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NASA: Shuttle Temperature Rose Suddenly
Yahoo News ^ | 2/2/03 | Paul Recer - AP

Posted on 02/02/2003 2:54:30 PM PST by NormsRevenge

NASA: Shuttle Temperature Rose Suddenly

By PAUL RECER, AP Science Writer

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -

NASA (news - web sites) officials said Sunday that space shuttle Columbia experienced a sudden and extreme rise in temperature on the fuselage moments before the craft broke apart.

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NASA space shuttle program manager Ron Dittemore said the temperature rise — 60 degrees over five minutes in the mid-fuselage — was followed by an increased sign of drag that caused the shuttle's computerized flight control system to try to make an adjustment to the flight pattern.

Dittemore cautioned that the evidence was still preliminary, but that one of the possibilities was that there been damage or a loss of thermal tiles that protect the shuttle from burning up during re-entry into the Earth's atmosphere.

"We are making progress," Dittemore said, adding that the combination of new engineering data and an observer who reported seeing debris from the shuttle while it was still passing over California may create "a path that may lead us to the cause."

The shuttle broke up shortly before landing Saturday, killing all seven astronauts. Most of its debris landed in eastern Texas and Louisiana.

Earlier Sunday, NASA administrator Sean O'Keefe named a former Navy admiral to oversee an independent review of the accident, and said investigators initially would focus on whether a broken-off piece of insulation from the big external fuel tank caused damage to the shuttle during liftoff Jan. 16 that ultimately doomed the flight 16 days later.

"It's one of the areas we're looking at first, early, to make sure that the investigative team is concentrating on that theory," O'Keefe said.

The insulation is believed to have struck a section of the shuttle's left side.

Dittemore said the engineering data showed a temperature rise in the left wheel well of the shuttle about seven minutes before communication was lost with the spacecraft. One minute later, there was an even more significant temperature rise in the middle to left side of the fuselage.

The drag on the left wing began a short while later, causing the shuttle's automated flight system to start to make adjustments.

"There may be some significance to the wheel well. We've got some more detective work," Dittemore said.

The manufacturer of the fuel tank disclosed Sunday that NASA used an older version of the tank, which the space agency began phasing out in 2000. NASA's preflight press information stated the shuttle was using one of the newer super-lightweight fuel tanks.

Harry Wadsworth, a spokesman for Lockheed, the tank maker, said most shuttle launches use the "super-lightweight" tank and the older version is no longer made. Wadsworth said he did not know if there was a difference in how insulation was installed on the two types of tanks.

Wadsworth said the tank used aboard the Columbia mission was manufactured in November 2000 and delivered to NASA the next month. Only one more of the older tanks is left, he said.

O'Keefe emphasized that the space agency was being careful not to lock onto any one theory too soon. He vowed to "leave absolutely no stone unturned."

For a second day, searchers scoured forests and rural areas over 500 square miles of East Texas and western Louisiana for bits of metal, ceramic tile, computer chips and insulation from the shattered spacecraft.

State and federal officials, treating the investigation like a multi-county crime scene, were protecting the debris until it can be catalogued, carefully collected and then trucked to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

The effort to reconstruct what is left of Columbia into a rough outline of the shuttle will be tedious and painstaking.

When a shuttle piece was located this weekend, searchers left it in place until a precise global position satellite reading could be taken. Each shuttle part is numbered; NASA officials say experts hope to trace the falling path of each recovered piece.

The goal is to establish a sequence of how parts were ripped off Columbia as it endured the intense heat and pressure of the high-speed re-entry into the atmosphere.

At least 20 engineers from United Space Alliance, a key NASA contractor for the shuttle program, were dispatched to Barksdale for what is expected to be a round-the-clock investigation.

Other experts, including metallurgists and forensic medicine specialists, are expected to join the investigation. Their focus will be on a microscopic examination of debris and remains that could elicit clues such as how hot the metal became, how it twisted and which parts flew off first.

In addition to NASA's investigation, O'Keefe named an independent panel to be headed by retired Navy admiral Harold W. Gehman Jr., who previously helped investigate the 2000 terrorist attack on the USS Cole (news - web sites).

Gehman's panel will also examine the Columbia wreckage, and come to its own conclusions about what happened. O'Keefe described Gehman as "well-versed in understanding exactly how to look about the forensics in these cases and coming up with the causal effects of what could occur."

