budge]

1732 - IE then ust the other day I got the RP pos just to view it.

[bonesmccoy]

Yes, I am aware of the fact that drag plays a big role here.

However, I do not have differential equations to relate drag at various altitudes, the prevailing winds on the morning in question, and the ground terrain.

So, the best I can surmise is the basic college ballistics equation and use that as the initial point of reference.

We can at least see where the impact point could have been and how close it is to a populated area.

[halfbubbleofflevel]

You should be able to do that. You would either give a person the URL or have a link to it on a web page to download it. Strange, I just saw your post and immediatly tried the link - and it worked for me.

[Cold Heat]

You need to enable sharing. The page comes up as unauthorized to view.

[bonesmccoy]

yeah, me too... gotta get some sleep.