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America was great because America was good: Joan Veon observes Bush's actions
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, January 28, 2003 | Joan Veon

Posted on 01/28/2003 4:34:51 AM PST by JohnHuang2

DAVOS, Switzerland – We all know the story of Alexis de Tocqueville who came to America to see what made America great. After exploring all of America's institutions, he finally concluded that America was great because America was good and if she ceased to be good, she would cease to be great.

Here at the 33rd World Economic Forum in Davos, the mood is prevailingly solemn – quite unusual for a group of the world's most powerful businessmen and world leaders. I remember several years ago hearing the CEOs declare how great business was and how the IT revolution was just beginning. In their unbridled arrogance, they could do it all and they had all the answers – that is, until the Nasdaq crash and the unexpected Sept. 11, which was followed by the crash of Enron and WorldCom.

Because the objective of the forum is to give CEOs and world leaders an overall picture of the "state of the world," the major themes centered on the global economy, public-private partnerships, the changing role of business, security, terrorism and America's war with Iraq. In addition, they discussed something a civilized world should never have to discuss: trust and values.

There was complete agreement that the state of the world is very fragile. While the global economic downturn is of concern, the greater concern is over what they perceive as America's loss of values and eroding constitutional freedoms. In this regard, there are more Muslims participating and voicing their opinions than before. Both participants and speakers shared their concerns which were disturbing to me for they see America as having lost her way. It would not be so bad if the white Anglo-Saxon internationalists did not agree with them. There is a majority forming as to our treatment of Muslims and our saber rattling against Iraq. Furthermore, the actions of the Bush administration are sending a great deal of fear into the world.

Now let me tell you some of the things that are being said. We will begin with Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir who said that the United States needs to find out why the terrorists are mad so that we can help them. He used the Palestinian problem as an example. He said, "Israel was created by expelling Palestinians from their land. Every time they fought back, they lost more land. Since they are not able to use conventional forms of attack, they have turned to unconventional attacks." Mahathir concluded by saying fear rules the world.

This was followed by Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, who asserted that basic fundamental human rights of Muslims in America were being violated. He said there is radical distrust as a result of how America has dealt with 9-11: arresting people without trial, torture at U.S. airbases and how prisoners are being treated at Guantanamo Bay.

I interviewed former Australian Foreign Minister Garth Evans, who is now chairman of International Crisisgroup – an independent and international non-profit organization whose goal is to prevent deadly conflict. He said that what the U.S. has done has led to negative reverberations of stereotyping and overkill. While he decries America's go-it-alone approach – as do many other globalists – he said that we still need better evidence as to why we are going to war. I think what hit home is when he said that everyone depends on the U.S. to get it right and that there is great concern when the U.S. is wrong and that the administration was inflaming terrorist sentiment.

Then there was the workshop on "U.S. Omnipotence: What Lies Ahead?" Amre Moussa, secretary-general of the League of Arab States in Cairo, said that we must guard against reshaping the region when the U.S. does not have the consent of the people to do so. He called our actions "arrogant." Grigory Yavlinsky who is a member of the Russian Duma said that terrorism is a new situation for us and that we must avoid war.

However, an American – Lewis Lapham, editor of Harper's Magazine in the U.S. and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations – also lashed out at the Bush administration when he said, "Is the U.S. changing from a democracy to an autocratic empire?" He then went on to state how our country is being changed through the Patriot Act, the reformulation of the FBI and the right to tap phones and mail.

Lastly, the gentlemen who received the applause in this workshop pointed out two concerns: (1) Was America being honest to its own basic principles and founding values as seen in the Declaration which now appears to be hijacked and (2) There is danger with the U.S. going to the U.N. and then saying, "If I don't like what you say, I will do it anyway."

While I could tell you of the pat responses of Congressman Portman, R-Ohio, and of Attorney General John Ashcroft, however, there is growing concern that America is going one way while the world goes in another direction.

While I don't agree with the need for a new paradigm and a new mindset that says the world is one and we all need to be in lockstep, what can I say when the average American is now guilty until proven innocent?

Now, the government has the right to tap our phones without notice. If this were not so bad, retired Adm. John Poindexter is heading up a new department which will consolidate all of the data available about us – credit cards, what we buy in the grocery story, our driving records, airline tickets, tax records, hotel records, etc. to profile us. Americans have no privacy any longer and their freedoms are diminishing while the U.S. Senate will debate this year if they should set up what the British have – a civilian intelligence unit (MI5). People who question if America is still great have ample reason.




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Tuesday, January 28, 2003

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1 posted on 01/28/2003 4:34:51 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
The only problem with this piece is that Tocqueville never said the quote the author attributes to him.

http://www.tocqueville.org/pitney.htm
2 posted on 01/28/2003 4:47:01 AM PST by JohnGalt
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To: JohnHuang2
This was followed by Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, who asserted that basic fundamental human rights of Muslims in America were being violated. He said there is radical distrust as a result of how America has dealt with 9-11: arresting people without trial, torture at U.S. airbases and how prisoners are being treated at Guantanamo Bay.

