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1 posted on 01/31/2003 5:43:42 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
One soldier, this is news?
2 posted on 01/31/2003 5:51:04 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: RCW2001
Geez, I was immunized back in the 50's it was mandatory. Nobody ever made a fuss about it.
3 posted on 01/31/2003 5:51:46 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: RCW2001
I'd like to be re-vaccinated. Then, I'd like to see my children receive the vaccine.
5 posted on 01/31/2003 5:57:55 PM PST by Clara Lou (The Axis of Weasels will soon begin weaseling again.)
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To: RCW2001
Hundreds of thousands of Americans have received cruder forms of the vaccine than what is given today - going back to the 1750's in the US.

I had it as a kid - Air Force brat - and it is not a big deal. But it makes great scare stories in the news for an ignorant population who can barely spell the word unaided.
11 posted on 01/31/2003 6:17:30 PM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: RCW2001; 2sheep; ApesForEvolution
A sad thing about this vaccine is that it doesn't work and makes one more susceptable to the disease. This is not junk science or hogwash, it is historical fact.


WHO SMALLPOX ERADICATION SUCCESS RECONSIDERED

Although smallpox is apparently now accorded to the history books, it will be necessary to re-examine the issue of this disease having been universally eradicated, with particular reference to the WHO eradication campaign. An honest look at this question is of considerable importance, as the current worldwide UCI-EPI program gains much of its legitimacy and inspiration from this widely acclaimed success story.

A strong challenge to this now popular view, is reflected in the post-campaign findings of medical researchers like Buttram and Hoffman:

Most people probably credit the smallpox vaccine with playing the major role in recent eradication of smallpox throughout the world, but let us examine the facts. In the article 'Vaccines a Future in Question,' statistics showed that less than 10 percent of children in developing countries have received vaccines.

They went on to comment that with this level of coverage, the WHO campaign was not a real factor in the eradication. Data obtained in their broad based research also led them to conclude that "mass smallpox vaccination was not necessary for the eradication of smallpox.110

In further examining this question from a longer historical perspective, it became readily apparent that the WHO claim did not at all square with the earlier data, i.e., historical smallpox eradication efforts. If we go back as far as the last century, we discover that Creighton's independent research findings as published in the Ninth Edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, strongly contradict the effectiveness of mass smallpox immunization programs. A few revealing excerpts follow:

As we move on into the earlier part of this century we find the same dismal picture of increased susceptibility correlated with increased vaccination coverage. Dettman and Kalokerinos describe a visit they paid to the Philippines about 15 years ago:

. . . We were fortunate enough to address their own medical (and) health officials where we reminded them of the incidence of smallpox in formerly "immunized" Filipinos. We invited them to consult their own medical records and asked them to correct us if our own facts and figures disagreed. No such correction has been forthcoming, and we can only conclude that between 1918-1919 there were 112,549 cases of smallpox notified, with 60,855 deaths. Systematic (mass) vaccination started in 1905, and since its introduction case mortality increased alarmingly. Their own records comment that "The mortality is hardly explainable." 112

Speaking at a 1973 environmental conference in Brussels, Professor George Dick admitted that in recent decades, 75 percent of those that have contracted smallpox in Britain, have had prior a history of vaccination. In that "only 40%" of children were vaccinated (and at most 10 percent of adults), such figures clearly indicate that the vaccinated--as in the much earlier historical record--continue to show a higher tendency to contract the disease. Dick also admitted that smallpox had been eradicated in certain tropical countries without mass vaccination.113 (Table VIII reveals that in the 16 year period preceding the year the WHO eradication campaign was launched--38 additional countries had ceased to report any smallpox cases.)114

A. Hutchison writing in the Journal of the Royal Society in 1974, referred to the smallpox vaccines "lack of potency" and the inadequacies of other measures for containment, in his words, "I have given details of the various outbreaks of smallpox in Britain and where they were diagnosed. These clearly indicate that the (preventive) measures are most ineffective.
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An article in the New Scientist indicates that "The smallpox family of viruses is genetically unstable," and that new viral strains which threaten the "WHO smallpox eradication programme, could emerge anywhere.
116 It is thus of interest that in a 1980 article in the Australasian Nurses Journal, Dettman and Kalokerinos pointed out that electron-microscopy cannot distinguish between the various "poxviruses.117 (According to D, de Saving of IDRC, as of 1990 DNA sequencing can make the distinquishingment. What is not known though, is whether this has any beating on the reporting of the various "pox" diseases worldwide.) This fact led them to raise a vitally significant question "as to whether smallpox may be declared conquered, (it's estimated that only 10 percent of the world population actually received the vaccine) with the possibility of it masquerading under the guise of a similar pox." Their line of evidence and reasoning is summarily stated:

