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All Dolled Up -'Bare truth' Disturbing: Girls Fixated on Body Image
South Bend (Ind.) Tribune ^ | January 26, 2003 | JULIE YORK COPPENS

Posted on 01/27/2003 8:34:53 AM PST by 68skylark

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To: newgeezer
Yet another case of selling sex while hiding behind the "Isn't this simply disgusting?!!" disguise.

The ole "It's art" or "It's for research" excuses are still working.

41 posted on 01/27/2003 9:47:25 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: 68skylark
When I was in college fifteen years ago, the toilets in our sorority house backed up on a regular basis because of all the purging going on around the house. One group of girls would compete to see which one could go the longest without eating. When my mother was in highschool, almost forty-five years ago, she and her friends would eat only celery for days at a time to avoid gaining weight. When my grandmother was a young woman, about sixty-five years ago, she starved herself during pregnancy for fear of getting too fat. Her mother before her suffered fainting spells because she insisted that her corset maintain a thirteen inch waist. I went to my three-year old neice's birthday party yesterday, and her favorite gift was a Barbie doll. Girls and young women want to be the most desired creature on the block -- and that's not fat and ugly. You can't change ugly, but you can change fat.
42 posted on 01/27/2003 9:47:35 AM PST by geaux
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To: Constantine XIII
serions are the only particles that can penetrate aluminum foil
43 posted on 01/27/2003 9:51:17 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: biblewonk
You said what I was thinking -- is anyone going to arrest this photographer for child porn? After all, she's got pictures of underage girls in their underwear...
44 posted on 01/27/2003 9:52:11 AM PST by geaux
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To: geaux
The author of this piece seems to assume that things were different and better in the past. I think your comment helps debunk that assumption.

For the most part, I think human nature doesn't change much over the generations. So I'm suspicious when people assume the past was better.

45 posted on 01/27/2003 9:55:13 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
serions?

Pardon my spelling error -- I'm sure this example isn't my only one today.

46 posted on 01/27/2003 9:57:36 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: RonF
Here's my solution. Don't buy the clothes. Don't buy the makeup. Don't buy the CD's. Don't take her to those movies. Don't buy the magazines. Don't let her watch those TV shows.

That's only part of the solution. Once she's away from your house she may still have the desire to immerse herself in this sub-culture.

This problem is a problem of the heart. Restricting what we see on TV or in advertisements seems like a really simple thing to do but it doesn't address the issues beneath the surface: these girls have no sense of self worth, and it's usually because they have no father figure in their life to help them feel good about themselves. Mothers can only do so much to complete the picture for a girl when she is growing up. Girls need the love and acceptance from fathers to keep out of this kind of trouble.

47 posted on 01/27/2003 9:59:00 AM PST by webstersII
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To: RonF
"Here's my solution. Don't buy the clothes. Don't buy the makeup. Don't buy the CD's. Don't take her to those movies. Don't buy the magazines. Don't let her watch those TV shows. Sure, she'll see it, but that doesn't mean that you have to give it your stamp of approval or have it around her in your home. Tell your daughter you don't want her wearing that stuff because you don't want her going to school looking like a whore. Encourge her to engage in activities like band, chorus, athletics, Girl Scouts ...

Anyone watch the show, "Eight simple rules for dating my daughter"? ... the title implies that he's trying to figure out how to control boys around his daughter. What he really needs to do is control his daughter. have "

RonF, you make some really good points, but the best is perhaps your exhortation to worry less about the boys and more about your daughter. Several points are very important here:

(1) Your daughter has to choose to not make the mistakes and bad choices that we dads fear so much.

(2) Part of your daughter's motivation for her choices is not only fear (of AIDS or STDs) or training or education but a conscious decision to please her parents in spite of the pressures from the outside world. Yes, she will be curious about sex and perhaps imagine herself doing it with another boy. But what counts is her decisions at the crucial moments -- does she date the boy that is paying her lots of attention even thouth everyone warns her that his trophy case is full of names of her classmates? Does she go to the party that is unchaperoned?

A girl makes these decisions in part based on her relationship with her parents. This is an incredibly important point.

(3) Don't give your teenage daughter too many "don'ts" but do your best to train her to make the right decisions.

For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, try reading John Rosemond's book "Teenproofing your Home." John teaches discipline the way that Grandma used to discipline. No mushy-headed psychology from his lips or his pen. Pure common sense, with a foundation in the Bible.

Lastly, RonF, although you were joking about the "8 Rules" you are absolutely right that part of a Dad's challenge is to instill fear in the boy that is dating the daughter. Some of the best techniques are:

(1) Telling the boy that the family is "very close," meaning that any attempts to get inside her blouse or pants will be known the next morning at the breakfast table.

(2) Letting the boy meet your son, who hopefully outweighs the boy by 50 pounds. Add this visage to the "very close" statement.

(3) Doing nonverbal things like shaking his hand incredibly hard upon entering the house.

(4) Showing the boy who is in charge by sending him home if he is dressed poorly and telling him that if the girl is one minute late you will hold him responsible.

Robert Wolgemuth tells the hilarious story about his 16-year old daughter's first date. The boy comes over, visibly nervous because the girl had warned him about her dad. But dad only takes the boy into his office and they chat about sports, cars, etc., until dad asks the boy what is most important to him. The boy replies, "My car!" and then continues telling the dad how lovingly he maintains and cares for the vehicle, and how proud he is of it. The boy clearly does not see the trap he is making for himself.

Then Wolgemuth asks him, "You know, my car broke down today. May I borrow your car when you're done tonight?" The boy looks at him, and then stammers, "Sir, I can't do that. That car is very important to me and I've just never let anyone else take care of it."

