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Al-Qaeda has dirty bomb, UK says
BBC News ^ | January 31, 2003 | Frank Gardner

Posted on 01/30/2003 4:46:05 PM PST by MadIvan

British officials have presented evidence which they claim shows that al-Qaeda has been trying to assemble radioactive material to build a so-called dirty bomb.

They have shown the BBC previously undisclosed material backing up their claim.

It includes secret intelligence from agents sent into al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan by Britain.

Posing as recruits, they blended in and reported back.

They revealed that Osama Bin Laden's weapons programme was further on than anyone thought.

British officials said on Thursday Bin Laden now has the expertise and possibly the materials to build a crude radioactive bomb.

The government says evidence suggests that by 1999, Bin Laden's priority was to develop a weapon of mass destruction.

He had acquired radioactive isotopes from the Taleban to do this, officials said, adding that development work on the "dirty bomb" had been going on in a nuclear laboratory in the Afghan city of Herat.

Evidence 'credible'

The government even has al-Qaeda training manuals which detail how to use a dirty bomb to maximum effect.

For a second opinion, the BBC showed some of the material to an expert on al-Qaeda.

"I think this is genuine," said Dr Mustafa Alani, of the Royal United Service Institute.

"It is credible. This is proof that al-Qaeda put a lot of effort into collecting information and educating other members of the organisation.

"It is possible to produce this sort of weapon."

British military personnel worked with intelligence officers to gather material which was taken to Porton Down defence research centre in Wiltshire.

Their conclusion was that al-Qaeda had a small dirty bomb but probably not a full blown nuclear device.

"From nuclear weapons the threat is very, very slim," said Gary Samore, a former US National Security Council member.

To create one, he said, al-Qaeda would have needed to obtain weapons grade nuclear material - a difficult prospect.

Saddam might have that sort of material. Hmmm. - Ivan

"On the other hand, the threat of a dirty bomb or radiological bomb, is much more plausible," he added.

British officials say the "bomb" has never been recovered but at least one leading al-Qaeda weapons expert from Herat is still at large.

Why the British government would release such top secret information has been questioned by some commentators in the Arabic world.

Abdel Bari Atwan, the editor of Al Quds al Arabi, said it was an attempt to revive fears in Britain and the US about 11 September.

"They would like to prove their point that there are links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda," he said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; binladen; blair; bomb; bush; oef; radiation; uk; us; warlist
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To: MadIvan
Thank you, Ivan. I always enjoy your posts for their content, but also as evidence that not all of Europe is insane. Come to America, we will need good men for the last stand of civilization...
41 posted on 01/30/2003 5:27:55 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: MadIvan
Well hopefully Daschle is now going to be a good boy and sit in the back of the room.

He's not smart enough to do that. The man can't get enough of the taste of his own foot.

In these dangerous times, Dasshole's comic relief definitely hits the spot.

42 posted on 01/30/2003 5:28:00 PM PST by WarSlut
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To: MadIvan
Ivan, you and your mates buckle down, ok?

The vermin will try to split the UK from the US through some murder-intended event in the next 10 days.

Keep an eye on those peaceful Sons of Allah, promise?

43 posted on 01/30/2003 5:28:43 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: roadcat
Of course, we should then deny having anything to do with it and then suggest maybe the French did it... (what the heck, maybe the arabs will take it out on them).

Let's see if I can work with this. The French have nukes, and the last time they didn't wave the white flag at the first drop of the hat was when Greenpeace wanted them to stop nuke testing in the South Pacific.

44 posted on 01/30/2003 5:31:19 PM PST by steveegg (Are you pondering what I'm pondering?)
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To: Aaron0617
Probably because there are more people in Britain who
could pass as Al-Queida recruits who're loyal to Britain than in the US.

Britain did have colonies all over the world, you know.

45 posted on 01/30/2003 5:31:34 PM PST by altayann
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To: jlogajan
Calling attention to the event is just what they would want to do; remember, this is terrorism. Spreading the radioactive material by hand, as it were, might be more effective, but what else can focus your attention like a large explosion?
46 posted on 01/30/2003 5:37:36 PM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: milestogo
Ref your picture: May a large pig fly up his arse.