. . . we claim that if the evidence is honestly evaluated that smallpox has actually been prolonged and that the so called protective vaccinations actually put the recipient at risk from . . . the disease itself. Authorities now realize this and the 'top world' countries are making vociferous protests about third world countries continuing use of smallpox vaccination because (a) suddenly it has become recognized that it is an extremely dangerous procedure, (To give some idea of the vaccine's dangers, it was reported--in the late sixties--that annually, roughly 3,000 children were experiencing varying degrees of brain damage due to the smallpox vaccine; and according to G. Kiftel in 1967, smallpox vaccination damaged the hearing of 3,296 children in West Germany, of which 71 became totally deaf.117) and (b) it has now been conquered. The ultimate in ingenuity. . . .118

In turning to recognized textbooks on human virology and vertebrate viruses we find that attention has been given since 1970 to a disease called "monkeypox," which is said to be "clinically indistinguishable from smallpox." Cases of this disease have been found in Zaire, Cameroon, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Liberia, and Sierra Leone (by May 1983, 101 cases have been reported). It is observed that " . . . the existence of a virus that can cause clinical smallpox is disturbing, and the situation is being closely monitored."119 (For a highly detailed account of the history of this disease and efforts to eradicate it, which further corroborates these observations, see, Razzell P., The Conquest of Smallpox, Caliban Books, United Kingdom, 1977.)

12 posted on 01/31/2003 6:18:31 PM PST by Alpha One
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MEHPA Now Law in 20 States; Homeland Security Act Shields Vaccine Makers from Potential Litigation

[With media pre-conditioning of the population for biowarfare attacks reaching new levels, a number of inconsistencies are appearing in U.S. government positions. While the CIA web site's analysis of possible Iraqi threats makes no references to smallpox, other recent stories in the major media are sounding dire warnings about it. On Sunday December 15, 2002 HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson appeared on CNN to agree that smallpox vaccines are inherently dangerous and that cabinet members would not be receiving vaccinations even as President Bush promised to be vaccinated with U.S. troops. Thus far, the U.S. military is the only group subject to mandatory vaccinations. And while Thompson and other federal officials insist that there will be no federal order directing mass vaccinations of the American public, MEHPA, a federally sponsored law that could do just that is quietly making inroads in many state legislatures. Recently, Congressman Ron Paul of Texas, a heroic and outspoken protector of civil liberties - himself a medical doctor - has indicated that several portions of the recently enacted Homeland Security bill do, in fact, make it possible for the federal government to order compulsory vaccination of the American public.

MEHPA

Georgetown and Johns Hopkins' Center for Law and the Public Health, the think tank where this state legislation model was created, reports MEHPA-like laws have been passed in 20 states, and 16 state legislatures have introduced measures dealing with public health emergencies caused by a terrorist attack.

States where MEHPA laws have been enacted include: Arizona, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, and Wisconsin. Washington, D.C. has also enacted an emergency health powers law.

State legislatures where MEHPA has been introduced include: California, Connecticut, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Washington, and Wyoming.

About 500,000 military personnel stationed overseas or likely to be deployed abroad were scheduled to receive the vaccine , followed in the coming months by between 450,000 and 500,000 emergency healthcare workers who would be the first-responders to a smallpox attack. The vaccine is a requirement for the military and voluntary for healthcare workers.

14 posted on 01/31/2003 6:20:14 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: RCW2001
One soldier inoculated against smallpox has suffered a potentially serious skin reaction

And in other breaking news, one soldier had a serious hangover after a night on leave. Authorities are investigating.

15 posted on 01/31/2003 6:24:38 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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OHIO MILEPOSTS | JAN. 29, 1810
Smallpox vaccinations draw fire
Wednesday, January 29, 2003
Gerald Tebben
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Fearful citizens attacked Dr. John M. Shawg of Lancaster on Jan. 29, 1810, for vaccinating his children against smallpox.

At a time when patients regularly were stuck with poultices and plasters or bled of ill humors, the idea of inoculating a child with a mild disease -- cow pox -- to protect against deadly smallpox was viewed with suspicion on the Ohio frontier.

