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(Army)Soldier Has Reaction to Smallpox Vaccine
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Posted on 01/31/2003 5:43:42 PM PST by RCW2001

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1 posted on 01/31/2003 5:43:42 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
One soldier, this is news?
2 posted on 01/31/2003 5:51:04 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: RCW2001
Geez, I was immunized back in the 50's it was mandatory. Nobody ever made a fuss about it.
3 posted on 01/31/2003 5:51:46 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: americanbychoice
I do not understand the worry about the vaccination. EVERY CHILD had to be immunized before entering first grade in my state, Indiana. Now the press acts like this is a really risky procedure. I don't get it.
4 posted on 01/31/2003 5:54:03 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: RCW2001
I'd like to be re-vaccinated. Then, I'd like to see my children receive the vaccine.
5 posted on 01/31/2003 5:57:55 PM PST by Clara Lou (The Axis of Weasels will soon begin weaseling again.)
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To: americanbychoice
You got the scar? I do, left shoulder.
6 posted on 01/31/2003 6:01:44 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Clara Lou
Ditto.
7 posted on 01/31/2003 6:02:11 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
yep, wear it proudly too. :-)
8 posted on 01/31/2003 6:04:25 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: americanbychoice
Geez, I was immunized back in the 50's it was mandatory. Nobody ever made a fuss about it.

You also didn't have trial lawyers advertising on TV either.

9 posted on 01/31/2003 6:05:41 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: americanbychoice
I remember, kindergarten, we all lined up for the shot. Hey, remember air raid practices? We were told to crawl under our desks. Like THAT would protect us from a nuke!
10 posted on 01/31/2003 6:06:44 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: RCW2001
Hundreds of thousands of Americans have received cruder forms of the vaccine than what is given today - going back to the 1750's in the US.

I had it as a kid - Air Force brat - and it is not a big deal. But it makes great scare stories in the news for an ignorant population who can barely spell the word unaided.
11 posted on 01/31/2003 6:17:30 PM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: RCW2001; 2sheep; ApesForEvolution
A sad thing about this vaccine is that it doesn't work and makes one more susceptable to the disease. This is not junk science or hogwash, it is historical fact.


WHO SMALLPOX ERADICATION SUCCESS RECONSIDERED

Although smallpox is apparently now accorded to the history books, it will be necessary to re-examine the issue of this disease having been universally eradicated, with particular reference to the WHO eradication campaign. An honest look at this question is of considerable importance, as the current worldwide UCI-EPI program gains much of its legitimacy and inspiration from this widely acclaimed success story.

A strong challenge to this now popular view, is reflected in the post-campaign findings of medical researchers like Buttram and Hoffman:

Most people probably credit the smallpox vaccine with playing the major role in recent eradication of smallpox throughout the world, but let us examine the facts. In the article 'Vaccines a Future in Question,' statistics showed that less than 10 percent of children in developing countries have received vaccines.

They went on to comment that with this level of coverage, the WHO campaign was not a real factor in the eradication. Data obtained in their broad based research also led them to conclude that "mass smallpox vaccination was not necessary for the eradication of smallpox.110

In further examining this question from a longer historical perspective, it became readily apparent that the WHO claim did not at all square with the earlier data, i.e., historical smallpox eradication efforts. If we go back as far as the last century, we discover that Creighton's independent research findings as published in the Ninth Edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, strongly contradict the effectiveness of mass smallpox immunization programs. A few revealing excerpts follow:

As we move on into the earlier part of this century we find the same dismal picture of increased susceptibility correlated with increased vaccination coverage. Dettman and Kalokerinos describe a visit they paid to the Philippines about 15 years ago:

. . . We were fortunate enough to address their own medical (and) health officials where we reminded them of the incidence of smallpox in formerly "immunized" Filipinos. We invited them to consult their own medical records and asked them to correct us if our own facts and figures disagreed. No such correction has been forthcoming, and we can only conclude that between 1918-1919 there were 112,549 cases of smallpox notified, with 60,855 deaths. Systematic (mass) vaccination started in 1905, and since its introduction case mortality increased alarmingly. Their own records comment that "The mortality is hardly explainable." 112