Joining Gehman on the commission are four other military officers and two federal aviation safety officials.

Officials used horses and four-wheel-drive vehicles to find and recover the shuttle pieces. Divers were being called in to search the floor of Toledo Bend Reservoir, on the Texas-Louisiana line, for a car-sized piece seen slamming into the water.

Some body parts from the seven-member astronaut crew have been recovered and are being sent to a military morgue in Dover Air Force Base in Delaware.

Columbia came apart 200,000 feet over Texas while it was streaking at more than 12,000 miles an hour toward the Kennedy Space Center (news - web sites). A long vapor trail across the sky marked the rain of debris.


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KEYWORDS: columbia; nasa; rose; shuttle; sts107; suddenly; temperature
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To: Trust but Verify
That's why 'casual observers' are just that. They don't know all the facts.

I can tell you one fact I DO know. When the military plans a operation,a redunancy of equipment and personell ARE a part of all their planning. This is called contingency planning. They hold equipment and personell in reserve in case they are needed. There is no reason NASA couldn't do the same as a matter of course,and keep another shuttle held in reserve and ready to go within a day (at the MOST) if needed. There is no reason to not have EVA suits and tethers aboard each flight in case the crew needs to examine a part of the shuttle before the decision is made to call in backup,or try to land it. Unlike a lot of the other stuff NASA is involved in,this AIN'T rocket science. It's just basic,fundamental,good planning.

41 posted on 02/02/2003 5:18:21 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: verity
I just post 'em .. and move on ;-)

Check out The Space Shuttle Orbiter and Ceramic Tiles - Some History and Information ... I got to get back to digging.

42 posted on 02/02/2003 5:20:04 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Cboldt
It's hard to ignore the ignoramuses, particularly as they are persistent. I have been taking note of certain screen names, and taken to read the name at the bottom of a post before I bother to read the post.

How'm I doin? 8-|

43 posted on 02/02/2003 5:22:29 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Interesting Times
Bump for a potentially important post.

This *might* have only minor implications: longevity and reducing the repairs that need to be made.

Sort of along the lines of changing from Polyester cord tires to Steel belted radials instade ...

No real change in safety - just a longer usable life for one style/type of tile over the other ...

44 posted on 02/02/2003 5:25:25 PM PST by _Jim
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To: kylaka
This is the spouse of "one sided media" and I would like to relay the information I contacted NASA about the cause of the accident.

In the news conference held a couple of hours ago,part of the discussion was about the "roll control" and the inertial control system that manages yaw, pitch and roll of the spacecraft. We know in the last couple of minutes prior to the telemetry failing that the ship was rolling to its left, evidenced by the increase in temperature along the left wing and left side of the fuselage. Within a few moments of the telemetry failure, and it may have been what ultimately caused the communication's failure, I believe the control failed. As the ship rolled its left wing downward, the tiles on top of the wing and fuselage took the brunt of the friction and resulting heat. Because these tiles were not designed to handle this type of temperature, the friction overheated the fuselage, causing the explosion that we have seen on the video through out the day.

The ultimate question is why did the ship begin to roll?
45 posted on 02/02/2003 5:26:21 PM PST by One Sided Media
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To: sneakypete
When the military plans a operation,a redunancy of equipment and personell ARE a part of all their planning.

BIG DIFF when you have the manpower and budget to do this ... NASA doesn't ...

46 posted on 02/02/2003 5:27:12 PM PST by _Jim
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To: js1138
Back when I was a space program maven in 1980 or so, when I was 10 years old, I remember reading about some sort of ablative material that could be applied to the location of a missing tile in order to make re-entry survivable. Since I read it some twenty years ago, I have no idea where I read it or what the details of the material or its application were. Does anyone else remember this?
47 posted on 02/02/2003 5:27:21 PM PST by mvpel
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To: kylaka
"They've already admitted they had no way to view the underside of the shuttle to inspect for damage"

Has anyone heard any discussion of if would have been possible during the 16 days in orbit to have had the shuttle vist the space station and have had the 3 occupants there take a look at the underside?
48 posted on 02/02/2003 5:29:24 PM PST by Rebelbase (Rock with Celtic roots at http://www.sevennations.com)
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To: One Sided Media
The ultimate question is why did the ship begin to roll?

