Posted on 02/02/2003 3:40:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge
Edited on 04/12/2004 5:47:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
The Bush administration has hijacked an 1866 law intended to help open the West. The uses that the administration now envisions for this law has the potential to ruin vast portions of the West.
Many of the state's signature landscapes -- Death Valley and the Mojave National Preserve -- could soon face claims from local governments demanding rights-of-way over these federal lands for new roads. On the Mojave preserve alone, San Bernardino County is pressing claims to 2,567 miles of rights-of-way, according to the Los Angeles Times.
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A company in the park business wouldn't do that to their principle asset. They'd extort you to cough up the dough you always should have been paying. That's how undervauled it is.
You've never seen how a market like I'm proposing works because the system is currently subject to such incredible distortions. Nor do I recommend a wholesale change. From what I can tell it will take at least 50 years to undo this mess. In the mean time I can tell you that NOBODY would go into the nature management business to compete with an armed monopoly that can steal its raw material, tax for development capital, and charge almost nothing to overuse the park, and the results?
Have you been to the Valley lately? It's the worst forest I've EVER seen: scraggly, stunted, and aging pine trees are but three feet apart (or less), but the real tragedy in Yosemite is outside the Valley. I was mountaineering in Yosemite high country in the 60s. Those forests are dying from water competition, until they burn them in an overpopulated state. Then they get overrun with brush and burn again. If you knew ANYTHING about a forest you would understand that this was no way to get back to the climax forest Yosemite represented. Worse, much of the meadow habitat is overrun with pines now and if they burn it without killing the seed bank will be gone forever. The Park Service has essentially trashed its principle store of biodiversity. When I went there last summer it brought me to tears.
Only you would think you were vindicated upon such flimsy bases. It's a sign of desperation. Get help.
, with the proceeds going to the local municipal government.
You of course are an expert on extortion and what someone "should have been paying"?...I remember when it was our tax dollars that did that.
Only you would think you were vindicated upon such flimsy bases. It's a sign of desperation.
Actually the vindication is about my predicting of the corruption, price gouging and the devastating result of (R) Pete Wilson's and (R) Brulte's "deregulation".
Private ownership by profit driven coroporations would have the result I illustrated. The fact it's changed over the last 40+ yrs and it's natural state doesn't look like your idea of a well maintained garden isn't a factor.
It's curious though, unless I read you wrong, you used burning rather than logging as your solution. Is that because logging might benefit those evil developers you seem to despise?
Well, Jarbidge set the precident for this one. County and state roads belong to them...not the feds! This article of course, is issuing the familiar scare mongering as usual!!! Makes it sound like a sand rail is going to run ya down in the Mojave any minute.
Bush has simply done what the courts and a bunch of people proved in Jarbidge...that county and state roads belong to them. Unless you're in Oregon...Oregon will probably shut down I-5 to save a flea.
As if I didn't understand that. The trouble with debating you is that you really don't know when you're being outclassed. Still going on with that lie about Brulte I see. Steve Peace.
Private ownership by profit driven coroporations would have the result I illustrated.
That's a belief, not a fact. Financial analyses of similar resources indicate to the contrary. I repeat, you've never seen a market like I am talking about.
The fact it's changed over the last 40+ yrs and it's natural state doesn't look like your idea of a well maintained garden isn't a factor.
You don't know what you are talking about. I can state with absolute confidence you have never managed a forest.
It's curious though, unless I read you wrong, you used burning rather than logging as your solution.
Burning is a tool. Logging is a tool. Both have their place; both can be misused. Parts of Yosemite need to and should have been logged before burning. It may be a losing economic proposition, but because of past management practices, it must be done or the degradation will continue. Meadow restoration will be more difficult. I don't suppose you have ever restored a native meadow. I have. Forests are easy by comparison. Meadow habitat is under far more threat.
Is that because logging might benefit those evil developers you seem to despise?
I don't despise development, but I do despise how it's usually done (as do you apparently). Development patterns are a consequence of government regulation and land ownership creating artificial shortages of developable land while depressing the incentive to manage and protect the land resources. I wrote a whole book on that which is being reviewed favorably by a number of experts, but then, you know it all already.
You're right, I don't pretend to know how... I leave forrest management up to real experts and god.
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