Speaking at a 1973 environmental conference in Brussels, Professor George Dick admitted that in recent decades, 75 percent of those that have contracted smallpox in Britain, have had prior a history of vaccination. In that "only 40%" of children were vaccinated (and at most 10 percent of adults), such figures clearly indicate that the vaccinated--as in the much earlier historical record--continue to show a higher tendency to contract the disease. Dick also admitted that smallpox had been eradicated in certain tropical countries without mass vaccination.113 (Table VIII reveals that in the 16 year period preceding the year the WHO eradication campaign was launched--38 additional countries had ceased to report any smallpox cases.)114

A. Hutchison writing in the Journal of the Royal Society in 1974, referred to the smallpox vaccines "lack of potency" and the inadequacies of other measures for containment, in his words, "I have given details of the various outbreaks of smallpox in Britain and where they were diagnosed. These clearly indicate that the (preventive) measures are most ineffective.
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An article in the New Scientist indicates that "The smallpox family of viruses is genetically unstable," and that new viral strains which threaten the "WHO smallpox eradication programme, could emerge anywhere.
116 It is thus of interest that in a 1980 article in the Australasian Nurses Journal, Dettman and Kalokerinos pointed out that electron-microscopy cannot distinguish between the various "poxviruses.117 (According to D, de Saving of IDRC, as of 1990 DNA sequencing can make the distinquishingment. What is not known though, is whether this has any beating on the reporting of the various "pox" diseases worldwide.) This fact led them to raise a vitally significant question "as to whether smallpox may be declared conquered, (it's estimated that only 10 percent of the world population actually received the vaccine) with the possibility of it masquerading under the guise of a similar pox." Their line of evidence and reasoning is summarily stated:

. . . we claim that if the evidence is honestly evaluated that smallpox has actually been prolonged and that the so called protective vaccinations actually put the recipient at risk from . . . the disease itself. Authorities now realize this and the 'top world' countries are making vociferous protests about third world countries continuing use of smallpox vaccination because (a) suddenly it has become recognized that it is an extremely dangerous procedure, (To give some idea of the vaccine's dangers, it was reported--in the late sixties--that annually, roughly 3,000 children were experiencing varying degrees of brain damage due to the smallpox vaccine; and according to G. Kiftel in 1967, smallpox vaccination damaged the hearing of 3,296 children in West Germany, of which 71 became totally deaf.117) and (b) it has now been conquered. The ultimate in ingenuity. . . .118

In turning to recognized textbooks on human virology and vertebrate viruses we find that attention has been given since 1970 to a disease called "monkeypox," which is said to be "clinically indistinguishable from smallpox." Cases of this disease have been found in Zaire, Cameroon, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Liberia, and Sierra Leone (by May 1983, 101 cases have been reported). It is observed that " . . . the existence of a virus that can cause clinical smallpox is disturbing, and the situation is being closely monitored."119 (For a highly detailed account of the history of this disease and efforts to eradicate it, which further corroborates these observations, see, Razzell P., The Conquest of Smallpox, Caliban Books, United Kingdom, 1977.)

12 posted on 01/31/2003 6:18:31 PM PST by Alpha One
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To: Indy Pendance
Indy, you're an old geezer, like me! I remember diving under our desks, too. We thought it was a hoot - what did WE know? Yeah, that would have really protected us from the dreaded ATOMIC BOMB!!!
13 posted on 01/31/2003 6:19:12 PM PST by Inspectorette
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To: Jeremiah Jr
MEHPA Now Law in 20 States; Homeland Security Act Shields Vaccine Makers from Potential Litigation

[With media pre-conditioning of the population for biowarfare attacks reaching new levels, a number of inconsistencies are appearing in U.S. government positions. While the CIA web site's analysis of possible Iraqi threats makes no references to smallpox, other recent stories in the major media are sounding dire warnings about it. On Sunday December 15, 2002 HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson appeared on CNN to agree that smallpox vaccines are inherently dangerous and that cabinet members would not be receiving vaccinations even as President Bush promised to be vaccinated with U.S. troops. Thus far, the U.S. military is the only group subject to mandatory vaccinations. And while Thompson and other federal officials insist that there will be no federal order directing mass vaccinations of the American public, MEHPA, a federally sponsored law that could do just that is quietly making inroads in many state legislatures. Recently, Congressman Ron Paul of Texas, a heroic and outspoken protector of civil liberties - himself a medical doctor - has indicated that several portions of the recently enacted Homeland Security bill do, in fact, make it possible for the federal government to order compulsory vaccination of the American public.

