[John Jorsett]

Ping. Looks like we're in an eternal battle with the forces of darkness tax-raising.

[Commander8]

Well,
Looks like it's time for another tax revolt in California.

[sd-joe]

"Characterizing it as a modest change"

Modest change. Sure, all it does is remove a very important protection for the taxpaying propery owners, to keep them from getting raped by those who endlessly want to raise taxes.

Modest change, my butt.

[elbucko]

Representatives of nearly 5,000 California urban, environmental and transportation planners say they'll fight this year for changes in Proposition 13...

I translate that introduction to mean that these are people who receive their livelihood from the government, either municipal, county, state or federal and want more money to spend. Their health insurance, their vacations, their retirement are all funded by government sources and they cannot understand why anyone wouldn't want their taxes raised. After all, when taxes go up, so do their wages/salaries due to built in COLA's.

Hey! why don't we just tax ourselves to PARADISE!

[FITZ]

you are essentially allowing those who don't own property to levy taxes on those who do," said Jon Coupal

Why were non-taxpayers ever allowed to vote in the first place? It's not their money that gets spent.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Representatives of nearly 5,000 California urban, environmental and transportation planners say they'll fight this year for changes in Proposition 13 to raise more money for parks, transit-oriented growth and farmland preservation.

Reads:

Representatives of nearly 5,000 California urban, environmental and transportation planners demagogues say they'll fight this year for changes in Proposition 13 to raise steal more money for parks, transit-oriented growth and farmland preservation their leeching, non-profit ponzi schemes.

[socal_parrot]

I heard last night on Al Rantel's program here in So Cal, maybe it was posted here before, that 45,000 Californian's pay 33% of the state's income tax. That's amazing.

[Amerigomag]

Prop. 13 has confused the state's tax system

Limiting the ability of elected Democrats to gogue property owners is "confusing"?. Seems a simple concept to me. Look elsewhere to fund your utopian state.

disrupted state development patterns to encourage sprawl

The state has a "development pattern"? My guess is the group is complaining that resonable taxes are not forcing sale of land to developers near the urban margins

and created a severe housing shortage.

4 million illegal aliens (and their progeny), in the last twenty years, have created the housing shortage, not prpoerty tax relief.

[Dan(9698)]

so --- fire the planners.

[Lizavetta]

A politician who robs Peter to pay Paul WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE SUPPORT OF PAUL. And there are a sh*tload more Pauls in California than just about anywhere.

[Publius6961]

Sounds like a few bureaucrats are ready for a new career?

Names, please...

[Lancey Howard]

"There's not a lot of incentive for cities to build houses...."What does this mean?
I am in Pennsylvania and things work differently here. In Pennsylvania, homes are built by builders who develop parcels of land and then sell these newly constructed homes to homebuyers.

Representatives of nearly 5,000 California urban, environmental and transportation planners...

Bury these sick scumbags - - do not give them an inch.
I recommend keeping them busy with lawsuits.

[cgbg]

There was an excellent discussion about this issue a month or so ago by Freepers.

Proposition 13 is a major factor driving the escalating price of California real estate.

This is an unintended consequence.

It works like this:

If you hold your property you keep the benefits of low property taxes. If you sell it and move somewhere else your new property is reassessed and you are clobbered.

As a result there is a huge economic incentive for Californians who want to move within the state to stay where they are and keep their home off the market.

Therefore as long as there is any significant net in-migration of potential homebuyers (or renters who move to buying--i.e. younger Californians) then the demand for housing will greatly exceed the supply. The result is wildly escalating housing prices.

There are other factors as well (environmentalist regulations preventing and related zoning restrictions preventing new units) but this is a major impact.

So, if proposition 13 is repealed the impact on California property values will be devastating. Combine that with the current unemployment situation and we could be talking major real estate meltdown here.

This is high stakes politics. I wonder if all the players understand the consequences.

[tubebender]

They already have their foot in the door on prop 13. Have you forgotten the lowering of the vote to 55% for school bond issues. We already have new bonds to pay for in Humboldt in just the past year with promisses of more.

[Enough is ENOUGH]

Prop 13 was specifically designed to protect us from a corrupt, leftist-socialist, spend-and-tax governor and legislature that now occupy the State Capitol Building.

They will try and chip away at it year after year until there is nothing left of it.

Damnit! Don't touch Prop 13.

[jeremiah]

The one thing that sticks out about this article, is the repetition of the old phrase,"allow those that don't own property, to vote on taxes for those that do". Show the renters of property, that their rent will go up when they vote for bonds, and the bonds will fail...... end of story.

[BJungNan]

"There's not a lot of incentive for cities to build houses, because in very few instances do you generate enough revenue from housing to cover the cost of providing services to that housing," said Vince Bertoni, a Santa Clarita city planner.

What a lot of garbarge this is. Just what services does this nimrod think is provided by the city - his bloated salary, the new Cadilacs all the state and city officials are buying themselves.

Laughable. These guy collect money for nothing and then think they are doing us a favor. Get a job in the real world @$$#0!#

[BJungNan]

"There's not a lot of incentive for cities to build houses, because in very few instances do you generate enough revenue from housing to cover the cost of providing services to that housing," said Vince Bertoni, a Santa Clarita city planner.

What a lot of garbarge this is. Just what services does this nimrod think is provided by the city - his bloated salary, the new Cadilacs all the state and city officials are buying themselves.

Laughable. These guy collect money for nothing and then think they are doing us a favor. Get a job in the real world @$$#0!#

[Joe Hadenuf]

bttt.....