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N. Korea SLAVE CAMP horror revealed
Msnbc.com ^ | 1/15/2003 | By Robert Windrem

Posted on 01/15/2003 8:48:32 PM PST by Gforce11

Death, terror in N. Korea gulag

A satellite image of the barracks and other facilities of Camp 22 at Haengyong in northeastern North Korea.

Jan. 15 -- NBC's Lisa Myers reports on the horrific accounts emerging from North Korea's prison labor camps.

By Robert Windrem MSNBC

Jan. 15 — In the far north of North Korea, in remote locations not far from the borders with China and Russia, a gulag not unlike the worst labor camps built by Mao and Stalin in the last century holds some 200,000 men, women and children accused of political crimes. A month-long investigation by NBC News, including interviews with former prisoners, guards and U.S. and South Korean officials, revealed the horrifying conditions these people must endure — conditions that shock even those North Koreans accustomed to the near-famine conditions of Kim Jong Il’s realm.

“IT’S ONE of the worst, if not the worst situation — human rights abuse situation — in the world today,” said Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., who held hearings on the camps last year. “There are very few places that could compete with the level of depravity, the harshness of this regime in North Korea toward its own people.” Satellite photos provided by DigitalGlobe confirm the existence of the camps, and interviews with those who have been there and with U.S. officials who study the North suggest Brownback’s assessment may be conservative. Among NBC News’ findings: At one camp, Camp 22 in Haengyong, some 50,000 prisoners toil each day in conditions that U.S. officials and former inmates say results in the death of 20 percent to 25 percent of the prison population every year. Products made by prison laborers may wind up on U.S. store shelves, having been “washed” first through Chinese companies that serve as intermediaries. Entire families, including grandchildren, are incarcerated for even the most bland political statements. Forced abortions are carried out on pregnant women so that another generation of political dissidents will be “eradicated.” Inmates are used as human guinea pigs for testing biological and chemical agents, according to both former inmates and U.S. officials.

• Day 1: Pyongyang's slave labor camps Day 2: U.S. weighs grim options with N. Korea Day 3: Is Uncle Sam still welcome in Seoul? Day 4: Refugees shed light on isolated North

• Day 1: Pyongyang's slave labor camps

• Day 2: U.S. weighs grim options with N. Korea

• Day 3: Is Uncle Sam still welcome in Seoul?

• Day 4: Refugees shed light on isolated North

Efforts by MSNBC.com to reach North Korean officials were unsuccessful. Messages left at the office of North Korea’s permanent representative to the United Nations went unanswered. Eung Soo Han, a press officer at South Korea’s U.N. consulate, said: “It is a very unfortunate situation, and our hearts go out to those who suffer. We hope North Korea will open up its country, and become more actively involved with the international community in order for the North Korean people to be lifted out of their difficult situation.”

LABOR, DEATH, ABUSE NBC’s investigation revealed that North Korea’s State Security Agency maintains a dozen political prisons and about 30 forced labor and labor education camps, mainly in remote areas. The worst are in the country’s far Northeast. Some of them are gargantuan: At least two of the camps, Haengyong and Huaong, are larger in area than the District of Columbia, with Huaong being three times the size of the U.S. capital district. Satellite photos provided by DigitalGlobe show several of the camps, including the notorious Haengyong, for the first time outside official circles. Plainly visible are acres upon acres of barracks, laid out in regimented military style. Surrounding each of them is 10-foot-high barbed-wire fencing along with land mines and man traps. There is even a battery of anti-aircraft guns to prevent a liberation by airborne troops.

Satellite image of the barracks at Haengyong.

Ahn Myong Chol, a guard at the camp (which is sometimes known as Hoeryong) from 1987 through 1994, examined the satellite photos of Camp 22 for NBC News. They were taken in April, eight years after he left. But he says little has changed. He was able to pick out the family quarters for prisoners, the work areas, the propaganda buildings. Looking at the imagery, Ahn noted what happened in each building: “This is the detention center,” he said. “If someone goes inside this building, in three months he will be dead or disabled for life. In this corner they decided about the executions, who to execute and whether to make it public. “This is the Kim Il Sung institute, a movie house for officers. Here is watchdog training. And guard training ground.” Pointing to another spot, he said: “This is the garbage pond where the two kids were killed when guard kicked them in pond.” Another satellite photo shows a coal mine at the Chungbong camp where prisoners are worked to exhaustion in a giant pit. “All of North Korea is a gulag,” said one senior U.S. official, noting that as many as 2 million people have died of starvation while Kim has amassed the world’s largest collection of Daffy Duck cartoons. “It’s just that these people [in the camps] are treated the worst. No one knows for sure how many people are in the camps, but 200,000 is consistent with our best guess. “We don’t have a breakdown, but there are large numbers of both women and children.”

