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Mark Steyn: Go forth and multiply
National Post (Canada) ^ | 01/28/03 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 01/28/2003 9:47:16 AM PST by Pokey78

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To: arthurus
Thus, I take it that you define pregnancy at the age of 17 in modern society as "irresponsibility".

Yep. (Statement corrected to re-insert the relevant context, in such a way as to foreclose irrelevant observations about the days when people often married at 15 and died at 40.)

41 posted on 01/28/2003 11:06:16 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Pokey78
"Dr. Howard Dean, was so anxious to demonstrate his bona fides that he all but offered to perform a partial-birth abortion on audience volunteers."

Another great one from Steyn.

Hey, conservative movement/celebrity lurkers: Steyn makes a good point above. At the NARAL convention, 'Dr.' Dean made the comment, "partial birth abortion isn't even an issue". In other words, it's a nonsensical point.

Why doesn't someone ask Dean if he'd be willing to perform a PBA. Maybe send a camera crew along to film it live? Maybe Dr. Dean could show us why it's such a great thing?

42 posted on 01/28/2003 11:06:37 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: Thorondir
It has no readily discernable relation to the article or discussion at hand. What am I to take from it?

As someone who spent 4 years working in a restaurant, and now tends bar part-time for extra cash, here's my take. I think steve-b is one of those patrons that goes out with the calculator running in his head. His evening consists of running his waiter/waitress/bartender in circles to calculate the level of service. However, no matter how many times you promptly fill his coffee cup, wipe the wet spots off his table or perfectly pour his beer, his high point is 15% while ticking off every real or imagined slight in service so he can feel justified leaving a $1.50 tip on a $30.00 bill.

Do us all a favor and stay home.

43 posted on 01/28/2003 11:10:18 AM PST by Cable225
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To: steve-b
Charity is not the act of giving something to one less fortunate. It is an attitude of goodwill towards others. Its physical manifestation can be the giving of "alms" or the support of someone who has made a right decision against adversity even if that decision does not personally aggrandize oneself.
44 posted on 01/28/2003 11:10:38 AM PST by arthurus
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To: Damocles
Not much compassion in that there conservatism...

That's because it's not conservativsm, it's neo-Bolshevism, er libertarianism.

45 posted on 01/28/2003 11:11:35 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: Orangedog
Good point.
46 posted on 01/28/2003 11:12:16 AM PST by arthurus
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To: steve-b
Physiologically a woman is in better condition to have a baby at 17 than at 30 or even 25. As I said before, I bet you harumph a lot.
47 posted on 01/28/2003 11:14:53 AM PST by arthurus
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To: Cable225
I tip 20% minimum. Waiters bust their a$$es and take cr@p out the yang from jerks...
48 posted on 01/28/2003 11:16:55 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: Pokey78; JohnHuang2; MeeknMing
How can I best say it?

How does:
THANK GOD FOR MARK STEYN!
sound?

49 posted on 01/28/2003 11:22:03 AM PST by Brian Allen (This above all; to thine own self be true)
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To: Pokey78

50 posted on 01/28/2003 11:22:50 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (9 out of 10 Republicans agree: Bush IS a Genius !!)
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To: HumanaeVitae
<< Cable225

I tip 20% minimum. Waiters bust their a$$es and take cr@p out the yang from jerks... >>

Good onyah!

Me too.
51 posted on 01/28/2003 11:23:21 AM PST by Brian Allen (This above all; to thine own self be true)
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To: arthurus
Physiologically a woman is in better condition to have a baby at 17 than at 30 or even 25. As I said before, I bet you harumph a lot.

Only when I encounter foolishness.

Harumph.

52 posted on 01/28/2003 11:23:25 AM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b
I think that Steyn is not so much advising his gentle reader to reward the woman for getting pregnant at 17 ~~ The "crank 'em out for the Fatherland" ideology of the preceding paragraphs indicates otherwise.

I suppose that's one way to read Steyn's piece. A strangely Statist idea of Steyn's intent, but I suppose if that's the way you read it...

Personally, I read Steyn as saying that Western Civilization -- the font of individual liberty and the rule of law -- is killing itself off, and he thinks that's a bad thing. It would be "enough", demographically speaking, if we as a culture simply refused to Murder the infants whom we are already conceiving -- not that more conceptions in the aggregate "must" be encouraged.

53 posted on 01/28/2003 11:36:45 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Personally, I read Steyn as saying that Western Civilization -- the font of individual liberty and the rule of law -- is killing itself off, and he thinks that's a bad thing.

What a simpleton you are to actually read an article to get the main point.

54 posted on 01/28/2003 11:51:34 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
but it shoulda been addressed to "steve-b".

Woops! My bad!

55 posted on 01/28/2003 11:58:42 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Brian Allen
When feminists talk about "women's reproductive rights," they mean the right of women not to reproduce.

Thankfully they have decimated their own cause.

They personify the liberal death wish!!!
56 posted on 01/28/2003 11:59:42 AM PST by victim soul
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To: Brian Allen
I, too, tip 20% as a rule. Diffident service rates only 15%. Poor service rates 10%. If the service is so bad that 10% is too much, I get up and leave before the meal is served.

Waiting tables is hard work. When I get bad service, I tend to assume that the waiter or waitress in question is simply overworked and not able to give all his/her customers their full attention -- which is generally the case. Most chain/fast-food restaurants are understaffed in order to save money; understaffing insures lower labor costs, since fewer workers are on the payroll. Understaffing also guarantees high employee turnover rates, thus getting rid of higher-paid senior staff in favor of low-paid new employees. Restaurant workers are easily replaced, employers find it more attractive to hire and fire them rather than to promote people from within and raise their wages -- and, since they get paid the same (low) base wage no matter how hard they work, there is no incentive (other than tipping) for your average waiter or waitress to work harder. Thus most restaurant workers (sensibly) do the bare minimum required to maintain their jobs.

These problems are intrinsic to all service-industry jobs. The fast food/chain business model is dependent upon low-wage, easily-replaceable workers to keep prices low. Tipping encourages good waiters and waitresses to work harder; stiffing them for poor service just encourages them to care less.

The solution to the Bad Service problem is not in being niggardly with the tips.The solution is to turn away from chain/mall/freeway restaurants with their armies of low-paid interchangeable workers and eat at family-run/owned neighborhood joints where Mom and Dad do the cooking and the Kids serve and clean up. The food (and service) tend to be better in a place where the cooks and staff have a personal stake in the business' success.

57 posted on 01/28/2003 12:04:57 PM PST by B-Chan (It Can Happen Here! Does your family have an Emergency Kit? www.fema.gov)
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To: Nonstatist
No harm done.
58 posted on 01/28/2003 12:05:33 PM PST by B-Chan (It Can Happen Here! Does your family have an Emergency Kit? www.fema.gov)
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To: Brian Allen
It's got to be truly dreadful service for me to leave less than 20%. Having been a waitress myself, I know the difference between a busy section and a lazy waiter.
59 posted on 01/28/2003 12:07:22 PM PST by nina0113
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To: victim soul
Mark Steyn BUMP!
60 posted on 01/28/2003 12:10:57 PM PST by EternalVigilance (abort NARAL!)
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