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Grijalva invites Ashcroft to see vigilante 'justice'
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 14 Jan 2003 | Unkown

Posted on 01/14/2003 8:01:56 AM PST by JackelopeBreeder

Grijalva invites Ashcroft to see vigilante 'justice'

ARIZONA DAILY STAR; Tuesday, January 14, 2003

U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva stepped up his campaign to crack down on vigilantes Monday by inviting Attorney General John Ashcroft to come to Southern Arizona to see the threat they pose to border security.

The Tucson Democrat told Ashcroft in a letter that the federal government's silence on the issue is "seen as giving official sanction to this racist movement, both by the perpetrators and victims of vigilante 'justice.' "

Ashcroft's voice, Grijalva added, "is needed now to make clear that private armed groups claiming law enforcement powers have no role in patrolling our border with Mexico."

Last week, shortly after he was sworn in, Grijalva called for a federal inquiry into the vigilante groups that have formed in response to the thousands of illegal immigrants who make their way across Arizona's border every year.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizonaborder; illegalimmigration; vigilantes
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To: dirtboy; daviddennis; Luis Gonzalez; Poohbah; BlackElk; CWOJackson; Miss Marple
You want to call in help? So will I, then.
281 posted on 01/15/2003 7:46:20 AM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: hchutch
You do not address the fact the quote has been made a TOTAL of 11 times on his web page.

Oh, so because it has been pasted 11 times on a website, that makes it more signficant? Lott only uttered his comments once - it is the words that matter, not the count.

have Tancredo make his run on immigration. Bring it on - let's test how big this issure REALLY is among Republican voters. What are you afraid of? You'll lose?

Nice try at changing the subject. The subject is the lack of will by government at all levels to enforce existing immigration law, in defiance of laws that the federal government has passed - and this issue is resonating with an increasing number of voters. But trying to therefore turn it into a single-issue campaign is a demand that it turn down the path of futility, as single-issue campaigns seldom if ever work. So we'll acknowledge the strawman that you and BlackElk have erected as we drive right on by it.

The SPLC has pulled back when they have made mistakes

So has the NY Times - of course, only when they are absolutely pinned down or the retraction is insignificant. So just because the SPLC has retracted once, doesn't mean it is so inclined on a regular basis. You're defending one of the most liberal, obnoxious, progagandist organizations out there, dude. SPLC is a pretty hard sell here at FR, and so far your sales pitch isn't anywhere near up to the task.

282 posted on 01/15/2003 7:51:31 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: hchutch
You want to call in help? So will I, then.

Whiiiiiine ... I'm bringing in some of the folks who were participants on an earlier thread where I raised these issues, and they can provide input regarding SPLC. I doubt most of the folks you just pinged in will support your contentions regarding SPLC, you might try getting some folks from DU to join long enough to post an SPLC testimonial before they get banned. Once again, the issue is illegal immigration and, now that you've raised it, a quote by Glenn Spencer regarding problems with culture in Mexico as they pertain to assimilation here.

283 posted on 01/15/2003 7:54:09 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Take your best shot at the SPLC, then.

Go ahead, TRY to impeach their credibility. Give me incidents where they were off. Show me the judgements agaisnt them for defamation, libel, or slander. Show me the instances where they were PROVEN to have lied.

Show me the proof, if you have any.
284 posted on 01/15/2003 7:54:15 AM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: hchutch
You want to call in help? So will I, then.

Whiiiiiine ... I'm bringing in some of the folks who were participants on an earlier thread where I raised these issues, and they can provide input regarding SPLC. I doubt most of the folks you just pinged in will support your contentions regarding SPLC, you might try getting some folks from DU to join long enough to post an SPLC testimonial before they get banned. Once again, the issue is illegal immigration and, now that you've raised it, a quote by Glenn Spencer regarding problems with culture in Mexico as they pertain to assimilation here.

285 posted on 01/15/2003 7:54:17 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: hchutch
Take your best shot at the SPLC, then.

You're the one defending a biased liberal group on a conservative website. I went through this exercise already when I was simply trying to confirm the charges of SPLC (as opposed to actively promoting them as you are here), but there are plenty of folks here who are much better informed on the subject, and I'm sure they will be glad to shoot down your position here. Just sit back and the fireworks will start soon enough.

286 posted on 01/15/2003 7:56:28 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: hchutch
Go ahead, TRY to impeach their credibility. Give me incidents where they were off.

Exhibit A - SPLC claimed that American Patrol had a cartoon deriding Mexicans on their website. No such cartoon ever existed.

287 posted on 01/15/2003 8:03:56 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: hchutch
Oh, and BTW, I'm still waiting for you to ping in JimRob and try to get me banned for my statement about black inner-city culture, as it is little different from what Glenn Spencer said.
288 posted on 01/15/2003 8:07:14 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
No, but they will be able to state I am NOT some DU shill - as my posting history will bear out.