That pisses me off.

LVM

47 posted on 01/30/2003 5:43:42 PM PST by LasVegasMac
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To: Aaron0617
I heard it was near impossible for Western spys to infiltrate Al Qeada.

Who said they were Western version spies?

Point taken about being hard to infiltrate, but if we (or UK) do, chances are it was not a James Bond look-a-like that does it. No?

LVM

48 posted on 01/30/2003 5:48:45 PM PST by LasVegasMac
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To: milestogo
Photo.... Karachi?
49 posted on 01/30/2003 5:49:16 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: Aaron0617
You've answered your own question... key word is "Clinton."
50 posted on 01/30/2003 5:51:18 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: MadIvan
I suspect what is going to occur next is that Blair or Bush will reveal that Al Qaeda got the radioactive material for this bomb from Saddam.

And that Saddam got help from the Germans / Frogs / Chinees / NK.

As the world turns. Not that we are guiltless.

LVM

51 posted on 01/30/2003 5:56:35 PM PST by LasVegasMac
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To: steveegg
Steve, I've shared this before today, but I have an awesome coffee table book "The History of World War II." 480 pages, 7 point font, just overwhelming. Here's some chapters and chronology that, after review, make me dislike the French:

Guadalcanal? Page 251. August 1942 - February 1943.
Alamein? Page 232. November 1942.
Battle of Berlin? Page 399. May 1945
Drive to Rome? Page 303, May 1944
Iwo Jima (God bless the USMC)? Spring 1945
Anzio Killing fields? Page 303. May 1944
THE MIRACULOUS RESCUE OF BRIT TROOPS AFTER FRENCH BETRAYAL AT DUNKIRK? PAGE 46. JUNE 1940.
THE FRICKING FALL OF FRANCE? PAGE 49. JUNE 1940.
THE LIBERATION OF PARIS? PAGE 340, AUGUST 1944.

France: What a country of gutless turds. The Nazis goose stepped right through L'Arc de Triumphe, and Parisians of both genders were queuing up to orally service their new Arayan masters.

52 posted on 01/30/2003 5:56:41 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: WorkingClassFilth; swarthyguy
Speaking of Pakistan, we read back in late 2001 (or so) about the 2 Pakistani nuke scientists who were interviewed by the CIA. But what very little was written at the time about was the fact that our "friend" Musharraf spirited at least 2 others out of the country before the CIA could talk to them. The two I know of were moved to Myanmar (the topic of a whole OTHER story, equally scary). Were there others beyond the 4 that I can account for? And if so, WHERE did THEY go?
53 posted on 01/30/2003 5:57:04 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: MadIvan
bump
54 posted on 01/30/2003 5:58:43 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (Let's Roll)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Back during the Kosovo debacle, the ChiCOMs were given parts of stealth aircraft that went down, by the Serbs, as well. Guess what, now they've got stealth too!
55 posted on 01/30/2003 5:59:51 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: belmont_mark
Why wouldn't Pakistan hide and protect their top nuclear engineers and scientists from harm or seizure? If I were in New Dehli, I'd have my sights on them, that's a hallelujah, and can I ... yeah I got a witness.
56 posted on 01/30/2003 6:02:17 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: belmont_mark
Guess what, now they've got stealth too!

Yeah, they're short and hard to see.

I need a source for that comment

57 posted on 01/30/2003 6:05:00 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: Aaron0617
I don't know about this story. I heard it was near impossible for Western spys to infiltrate Al Qeada.

If Taliban Johnny can just go over there and sign up, how hard can it be?

58 posted on 01/30/2003 6:06:30 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: milestogo
Who is J W Bush?
59 posted on 01/30/2003 6:11:47 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (FREE SNUGGLES! Click on my profile to find out what this is all about)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I think he manages the Bijou Movie theater in Mandan, ND.
60 posted on 01/30/2003 6:13:11 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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