BEYOND THE PALE It is the widespread jailing of political prisoners’ families that makes North Korea unique, according to human rights advocates.

SURVIVORS' TALES

Transcripts of terror • Soon Ok Lee • Kang Chol Hwan • Ahn Myong Chol

NBC News

Under a directive issued by Kim’s father, North Korea’s founder, Kim Il Sung, three generations of a dissident’s family can be jailed simply on the basis of a denunciation. NBC News interviewed two former prisoners and a former guard about conditions in the camps. The three spent their time at different camps. Their litany of camp brutalities is unmatched anywhere in the world, say human rights activists. “Listening to their stories, it’s horrific,” said David Hawk, a veteran human rights campaigner and a consultant for the U.S. Committee for Human Rights in North Korea. Hawk has interviewed many former prisoners in Seoul. “It’s hard to do more than one or two a day because they’re just so painful to hear: horrific mistreatment - all sorts of suffering, beatings to death, executions.”

Kang Chol-Hwan is now a journalist with Chosun Ilbo, South Korea’s most important newspaper. His recent book, “The Aquariums of Pyongyang,” is the first memoir of a North Korean political prisoner. For nearly a decade, he was imprisoned because his grandfather had made complimentary statements about Japanese capitalism. He was a 9-year-old when he arrived at the Yodok camp. His grandfather was never seen again, and prison conditions killed his father. “When I was 10 years old,” Kang recalled, “We were put to work digging clay and constructing a building. And there were dozens of kids, and while digging the ground, it collapsed. And they died. And the bodies were crushed flat. And they buried the kids secretly, without showing their parents, even though the parents came.” The system appears to draw no distinction between those accused of the crime and their family members. Soon Ok Lee, imprisoned for seven years at a camp near Kaechon in Pyungbuk province, described how the female relatives of male prisoners were treated.

“I was in prison from 1987 till January 1993,” she told NBC News in Seoul, where she now lives. ”[The women] were forced to abort their children. They put salty water into the pregnant women’s womb with a large syringe, in order to kill the baby even when the woman was 8 months or 9 months pregnant. “And then, from time to time there a living infant is delivered. And then if someone delivers a live infant, then the guards kick the bloody baby and kill it. And I saw an infant who was crying with pain. I have to express this in words, that I witnessed such an inhumane hell.”

TESTING ON HUMANS Soon also spoke about the use of prisoners as guinea pigs, which a senior U.S. official describes as “very plausible. We have heard similar reports.” “I saw so many poor victims,” she said. “Hundreds of people became victims of biochemical testing. I was imprisoned in 1987 and during the years of 1988 through ’93, when I was released, I saw the research supervisors — they were enjoying the effect of biochemical weapons, effective beyond their expectations — they were saying they were successful.” She tearfully described how in one instance about 50 inmates were taken to an auditorium and given a piece of boiled cabbage to eat. Within a half hour, they began vomiting blood and quickly died. A shot of the enormous Chunbong camp from space. “I saw that in 20 or 30 minutes they died like this in that place. Looking at that scene, I lost my mind. Was this reality or a nightmare? And then I screamed and was sent out of the auditorium.” Prison guard Ahn’s memories are, like the others’, nothing short of gruesome. Every day, he said there were beatings and deaths. “I heard many times that eyeballs were taken out by beating,” he recalled. “And I saw that by beating the person the muscle was damaged and the bone was exposed, outside, and they put salt on the wounded part. At the beginning I was frightened when I witnessed it, but it was repeated again and again, so my feelings were paralyzed.” Moreover, said Ahn, beating and killing prisoners was not only tolerated, it was encouraged and even rewarded. “They trained me not to treat the prisoners as human beings. If someone is against socialism, if someone tries to escape from prison, then kill him,” Ahn said. “If there’s a record of killing any escapee then the guard will be entitled to study in the college. Because of that some guards kill innocent people.”