And as for DU - I've never psted there. Which of course, doesn't surprise me, either. I've seen this type of approach before, too, on immgiration threads. People who disagree get tagged as a RINO, "neo-con", "anti-American" or other terms intended to deride them.

I want fair solutions to illegal immigration. I ain't going to get it from folks who are trying to whitewash an apparent bigot. I don't like people who try to whitewash stuff - be it blowjobs in the Oval Office or bigoted comments.
289 posted on 01/15/2003 8:07:41 AM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: dirtboy; Jim Robinson
I can tell that it was intended as analogy - and no racist intent. I cannot say the same thing for Mr. Spencer's quote.
290 posted on 01/15/2003 8:08:57 AM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: dirtboy
Do you have a link to the claim?
291 posted on 01/15/2003 8:09:24 AM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: hchutch
I ain't going to get it from folks who are trying to whitewash an apparent bigot.

Once again, what I said about black inner-city culture was little different from what Glenn Spencer said about Mexican culture (that is, the culture in the country of Mexico, especially the political culture, which is notoriously corrupt). Care to call me a bigot, dude? Oh, and BTW, the burden is on YOU to substantiate what SPLC has claimed, because otherwise you put me in the position of proving a negative - that none of these statements by Glenn Spencer exist - because Google searches only find what exists, not what doesn't. You have posted ONE comment that is actually a fairly factual statement of how things work in Mexico. Now, search the rest of their claims. And post your proof.

292 posted on 01/15/2003 8:11:13 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Maybe the time has come to complete the Manifest Destiny puzzle and take over Mexico entirely. Let's solve the border problem by invading Mexico ourselves. Let's root out the corruption and imprison their entire government from the least and most petty state official to El Presidente Fox himself. Overhaul the place, make it liveable, profitable, and pleasant.

As a plus we would acquire as soverign US terrirotry some of the most beautiful beaches on earth.

293 posted on 01/15/2003 8:11:26 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: hchutch
I can tell that it was intended as analogy - and no racist intent. I cannot say the same thing for Mr. Spencer's quote.

Like hell it was an analogy. It was a factual statement little different from what Glenn Spencer is saying. You ain't gonna rationalize this one. I stand by the statement I made, because it is supported by facts. But some folks like Jesse Jackson would call me a bigot for citing the truth, just as you are calling Glenn Spencer a bigot for citing a truth you and Morris Dees don't like...

294 posted on 01/15/2003 8:12:43 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: hchutch
Do you have a link to the claim?

Don't ask me to do your homework, son. You are claiming that SPLC is accurate regarding Glenn Spencer, you therefore should put up their claims and any supporting info you have. I'm not in the business of proving negatives...

295 posted on 01/15/2003 8:14:21 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Weaseling out?

I'll take that as an admission.
296 posted on 01/15/2003 8:14:40 AM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: dirtboy
You accused them of making a false claim. Show me the link where they claimed he put up a derogatory cartoon.

THAT burden of proof is on YOU, dirtboy.
297 posted on 01/15/2003 8:15:30 AM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: hchutch
Weaseling out? I'll take that as an admission.

I'll take your statement there as an admission that you know nothing about logic. Once again, SPLC has made specific claims. You say you agree with them. If those claims are correct, you can find supporting info with Google. Now, if those items claimed by SPLC do not exist, exactly how do you propose that I locate non-existent items with Google? This should be interesting.

298 posted on 01/15/2003 8:16:58 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: BlackElk
"If Montagnard villagers and Hmong people from Vietnam could come here from stone age civilizations after the war and see their children become valedictorians of their high schools through academic achievement not affirmative action in one generation, we should look to the Mexicans for similar performance."

They came here legally and with no ulterior motives. They have worked hard to integrate themselves into American culture which is more than I can say for the illegal aliens. Also who says their culture was Stone Age? You?
299 posted on 01/15/2003 8:17:03 AM PST by MoGalahad
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To: hchutch
You accused them of making a false claim. Show me the link where they claimed he put up a derogatory cartoon. THAT burden of proof is on YOU, dirtboy.

Why are you so afraid to post the claims by SPLC? You want me to do your homework for you, and then prove a negative? Another poster with knowledge of the situation provided information a couple of months ago about the cartoon in question, otherwise I would never have known - oh, and BTW, YOU were on that thread, you freepmailed me several times regarding it - but you're playing dumb here. Since that is the game you are trying to play here, I'll go do something more worthwhile, like clean my coffee mug, as you are demonstrating that you're a complete waste of time.

300 posted on 01/15/2003 8:20:22 AM PST by dirtboy
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