Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Church's sign has Muslims outraged -''Jesus Forbade Murder. Muhammad Approved Murder. Surah 8:65.''
accessatlanta. ^

Posted on 01/17/2003 6:11:48 AM PST by chance33_98



Church's sign has Muslims outraged

Florida pastor says criticism of Islam is legal and fair

Associated Press Friday, January 17, 2003

Jacksonville --- The Council on American-Islamic Relations-Florida is calling on state religious leaders to repudiate a Jacksonville Baptist church's roadside sign the group claims is anti-Muslim.

The sign outside the First Conservative Baptist Church in Jacksonville's Mandarin area reads: ''Jesus Forbade Murder. Matthew 26:52. Muhammad Approved Murder. Surah 8:65.''

Altaf Ali, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations-Florida, said his organization attempted to talk with the Baptist church's officials about the sign, but were rebuffed with belligerent language.

''All Americans must band together to condemn hate speech designed to divide our nation along religious and ethnic lines,'' Ali said. ''Any attempt to marginalize or vilify one religious community is an attack on all people of faith.''

The church's pastor, the Rev. Gene Youngblood, who also leads the Conservative Theological Society and Conservative Christian Academy, said he has been using the marquee-type sign to express the church's opinion for 15 years and has no plans to remove the message.

''First and foremost, are we not entitled to freedom of speech?'' Youngblood said.

Youngblood, who said he is an expert on world religions, said he had been threatened and his property vandalized. He said he has filed 13 police reports since July.

Youngblood said his church would issue a formal statement later.

Iman Zaid Malik, spiritual leader of the Islamic Center of Northeast Florida, said some Christian friends brought the offensive sign to his attention.

''Misinformation must be rejected by all people of conscience,'' Malik said. ''This shows that the vast majority of Americans reject hate and seek a society where good overcomes the evil.''

Malik said the Quran verse indicates that those who believe and are steadfast in battle will overcome much larger armies. It is not an endorsement of murder, he said.

The verse reads: ''O Prophet [Muhammad]! Inspire the believers to conquer all fear of death when fighting, [so that] if there be twenty of you who are patient in adversity, they might overcome two hundred; and if there be one hundred of you, they might overcome one-thousand of those bent on denying the truth, because they are people who cannot grasp it.''

The Council on American-Islamic Relations said the Quran also states, ''whoever murders a person . . . it will be as if he killed all mankind, and whoever saves a life, shall be regarded as if he saved all mankind.''

ON THE WEB: Council on American-Islamic Relations-Florida: www.cair-florida.org

First Conservative Baptist Church: www.conservative.edu/main.htm


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS:
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140 ... 381-394 next last
To: Hodar
Find any singe phrase in the OT or NT that orders one to kill the non-christians, or christians that have lost faith.
101 posted on 01/17/2003 8:21:59 AM PST by Dead Dog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Dead Dog
Read my other posts, and try to calm down.
102 posted on 01/17/2003 8:22:34 AM PST by HarryDunne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 96 | View Replies]

To: Hodar
Maybe you should re-read your first post. You said:

The bible has more than one reference to genocide, in which a race was obliterated with God's blessing.

We just want an example.

103 posted on 01/17/2003 8:23:58 AM PST by daniel boob (are we alone?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: secretagent
http://www.usc.edu
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/koran.html
http://www.princeton.edu/~humcomp/qurans.html
http://www.soundvision.com/Info/quran/english.asp

nuff said.
104 posted on 01/17/2003 8:24:09 AM PST by DeathfromBelow
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: McNoggin
BTW, not to nit-pick too much, but you might want to actually get your cites directly from the Bible. Otherwise, you end up looking like an idiot or worse, somebody who intentionally misquotes scripture for his own God hating ends.

http://bible.gospelcom.net
http://blueletterbible.org
105 posted on 01/17/2003 8:25:03 AM PST by CCWoody
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: McNoggin
FYI, Arabic numbers come from India.
106 posted on 01/17/2003 8:25:45 AM PST by jpsb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: daniel boob
We just want an example

Old Testament, say 'Hi' to any Amelekites you should meet.

107 posted on 01/17/2003 8:27:01 AM PST by Hodar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 103 | View Replies]

To: Hodar
I think that the point of the sign is not to just pull a verse that looks bad and put it on display. I think the point of the billboard, and the point of many on this forum, is that there is a huge difference between Mohammed and Jesus. Jesus never preached any genocide, or crazy crap like Mohammed did, as far as I know. It isn't a matter of Bible or Koran quotes, it is a comparison between Jesus and Mohammed. The Florida church is expressing why they think Jesus is better than Mohammed based on the teachings of the two men.
108 posted on 01/17/2003 8:28:20 AM PST by Morrigan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Dave S
Its amazing how weak the faith of many on FR must be that they "cringe" at the idea that there is a competing faith out there.

