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1 posted on 01/23/2003 9:52:18 AM PST by gubamyster
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**Davis' office issued a press release yesterday boasting that California was "the most pro-choice state in America." **

That's nothing to be proud of...

2 posted on 01/23/2003 9:54:14 AM PST by homeschool mama
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BTTT!
3 posted on 01/23/2003 9:54:43 AM PST by wideawake
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God Bless the good Bishops that defend the faith. Maybe with a return to the faith they can erase the stain of Cardinal Law.
5 posted on 01/23/2003 9:55:22 AM PST by WilliamWallace1999
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Bump
6 posted on 01/23/2003 9:55:39 AM PST by wideawake
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I was there. The church erupted in applause when Weigand mentioned Kavanaugh's efforts, and then more applause 3 more times throughout the homily.

It made my day.
7 posted on 01/23/2003 9:56:01 AM PST by ElkGroveDan
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Spokesman Russ Lopez deflected the challenge from the bishop and criticized Weigand for "telling the faithful how to practice their faith."

There are no words . . .

10 posted on 01/23/2003 9:56:56 AM PST by wideawake
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Thanks for posting this article. It is too bad that the bishop did not make this challenge BEFORE the November election...duuhhhhh
11 posted on 01/23/2003 9:57:19 AM PST by kellynla (Once a Marine...house hunting in NV)
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SacBee Article:

Bishop challenges Davis on abortion

13 posted on 01/23/2003 9:58:46 AM PST by gubamyster
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"Spokesman Russ Lopez deflected the challenge from the bishop and criticized Weigand for "telling the faithful how to practice their faith." He then predicted Weigand's comments would alienate California Catholics."

 

Even Protestants who never attended a single moment of catechism class know that Catholic Bishops kinda, sorta have the authority to "tell the faithful" what the rules for Catholics might be, including most particularly how to "practice their faith".

Looks like Mr. Lopez missed class the day they covered the part about the bishops' position in the church.

14 posted on 01/23/2003 10:00:58 AM PST by muawiyah
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They are gonna have to cleanse the Clergy before they can have any credibility in cleansing the Laity.

So9

16 posted on 01/23/2003 10:01:12 AM PST by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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Bump for a ballsy bishop. Good man!
20 posted on 01/23/2003 10:08:56 AM PST by Flashman_at_the_charge
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"Such a person should have the integrity to acknowledge this and choose of his own volition to abstain from receiving Holy Communion until he has a change of heart."

I respect that. It's darned well about time.

But here's the problem:

As WorldNetDaily reported, the doctrine lacks enforcement; politicians who take heretical positions aren't penalized and, more often, are supported by Catholic leaders. Specifically, the Catholic vote is viewed to have helped incumbent Davis eek out a win over his Catholic, pro-life opponent Bill Simon in last year's election.

If you're pro-abort, you're already clearly NOT a person of good conscience. The RCC will have to impose this on those people, and not wait for their voluntary compliance. They will have to pay a price.

Dan

22 posted on 01/23/2003 10:10:07 AM PST by BibChr
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No problem for Davis. As he sold his sould to Satan long ago, his public religious observations were just for public relations. He will simply stop taking communion or go to a church with a pedophile priest and get anything he wants.
24 posted on 01/23/2003 10:12:57 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave!)
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"There are a lot of Catholics who are pro-choice. Does the bishop want all Catholics to stop receiving Holy Communion?" he asked. "Who's going to be left in church?"

He obviously misses the point ... the governor is a public figure whose words and actions carry meaning. As a catholic, he should stand up for faith based values.

25 posted on 01/23/2003 10:16:22 AM PST by NYer
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"There are a lot of Catholics who are pro-choice. Does the bishop want all Catholics to stop receiving Holy Communion?" he asked. "Who's going to be left in church?"

I'm neither Catholic nor a genius, but I"ll take a stab at this one: the ones left will be the truly faithful.

26 posted on 01/23/2003 10:18:01 AM PST by Ignatz
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"As your bishop, I have to say clearly that anyone – politician or otherwise – who thinks it is acceptable for a Catholic to be pro-abortion is in very great error, puts his or her soul at risk, and is not in good standing with the church," Weigand said. "Such a person should have the integrity to acknowledge this and choose of his own volition to abstain from receiving Holy Communion until he has a change of heart."

The pope's letter has started something big. An earthquake may soon rumble through the ranks of bishops. We will know them by their silence.

30 posted on 01/23/2003 10:24:36 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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The Associated Press reports that Kerry has rejected the Vatican's new guidelines.

Governor Davis is reportedly not backing down either. Spokesman Russ Lopez deflected the challenge from the bishop and criticized Weigand for "telling the faithful how to practice their faith." He then predicted Weigand's comments would alienate California Catholics.

Since when does any Catholic, even an elected Senator, have the right to reject a teaching of the church?

Also, these guidelines aren't "NEW", they are simply being reiterated.

And Davis' spokesman! Criticizing the Bishop for "telling the faithful how to practice their faith". Isn't that the role of ANY church or religion? It is not up to us to decide, based on our ill-formed conscience, what is right and wrong -- there are things that ARE right and wrong, and as Catholics we are obligated to adhere to the teachings of the church or stop calling ourselves Catholic. This isn't an "anything goes as long as you think it's right" religion, or a religion of personal interpretation!

This Lopez (and Davis) are right in line with the New Age movement -- if it feels good, it must be right.

I attending the pro-life Mass with Bishop Weigand. He was right on. And he was faithful not only to the church, but to the sheep. He asked that we all pray, right then, for the soul of Governor Davis and that he have a change of heart.

God is forgiving, He will welcome anyone back into the fold, prodigal son or lost sheep.

31 posted on 01/23/2003 10:24:48 AM PST by Gophack
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Every such 'warning' should be accompanied by a copy of the episcopal letter to the Pope requesting scrutiny in contemplation of excommunication.
34 posted on 01/23/2003 10:27:46 AM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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The Catholic Church's stance on Abortion has continued to make me more and more pro-Catholic. While many of the main-line Protestant churches continue to concern me greatly.
35 posted on 01/23/2003 10:31:48 AM PST by Glock19C
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