MEHPA

Georgetown and Johns Hopkins' Center for Law and the Public Health, the think tank where this state legislation model was created, reports MEHPA-like laws have been passed in 20 states, and 16 state legislatures have introduced measures dealing with public health emergencies caused by a terrorist attack.

States where MEHPA laws have been enacted include: Arizona, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, and Wisconsin. Washington, D.C. has also enacted an emergency health powers law.

State legislatures where MEHPA has been introduced include: California, Connecticut, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Washington, and Wyoming.

About 500,000 military personnel stationed overseas or likely to be deployed abroad were scheduled to receive the vaccine , followed in the coming months by between 450,000 and 500,000 emergency healthcare workers who would be the first-responders to a smallpox attack. The vaccine is a requirement for the military and voluntary for healthcare workers.

14 posted on 01/31/2003 6:20:14 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: RCW2001
One soldier inoculated against smallpox has suffered a potentially serious skin reaction

And in other breaking news, one soldier had a serious hangover after a night on leave. Authorities are investigating.

15 posted on 01/31/2003 6:24:38 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: RCW2001
OHIO MILEPOSTS | JAN. 29, 1810
Smallpox vaccinations draw fire
Wednesday, January 29, 2003
Gerald Tebben
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Fearful citizens attacked Dr. John M. Shawg of Lancaster on Jan. 29, 1810, for vaccinating his children against smallpox.

At a time when patients regularly were stuck with poultices and plasters or bled of ill humors, the idea of inoculating a child with a mild disease -- cow pox -- to protect against deadly smallpox was viewed with suspicion on the Ohio frontier.

Most of the community, perhaps mindful of an earlier smallpox outbreak in Marietta, supported the doctor. Five men, though, fired though Shawg's window and broke down his door.

In a report to Gov. Samuel Huntington, citizens reported:

''Jonathan Lynch Took Hold of the wife of Shawg Pulling her about & hauled her out of the house & pushed her with the rifle gun removed her with three children 2 or 3 miles into the country in a could cabin.

''Took hold of Doct Shawg squeezed & Pullet him about his back very much hurt & has received a Rupture.''

The citizens asked Huntington to restore peace and give Shawg a ''Permit to inoculate the small pox the subscribers famelis for the benefit & safety of them.''

Source: The History of the State of Ohio, Vol. II, by Carl F. Wittke

16 posted on 01/31/2003 6:27:19 PM PST by Deadeye Division
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To: Miss Marple
The Left wing, lib, Commie media blow this all out of proportion to try to demonize the President. As has been said in this thread " MAN EVERYONE HAD THESE SHOTS" back in 30,40,50's. I have had at least 10 (I'M 72).
17 posted on 01/31/2003 6:27:36 PM PST by Uncle George
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To: Uncle George
I'd bet you were never exposed to the actual smallpox virus either.
18 posted on 01/31/2003 6:32:40 PM PST by Alpha One
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To: Deadeye Division
The Case Against Vaccination
19 posted on 01/31/2003 6:34:31 PM PST by Alpha One
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To: RCW2001
Whenever you use a live virus for vaccination you can potentially run into complications. This is the reason the vaccinations were stopped in this country in the first place, because the actualy risk of complications was higher than the risk of getting smallpox. It IS a big deal to these soldiers and their families, but when compared to the 500,000 or so vaccinations done so far, the risk is quite small. It's really too bad that we even have to vaccinate in the first place. Perhaps if we get rid of Saddam, it will mean the next generation won't have to get vaccinated either.
20 posted on 01/31/2003 6:35:13 PM PST by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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