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Vatican Calls Catholic Politicians Into Line
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| 16 January 2003
| Reuters
Posted on 01/16/2003 6:48:56 AM PST by Petronski
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To: Desdemona
Is this already posted? I searched for it but could not find.
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posted on
01/16/2003 7:38:17 AM PST
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Petronski
(I'm not always cranky.)
To: Petronski
Religion forum, but I think it's a different article.
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posted on
01/16/2003 7:39:09 AM PST
by
Desdemona
(Pitchers and Catchers report in 29 days. And it's snowing (whine))
Comment #23 Removed by Moderator
To: TonyRo76
Some bishops have been on the ball in the US: Archbishop Chaput in Denver was pretty clear in 2002 about pro-life candidates and whatnot, but the New Mexico folks backed down from saying Bill Richardson was pro-abortion.
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posted on
01/16/2003 7:50:53 AM PST
by
JohnnyZ
To: Petronski
I am sure this is going to straighten up Teddy. </sarcasm>
To: Petronski
"The Vatican told Catholic politicians on Thursday they must oppose laws on abortion, euthanasia and gay marriages and can not accept compromises"
So what's next?
The Seventh Day Adventists Church told their politicians on Thursday they must oppose blood banks and transfusions and can not accept compromises?
The Christian Scientist Mother Church told their politicians on Thursday they must oppose laws giving access to medical care because only prayer was appropriate and it can not accept compromises?
And late news from Rome,
"The Vatican told Catholic politicians on Thursday that war with Iraq was wrong and they must give Saddam a big wet kiss and can not accept compromises"?
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posted on
01/16/2003 7:58:24 AM PST
by
APBaer
To: APBaer
That conservative Catholic herself, Nancy Pelosi, must be shaking in her heels
To: Petronski
About time...30 years coming but it is way overdue...the Left Angeles Times buried the story on page four but there was no mention of anything other than the abortion issue...no same sex marriage or euthanasia...
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posted on
01/16/2003 8:18:02 AM PST
by
kellynla
(cradle Catholic)
To: Petronski
As a non-Catholic, my question is, what parts of "official Vatican pronouncements" are Catholics allowed to ignore? The Vatican's opposition to war in Iraq has already been noted. Are American Catholics free to follow their consciences on abortion but obey the Vatican on Iraq? Are they to follow their consciences on Iraq but avoid abortion?
To: Petronski
The Vatican told Catholic politicians on Thursday they must oppose laws on abortion, euthanasia and gay marriages and can not accept compromises on Church teachings when formulating policy or legislation. Hmmm .. Kennedy is about to be in a pickle perhaps ? Nahh ...
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posted on
01/16/2003 8:27:35 AM PST
by
Centurion2000
(Darth Crackerhead)
To: valkyrieanne
As a non-Catholic, my question is, what parts of "official Vatican pronouncements" are Catholics allowed to ignore?
We're not. The Iraq question is more a matter of the Vatican not being convinced completely there is a case for war and a request that all other avenues be exhausted before actually going to war.
The problem with this statement is that it lacks teeth. At the very least, public refusal to administer Communion to these politicians would have been a good idea.
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01/16/2003 8:28:28 AM PST
by
Desdemona
(Pitchers and Catchers report in 29 days. And it's snowing (whine))
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To: valkyrieanne
In theory, Catholics are supposed to heed all Vatican pronouncements on moral issues, although not all of these pronouncements - such as the pope's views on Iraq - have the force of official doctrine. In practice, people can pretty much do what they want. "Excommunication" is very rare and is usually reserved for individuals who either (1) are members of the clery, or who hold a teaching position in a Catholic educational institution, and (2) who publically and persistently disagree with a basic church doctrine or moral teaching. Church teaching on abortion is unambiguous, whereas the pope's views on Iraq would be evaluated in terms of the church's "just war" teaching, and there is a lot more wiggle room there. It is extremely unlikely that any Catholic would be excommunicated over disagreement with the pope over America's Iraq policy.
To: Petronski
This is GREAT....
Now if all priests would take the same hard position and relay in the sermon that same doctrine we may actually start to turn things around.
To: Petronski
My only concern is; doesn't the Catholic Church also oppose the Death Penalty? Will Liberal clergy use this same doctrine to go after conservative Catholics?
To: dfwgator
Of course, this probably will make it much tougher for Catholic politicians to get elected in this country, with the spectre of "divided loyalties" hanging over them like a sword of Damocles.Yeah, the Catholic Church (and the unborn) have gained so MUCH from the election of Daschle, Kennedy (any Kennedy), Cuomo, Moynihan, Kerry, Markey, Mikulski, Morella, and all those hundreds of other great Catholics.
To: madprof98
I'd lay a hefty bet right now you couldn't find
one currently pro-abortion elected official of either party in the heavily Catholic yet heavily pro-choice Northeast who would obey Church teaching if it threatened their power.
They'd choose excommunication and wallow in would surely be the laudits of their pro-abortion constituents for standing up to the "intolerant" Church.
To: Petronski
Teddy! Calling Teddy Kennedy! Come in Teddy!
To: Lady In Blue; Desdemona; Siobhan; NYer; Salvation; Aunt Polgara; Flying Circus
ping
To: Petronski
These pro-choice politicians have already ex-comminicated themselves.
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posted on
01/16/2003 2:08:03 PM PST
by
Claire Voyant
((visualize whirled peas))
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