Newsweek: Bizarre world of women, wine and weapons President Bush told author and Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward last year that he was well aware of the camps and the atrocities. That, officials say, partly explains why Bush insisted on North Korea’s inclusion in the “axis of evil” in his 2002 State of the Union address. “I loathe Kim Jong Il,” Bush told Woodward during an interview for the author’s book “Bush at War.” “I’ve got a visceral reaction to this guy because he is starving his people. And I have seen intelligence of these prison camps — they’re huge — that he uses to break up families and to torture people.” Brownback, a senator with a reputation as a human rights advocate, thinks that the prison camps and abuses have for too long taken a back seat to nuclear arms and other Korean issues. “It seems that what happened is that there got to be a complex set of issues, and people said, ‘Well OK, it’s about our relationship with China, it’s about the Korean Peninsula, it’s about this militaristic regime in North Korea that we don’t want to press too much because they may march across the border into South Korea.” Brownback says the North’s nuclear program, its missile tests and generally unpredictable behavior has blurred a critical issue: “I think people just got paralyzed to really put a focus on the human face of this suffering,” he said.

Lisa Myers, Rich Gardella and Judy Augsberger of NBC News and Michael Moran of MSNBC.com contributed to this report.

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To: Gforce11
Whenever some liberal prick says, "Communism just isn't a threat anymore", pull out this article and stick it in their faces. 200,000 people have reportedly been imprisoned here -- men, women, and children. And for what reason? Sometimes nominal differences with the government in North Korea. 20 to 25 percent of prisoners die every year. Meanwhile, the champagne and drugs flow in Malibu ... everybody's happy ... everybody's ignorant ...

This is the real human cost of Communism. The human spirit, by its very nature, wants to be free. Communism cannot survive in the face of such spirit -- so the North Koreans systematically crush dissidents and put them in Gulags like these. I don't know how those bastards sleep at night.
41 posted on 01/16/2003 1:43:48 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Travis McGee
New book out by Alexander Yakovlev titled A Century of Violence in Soviet Russia.

Yakovlev is president of the International Democracy Foundation in Moscow and chair of Russia's Presidential Commission for the Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repression. He's also a former Politburo member with amazing access.

The book does a good job pointing out the attrocities of the Soviets, and uses many archival citations, while naming names. It shows Lenin for the terrorist he was, and how Stalin just continued his policies.

42 posted on 01/16/2003 6:10:30 PM PST by Matthew James
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To: Matthew James
That sounds like a must read! Is the book new, or just new in English translation?

Does it build on and verify Conquest, Sozhenitzn et al, or is there entirely new unknown matter?

BTW, here's a version of my soon to be book cover.

43 posted on 01/16/2003 10:22:38 PM PST by Travis McGee (Go out and BLOAT.)
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bttt
44 posted on 01/16/2003 10:37:41 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: Gforce11

"I am honored, so honored, to be in the presence of the Dear Leader!"

Madeline Allbright


45 posted on 01/16/2003 11:13:36 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Travis McGee
You have to be pretty darn paranoid to put antiaircraft guns on prison camps to prevent rescue in acountry that doesn't have any aircraft outside of government hands.

I hear that North Korea actually rakes its beaches- all of their coast, every day, to make sure that no one can cross the beaches into North Korea from the sea without leaving footprints. They are that nuts... makes our INS look really lame.

46 posted on 01/16/2003 11:32:32 PM PST by piasa
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To: Travis McGee
Could you let me know how I can purchase a copy of your book?

Thanks.

47 posted on 01/16/2003 11:41:48 PM PST by jla
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To: Gforce11
We fight a much different enemy obviously. What do ya guys think?

Actually, this "new" enemy is remarkably similar to one we fought some 60 years ago.

I almost can't believe these accounts are true. Were it not for the fact that we saw this kind of behavior last century, I wouldn't believe it at all.

If we ever do go to war against North Korea, I will make every effort to get myself there ASAP. Though I imagine I would probably be incarcerated after the hostilities ended, as I would have no mercy on any NK commanders, camp commandants, or political officers I came across.

48 posted on 01/17/2003 12:04:09 AM PST by timm22
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Well, if nothing else, this is certainly great fun.