When "progresive" NGO's get cited, there is an agenda. When said NGO starts crying about treatment of muslims (small "m" until they start flushing out the "klansmen" among them) in America, then we slop over from agenda to propaganda. Now we have U.S. airbases cast in the role of Inquisitional chambers? Doubtless there's no intentional agitation in that kind of assertion!

I guess we just all need to get along (and go along) with Allah, Mohammed and the current prophets (as easily spelled "profits") in this brave new world, otherwise everyone else will think we're just plain mean. Well, to be honest, I am getting more and more mean each day I have to read how America needs to capitulate to her international/financial/Islamic betters.

3 posted on 01/28/2003 4:50:06 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: backhoe; madfly; Stand Watch Listen; brityank; OldFriend; Grampa Dave; editor-surveyor; ...
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4 posted on 01/29/2003 3:28:47 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe (God Armeth The Patriot)
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To: JohnGalt
Thanks for correcting the record.
5 posted on 01/29/2003 3:32:26 PM PST by snopercod
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To: JohnHuang2
"He who has foolish enemies possesses the Mandate of Heaven."

President Bush is amptly blessed with his foolish enemies here and around the world!

6 posted on 01/29/2003 3:35:42 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: JohnHuang2
Kinda' depends upon you definition of "the good", no?

Religionists have had a monopoly on morality for the last several thousand years, which is why we have all these wars based on "my God is better than your god".

Maybe someday we will arrive at a morality based upon the necessities of man's life on earth.

7 posted on 01/29/2003 3:36:52 PM PST by snopercod
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To: Grampa Dave
Thank God that the US is going in an opposite direction from most of the world. I wouldn't have it any other way. Notice how the author refused to detail the speaches of Ashcroft and others who defended our great country.
8 posted on 01/29/2003 3:40:02 PM PST by CdMGuy
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To: snopercod
Maybe someday we will arrive at a morality based upon the necessities of man's life on earth.

Such a hope is one which is founded on sinking sand...utopian dreams which have proven futile again and again throughout history.

America's foundations are rooted in something far more firm.

9 posted on 01/29/2003 3:46:34 PM PST by EternalVigilance (abort NARAL!)
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To: CdMGuy
When I saw that part of his article, I stopped reading it.

We are on a huge change in our world re power, politics and focus on the future. The socialists appear to be losing it around a large part of the world.
10 posted on 01/29/2003 3:48:24 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Ooops her article.
11 posted on 01/29/2003 3:48:58 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: JohnHuang2
"...there is growing concern that America is going one way while the world goes in another direction."

The price of leadership.

Sometimes, the timid and ignorant don't want to follow. In which case, history is best served by their getting out of the way...

12 posted on 01/29/2003 3:49:23 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: JohnGalt
The only problem with this piece is that Tocqueville never said the quote the author attributes to him.
I wouldn't say that was the only problem with this very problematic article... but thanks for pointing this out. I just read Democracy in America and I don't remember seeing this anywhere. I do recall that de Tocqueville believed that a product of American democracy was goodness.

Another starter for complaint with this article is Lewis Lapham. Although he took an 8-year sabatical during the Clinton years, he's been hating America his entire career. With Clinton he was merely cynical. With Reagan, Bush & Bush, he's downright treasonous.

13 posted on 01/29/2003 5:21:59 PM PST by nicollo
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To: JohnHuang2
This must be in the dem talking points. Heard it mentioned several times in the past few days. Glad to know deTocquville is misquoted.
14 posted on 01/29/2003 6:24:55 PM PST by OldFriend (SUPPORT PRESIDENT BUSH)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Thanks for the post and the ping!

This woman is a doofus...

15 posted on 01/29/2003 6:46:38 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (Democrats ARE an evil terrorist organization!)
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To: Grampa Dave
"He who has foolish enemies possesses the Mandate of Heaven."

Nice quote, Gramps.

16 posted on 01/29/2003 6:48:14 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (Democrats ARE an evil terrorist organization!)
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To: JohnGalt
Yogi didn't say a lot of the things he said,either. The statement happens to be true.
17 posted on 01/29/2003 6:56:25 PM PST by 185JHP (Was "Tuco" right? "If you're going to shoot...")
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To: okie01
"Sometimes, the timid and ignorant don't want to follow. In which case, history is best served by their getting out of the way..."

As did the German people in Hitler's era.


18 posted on 01/29/2003 7:31:38 PM PST by Spirited
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To: Spirited
"As did the German people in Hitler's era."

Not to mention Neville Chamberlain, Maurice Daladier and their cabinets, et al.

19 posted on 01/29/2003 7:42:15 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: JohnHuang2
The islamists blow up the WTC, and the Pentagon, the elitists in Davos proclaim: Muslims good, America bad. America frees the Afghans from terrorism, and wants to do the same to the Iraqis, the elitists in Davos proclaim: America has lost it's way. France, and germany opposes the USA from liberating the Iraqis from saddam's cruelty, france, and germany have found the right way. What is the world coming to?
20 posted on 01/29/2003 8:24:39 PM PST by desertcry
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