Now Wolgemuth looks at the boy like a hound smacking his lips at a treed fox. He replies, "Young man, you come here wanting to date my daughter. I can confirm to you that I love her far more than you will ever love you car. And, young man, you are borrowing her for the night! So I am making a far greater concession in letting you date her, than you would ever make in loaning me your car!"

Of course, the boy's mouth drops and his complexion turns a shade lighter than white. Wolgemuth looks at him as firmly as he can, and says, "So you'd better appreciate my decision to let you date her, and I darn well expect you to take better care of her than you take care of your car." The boy stands up to leave. Wolgemuth's final words are, "And don't mar the finish!"

The warning worked. Wolgemuth's daugther dated the boy for several months, and it was after 4 months that he finally asked her, "What did you dad mean by 'don't mar the finish'? "

Just my thoughts. Good luck to all you dads out there agonizing how to handle this very important phase of your parenthood.

48 posted on 01/27/2003 9:59:21 AM PST by tom h
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To: expatpat
I wonder how much of this 'psychosis' is the result of a hatred of women's bodies by homosexuals in the clothes/cosmetics industry.

I'm so glad you brought this point up. Homosexuals for the most part are the driving force behind the fashion/beauty industry. I have maintained for quite a while that they are purposefully making women less feminine. The very, very thin bodies. Breasts and hips are "out". Scraggly hair, usually cut short and make-up that looks like it should be in a horror film.

They (the homosexuals) want to look prettier than real women.

49 posted on 01/27/2003 9:59:25 AM PST by Vicki (Truth and Reality)
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To: 68skylark
You can always tell someone is anorexic by their appearance. Not all anorexics look like the extreme cases shown on talk shows, etc. Some anorexics may be anywhere from 5 to 15 lbs. underweight. They look thin, but they do not have what society considers to be the "anorexic" look. Just because someone does not look emaciated, does not mean they are not anorexic or that their health is not in danger.

http://www.mirror-mirror.org/myths.htm

Don't let your eyes fool you. It is one of the most common myths that all anorexics are extemely thin. It is not about actual body appearance it is a personal body image and the dangerous behavior that accompanies a distorted image of yourself.

50 posted on 01/27/2003 10:00:44 AM PST by underthesun
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To: Vicki
Homosexuals for the most part are the driving force behind the fashion/beauty industry. I have maintained for quite a while that they are purposefully making women less feminine. The very, very thin bodies. Breasts and hips are "out". Scraggly hair, usually cut short and make-up that looks like it should be in a horror film. They (the homosexuals) want to look prettier than real women.

Uhh...no.

51 posted on 01/27/2003 10:02:46 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: Billthedrill; 68skylark
To be honest, I can't think of a single aspect of life that isn't better for me at 50 than at 16

"I could be happy my whole life, knowing I will never have to live through junior high school again." - Mavis Leno (roughly, I don't have the exact quote in front of me)

52 posted on 01/27/2003 10:03:11 AM PST by laurav
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To: isthisnickcool
Moo.
53 posted on 01/27/2003 10:04:50 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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To: jjm2111; Vicki
Homosexuals for the most part are the driving force behind the fashion/beauty industry. I have maintained for quite a while that they are purposefully making women less feminine. The very, very thin bodies. Breasts and hips are "out". Scraggly hair, usually cut short and make-up that looks like it should be in a horror film. They (the homosexuals) want to look prettier than real women.

Uhh...no.

what do you mean no? Okay, the women cooperate, but not all of us do. Believe me, fashions right now are not made for more endowed figures.
54 posted on 01/27/2003 10:05:24 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: 68skylark
Well when I look around my town I see a hundred people who look dangerously overweight for every one who looks dangerously underweight. So it will take quite a lot of "studies" and statistics to convince me that my eyes are deceiving me, and that anorexia and bulimia are more of a problem than obesity. Am I wrong?

No you are right. The difference is that a person can go through life for quite a few years being chubby and gaining weight. The effects aren't quite so immediate, there is time for a girl to figure out how to fix this. Whereas with anorexia and bulimia the health effects are quickly deadly. And we must intervene ASAP because there isn't time to sort it all out later.

55 posted on 01/27/2003 10:07:40 AM PST by Dianna
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To: Vicki
They (the homosexuals) want to look prettier than real women.

Now here's an odd situation for me -- I don't think I've ever had anything good to say about male homosexual culture. But they can hardly be blamed or credited for fashion trends -- women choose where to get their hair done, what clothes to buy, what magazines and movies to see, what to eat, how much to exercise, etc. If any group of people were putting out messages that women didn't choose to embrace, they'd be finished in the fashion world in a heartbeat. Am I wrong?

56 posted on 01/27/2003 10:08:25 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: dubyaismypresident
See, more proof that Liposuction and Saline implants can save lives......
57 posted on 01/27/2003 10:10:02 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: 68skylark
But they can hardly be blamed or credited for fashion trends -- women choose where to get their hair done, what clothes to buy, what magazines and movies to see, what to eat, how much to exercise, etc.

Women don't choose anything - it's all done by committee. Trust me.
58 posted on 01/27/2003 10:10:41 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: 68skylark
If you really want to be shocked, start looking at sites run by and for so called "Ana's". Ana is the term they prefer to use for Anorexics. And they don't feel Anorexia is an ilness, they believe it's a lifestyle choice. They are full of tips on how to purge, and often have galleries where Ana's can show their bodies.

Most ISP's and hosts will take down the sites as soon as they get a complaint, but they just pop-up somewhere else.
59 posted on 01/27/2003 10:13:13 AM PST by sharktrager
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To: hobbes1
See, more proof that Liposuction and Saline implants can save lives......

Blessed be the plastic surgeons they really do save lives.

60 posted on 01/27/2003 10:14:39 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Germany and France = the Axis of Weasel)
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