Most of the community, perhaps mindful of an earlier smallpox outbreak in Marietta, supported the doctor. Five men, though, fired though Shawg's window and broke down his door.

In a report to Gov. Samuel Huntington, citizens reported:

''Jonathan Lynch Took Hold of the wife of Shawg Pulling her about & hauled her out of the house & pushed her with the rifle gun removed her with three children 2 or 3 miles into the country in a could cabin.

''Took hold of Doct Shawg squeezed & Pullet him about his back very much hurt & has received a Rupture.''

The citizens asked Huntington to restore peace and give Shawg a ''Permit to inoculate the small pox the subscribers famelis for the benefit & safety of them.''

Source: The History of the State of Ohio, Vol. II, by Carl F. Wittke

16 posted on 01/31/2003 6:27:19 PM PST by Deadeye Division
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Whenever you use a live virus for vaccination you can potentially run into complications. This is the reason the vaccinations were stopped in this country in the first place, because the actualy risk of complications was higher than the risk of getting smallpox. It IS a big deal to these soldiers and their families, but when compared to the 500,000 or so vaccinations done so far, the risk is quite small. It's really too bad that we even have to vaccinate in the first place. Perhaps if we get rid of Saddam, it will mean the next generation won't have to get vaccinated either.
20 posted on 01/31/2003 6:35:13 PM PST by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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Yeah, in the Fifties, I was a Boy Scout and was vacinated, and I had a sore on my arm for a week and a half! Big Fat Hairy Deal! (Sorry, Hitlery!)
25 posted on 01/31/2003 6:46:09 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: RCW2001
Both men now are in good condition, the Pentagon said.

We must continue to pray for our military, as they face more than just the evil doers we can see, touch, and feel. God protect our soldiers who prepare to fight a righteous battle.

33 posted on 01/31/2003 7:00:39 PM PST by nicmarlo
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Prayers for these two soldiers and prayers for all the rest. The vaccine is dangerous, but it's not as dangerous as the disease.
35 posted on 01/31/2003 7:05:05 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: RCW2001
How long before the vaccine-haters completely hijack the thread?
37 posted on 01/31/2003 7:08:34 PM PST by July 4th
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To: RCW2001
Whoopdyy-friggin-do!!!!
38 posted on 01/31/2003 7:08:48 PM PST by chesty_puller
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To: RCW2001
"suffered a potentially serious skin reaction"
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A sking reaction! Wow, that's real front page news!!

From Washington Post article of Jan. 13, 2003:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A40356-2003Jan10&notFound=true


"From 1942 to 1990, when smallpox inoculations ceased for military personnel, the armed forces did not record a single fatality from the vaccine, records reviewed by The Washington Post show. The overall incidence of adverse reactions was so low that the military program continued years after experts counseled that there was no longer a reason to vaccinate, since smallpox had been eradicated worldwide.

Information on the military's experience in published materials and internal military documents from the 1960s through the 1980s comprises the only known body of evidence describing the effects of the U.S. vaccine in a large population over a long period of time.

The armed forces vaccine was made from the same strain of vaccinia virus, a cousin of the smallpox virus, that the government plans to use in the coming months to immunize as many as 11 million police officers, firefighters and medical workers who may be called upon to deal with a biological warfare attack."

43 posted on 01/31/2003 7:22:46 PM PST by FairOpinion
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This whole thing is a bunch of $hit. When I was a kid, everyone took a smallpox vaccination. I never knew of a single person dying. My reaction was severe, but I lived with it.
48 posted on 01/31/2003 7:37:01 PM PST by Pushi
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To: RCW2001
Just make sure if you get vaccinated to don't go near anybody on chemotherapy or if you are on it don't go near people who have been vaccinated.
This wasn't a problem back in the old days
49 posted on 01/31/2003 7:37:36 PM PST by uncbob
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To: RCW2001
In a related story, AP is reporting that the Sun will rise tomorrow.
53 posted on 01/31/2003 7:40:18 PM PST by Rome2000
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Must be malingerers, give them two APC and send them back to duty.
61 posted on 01/31/2003 7:45:04 PM PST by cynicom
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Back when we used to immunize everyone against smallpox, this sort of thing happened with some regularity.

Vaccine Death rate=2 out of a million
Smallpox death rate= 350,000 out of a million.

Better odds with the shots.

289 posted on 02/03/2003 3:35:15 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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