Here is the first paragraph from Donga's top story today:

BEGIN KOREAN QUOTE
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END KOREAN QUOTE

(Apologies to Freepers without Korean language support installed; you will see only random characters instead of Korean words.)

Now let's enter this into Babelfish and marvel at the prowess of machine translation:

BEGIN BABELFISH TRANSLATION
' ' From ' destruction of life department Pak as a matter of Democratic Party which is classified with the rebellious subject public opinion rebellious subject ' thousand (ÚÓ ßÓ highest rank won and affection germ exchange (ï÷ г the director and the Pak waters (ÚÓ åÇ |#e2aa{) the member of the Assembly will get torn and 17 days conspicuously together " the sound where also the language does not become " it will wind strong unpleasantly, it was visible.
END BABELFISH TRANSLATION

Hmm...

But wait, donga.com also offers an English version of its content!

This appears to be a day behind the Korean-language edition... There is some good human-interest material there, like the report on a Flushing, NY, restaurant owner dead of a heart attack following false reports over her serving dog meat (which turned out to be only coyote meat).

Nothing, however, about the affectionate germ exchange, nor whose Assembly will get its member torn (ouch!), and nothing either on the strong unpleasantly wind... although perhaps it is best not to ask.
49 posted on 01/17/2003 1:13:44 AM PST by tictoc
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To: tictoc
It did not work.

I even went to Korean font mode and still got the nonsense fonts. Perhaps you can give a URL link, since I have Korean fonts, but foreign font export does not apparantly work as text through the FR system (although posting as HTML from a website banner, etc, does).

50 posted on 01/17/2003 5:39:45 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (We're liable to get a reputation as a nation willing to oppose considerably weaker nations, only....)
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To: Bush2000
A very good post. Well put B2, well put.
51 posted on 01/17/2003 5:41:06 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (We're liable to get a reputation as a nation willing to oppose considerably weaker nations, only....)
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To: tictoc
As I mentioned, there are drawbacks. (I know, I read some hilarious report about "problems of Kim Jong il and it's anus hemorroid toward the policy of S. Korea")

Good basically for charts and headlines. For languages the most similar to English, such as Spanish, German, etc., it works much better, admittedly. Good luck!

52 posted on 01/17/2003 5:44:50 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (We're liable to get a reputation as a nation willing to oppose considerably weaker nations, only....)
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To: all_mighty_dollar
Already are per MSNBC report: " ...Products made by prison laborers may wind up on U.S. store shelves, having been “washed” first through Chinese companies that serve as intermediaries..."

sounds plausible......the commies/Nikkies will do anything for a buck...

Attention Walmart shoppers!

53 posted on 01/17/2003 5:58:19 AM PST by PuNcH
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Thanks.

The "official" English-language version that donga.com itself produces is well worth a visit.

Next time I see my Korean colleague, I'll be able to surprise him with my intimate knowledge of parochial politics from his homeland!
54 posted on 01/17/2003 6:21:56 AM PST by tictoc
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To: tictoc
Cool.

You are well on your way!

55 posted on 01/17/2003 6:43:20 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (We're liable to get a reputation as a nation willing to oppose considerably weaker nations, only....)
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To: jla
For now just click here, but in a day or two the www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com site should be functional. You can read about the first 1/3 of the book in its 99.9% finished form under excerpts.
56 posted on 01/17/2003 7:31:28 AM PST by Travis McGee (Go out and BLOAT.)
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To: Travis McGee; Mudboy Slim; sultan88
Thanks, Travis. I'm looking forward to reading it.
57 posted on 01/17/2003 7:42:53 AM PST by jla
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To: jla
I hope you enjoy it!
58 posted on 01/17/2003 9:15:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (Go out and BLOAT.)
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To: piasa
They rake the South Korean beaches too, to guard against the very real threat of N Korean agents, terrorists and sabateurs landing.
59 posted on 01/17/2003 9:29:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (Go out and Buy Lots Of Ammo Today!)
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To: American Soldier
A thought just occurred to me. Do you think the North Koreans in the prison camps would have allowed this to happen if they had guns?

But of course, we all know that citizens should not be allowed to arm themselves....
60 posted on 01/17/2003 9:57:54 AM PST by M. Peach (Eschew obsfucation)
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