We're all waiting for a definitive answer on that one ... "increased drag" on the left side is cause - but *why* is the $64,000 question ...

49 posted on 02/02/2003 5:30:22 PM PST by _Jim
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To: Rebelbase
had the shuttle vist the space station

They ran short on money for gas ... seriously - you *plan* for your orbit/orbital inclination and final orbit height and that wasn't the plan for STS-107 ...

50 posted on 02/02/2003 5:32:40 PM PST by _Jim
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To: NormsRevenge
Your handle doesn't register on my meter (yet!!)

Thank you for your service.

Seriously, many of the ideas floated on these threads have been asked and answered about two dozen times already. I can understand the need for some repetition, but geez, Louise!!

51 posted on 02/02/2003 5:32:43 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: NormsRevenge
Reading these posts about tiles, I thought of a repair that maybe hasn't been considered. Instead of trying to attach a tile to a possible damaged section, why not have like a big "belt" with tile sections that bend. The whole belt, maybe three feet wide, could be floated out the cargo door and moved (maybe with a remote controlled rocket thingy) around the outside of the shuttle and then the belt secured to the cargo area on either side. This would give at least something of a "patch" over the damaged area.
52 posted on 02/02/2003 5:33:45 PM PST by Merdoug
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To: Rebelbase
They did not have enough delte-vee to get anywhere near the ISS. The orbits were too different.
53 posted on 02/02/2003 5:33:56 PM PST by chaosagent
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To: _Jim
Given the amount of surface beneath the left hand wing, it would take more then just a few tiles being lost to create the amount of drag needed to unbalance the descent. I think the tiles will turn out to be a dead end. More likely something in the internal control system.
54 posted on 02/02/2003 5:35:06 PM PST by One Sided Media
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To: NormsRevenge
The live sightings by freepers in California did indicate that there may have been a problem while the shuttle was passing over here.
55 posted on 02/02/2003 5:36:56 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: One Sided Media
More likely something in the internal control system.

BUT for the recorded increase of temps and subsequent loss of temp sensors - I would agree with you ...

56 posted on 02/02/2003 5:37:31 PM PST by _Jim
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To: No Truce With Kings
Know a good glue that works in a vaccuum at either +500 or -250 deg F?

Barnacle glue?;-)

57 posted on 02/02/2003 5:38:34 PM PST by StriperSniper (Start heating the TAR, I'll go get the FEATHERS.)
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To: No Truce With Kings
Fascinating reply--thanks

I had some questions:
"As for a quick spacewalk, well the suits weigh an awful lot, and you need two. So you cut your payload dramatically carrying the suits (and suit consumables) you need for that quick look-see. "

How much do the suits weigh? Assume they weigh 500# each. Is the paylosd calculated so closely that the additional 1000# would be too far outside the max takeoff weight?


"But lets say you waste the weight on the EVA equipment. You know those tiles are about as hard as styrofoam. Brittle, too. An astronaut swanning around near them has a good chance to break them."

That's a real revelation. I always thought that they were like refractory brick. That is why I had such a hard time seeing how a piece of insulation could damage the tiles. So, if it is like styrofoam, the individual shaping would not be a problem as a custom cut from an oversize square blank should be fairly simple. Then the attachment problems would have to be addressed.
I have often thought that a mastic "filler" could be developed that would give enough protection to get through reentry.
Why would it be necessary to send a whole space shuttle up for repair or rescue? We send up heavy 3 stage rockets all the time to put satellites into orbit. It could carry provisions, repair materials, or even a small lifting body. It would seem to me that having something like that on standby would be money well spent.

The underlying premise of your reply addressing the recognized danger of space flight, and the impossibility of creating a foolproof system was enlightening, well reasoned, and well written.
58 posted on 02/02/2003 5:39:56 PM PST by VMI70
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To: HardStarboard
http://www.floridatoday.com/columbia/debrisvideo.htm
59 posted on 02/02/2003 5:42:46 PM PST by tophat9000
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To: RossA
He didn't duck the question. Aside from the fact that the shuttle orbits the earth upside down, I don't know of a telescope of sufficient power that can track from horizon to horizon in 90-120 seconds.
60 posted on 02/02/2003 5:43:55 PM PST by Doohickey
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