That's because most people's faith resides in their heads, where it can be attacked and possibly won over with persuasive arguments, instead of in their hearts where it can never be conquered and for which one is ready to die for.

109 posted on 01/17/2003 8:29:07 AM PST by A2J
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 83 | View Replies]

To: Hodar; carolina rebel; AppyPappy
However, your single minded attack on me illustrates your inability to reason outside the confines of Christianity. ~ Hodar Woody.
110 posted on 01/17/2003 8:29:21 AM PST by CCWoody
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: AppyPappy
Well, then, we shouldn't complain when they smash a plane into a buidling then.

Or when McVeigh blows up the Federal building. Muhammad has been dead for over a thousand years. Individuals committed these crimes.

111 posted on 01/17/2003 8:29:56 AM PST by Dave S
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: chance33_98
"Jesus Forbade Murder. Matthew 26:52. Muhammad Approved Murder. Surah 8:65."

Ah, "HATE speech" - defined as telling the truth to those who do not want to hear or know the truth.

Stay vigilent, stay armed, and NEVER trust a muslim or a liberal (both are terrorists, they differ only in technique and weaponry.)

112 posted on 01/17/2003 8:30:17 AM PST by mil-vet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #113 Removed by Moderator

To: CCWoody
So, according to Hodar, people who talk about their religion are more fearsome that people who blow up airplanes and kill thousands.

People like Hodar scare me.

114 posted on 01/17/2003 8:31:02 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you can't beat 'em, beat 'em anyway)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 110 | View Replies]

To: DeathfromBelow
Thanks!
115 posted on 01/17/2003 8:32:18 AM PST by secretagent
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 104 | View Replies]

To: Hodar
The bible has more than one reference to genocide, in which a race was obliterated with God's blessing. If selected verses were taken out of context in the bible (murder, incest, genocide) and contrasted against 'good' verses in any other religon, Christianity would look bad.

The violent passages you refer to in the Old Testament, have been superceded by the doctrine of peace in the New Testament.

The peaceful pasages in the Quran were superceded by the later-written passages urging violence against unbelievers

116 posted on 01/17/2003 8:32:22 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (To see the ultimate evil, visit the Democrat Party)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Dave S
Never underestimate the power of the written and spoken word. Advertisers spend billions to influence people's behavior because it WORKS.
117 posted on 01/17/2003 8:32:30 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you can't beat 'em, beat 'em anyway)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 111 | View Replies]

To: FreeTally
Did you catch where he pretty much said all Germans in 1940 were Nazis?

Why is that so shocking? And I might clarify...that most German's living in Germany in the 1940's were Nazis or supported the Nazi Party, just as most Islamics support terrorism against Israel/America/capitalism/freedom.

Its not hard to imagine many on this thread holding a gun to a non-christian's heads and demanding they renounce their religion or die. FR seems to be full of the most un-christian christians I have ever seen.

First off...I never claimed to be Christian, so your blind judgement of me is unwarranted. Second off...most Christians I know have a pretty good idea and perspective of what good and evil is...obviously you don't. The pastor of the said church does, and is willing to stand up for what is good without worrying about appeasing or offending; kudos to him. Third off...we'll see how "christian" people are when their loved ones are seen jumping from a burning building, dying in a hijacked plane, suffering from radiation poisoning, or perhaps picking the scabs from smallpox sores. Appeasement is so much more attractive isn't it?

118 posted on 01/17/2003 8:32:48 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 91 | View Replies]

To: Dead Dog
Find any singe phrase in the OT or NT that orders one to kill the non-christians, or christians that have lost faith.

And would you do a patent search on mono-stable nucleotides? What does that have to do with anything? My point has been (sheesh .... 10th time?) is when anyone takes a single verse, and uses it out of context, it can be unfair. See post #62.

119 posted on 01/17/2003 8:33:01 AM PST by Hodar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 101 | View Replies]

To: Guillermo
Bill, you are taking the words of Allah's Prophet, Muhammed, May Peace be upon Him, way out of context here.

If you will but open your lying infidel eyes and see the truth of Q'ran, you will have everlasting peace. love and happiness. But Allah and the Prophet Muhammed, May Peace be Upon Him, are not cruel. Should you choose not to convert, Islam graciously offers you, as it has many hundreds of thousands of Christians in the Sudan, East Timor, Kosovo, Pakistan, and oh so many other places, the peace of Christian Martyrdom, and a place in Paradise as a slave of one of the Faithful.

120 posted on 01/17/2003 8:33:54 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140 ... 381-394 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson