Socialism: Its evil permeates American society

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | 1/12/03 | David P. Shreiner

[Jean S]

A conservative preacher once told me he thought "a little socialism was good." I was dumbfounded. He did not realize this was tantamount to saying a little evil is good.

In the early 1900s socialism was regarded as a crazy idea invented by revolutionaries and Marxists to disrupt civilization and bring down governments. But today the majority of Americans behave as socialists

[rdb3]

You're right. We can't say it's a new thing, can we?

Birth of Tha SYNDICATE, the philosophical heir to William Lloyd Garrison.
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[dtel]

Just because you disagree with her views, doesn't grant you the wisdom to question her sex.
She made some valid points in her last post and also goes on to acknowledge it will never happen.
Whether we want to admit it or not we already live in a socialist utopia.
This country has wandered so far from it's intended path that only Karl Marx could be happy about it.
Policies that I am forced to abide by were set in place long before I was a twinkle in my dad's eye, I tried rebelling and got promptly slapped down like a street punk.
I am waiting for any suggestions you gents may propose.

[rdb3]

Well, wimpycat is not a "gent."

My proposal? Go back and do the first works.

Think about it.

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[dtel]

My apologies wimpycat, I noticed that after my post.
The original point I believe missamericanpie was trying to make is that this country could use a big old dose of testosterone.
We have become a matriarch society instead of a patriarch society. Even if we were granted total freedom, 75% of the population would be clamoring for the nanny state before the first sun set on freedom.
Until you fix that, there is no need to proceed.

[wimpycat]

Just because you disagree with her views, doesn't grant you the wisdom to question her sex.

These are your words. Take those words and apply them to all women everywhere, not just to the woman you agree with.

[dtel]

These are your words. Take those words and apply them to all women everywhere, not just to the woman you agree with.

Excuse me.
Was there a subliminal message I missed in there or something.
Have I questioned someone's sex on this board?
Don't beat around the bush, say what you mean in plain language.

[dasein64]

So when you reach the age to qualify for SS do you intend to forfeit your benefits? Will what you and your employer paid in go to others who have not been required to do so? You seem to assume that the current retirees have not paid in as much as you have. You are ignorant of the fact that not all SS money goes to retirees. I do not know the current figures, but several years ago close to half of SS went for non-related retirement benefits to a variety of programs grafted onto the SS system. I know more SS receipents who are not retirees than those who are. These include retarded children who get a monthly check. Get mad at the right people. The retirees have paid into the system and many were as reluctant to do so as you seem to be. None of the retirees I know are even close to being wealthy. They aren't robbing you of a damn thing. All served in the armed forces during war time and the widows of some get so little SS that I don't know how they manage. Further, there is a current move to suspend SS taxes for the so-called working poor and that has to mean that these workers will still be able to get SS benefits without reguard to the number of quarters they have worked. Full blown socialism is indeed in gallop mode. As to your presumption that without paying SS taxes you would be wealthy---we'll never know will we? You can save and invest now if your ambition is to acquire wealth. But if you expend your energy blowing a gasket at perceived enemies, you'll be forever sidetracked from your goals. Just an observation from somebody who has heard similar excuses as yours for not progressing as rapidly as they think is their due.

[wimpycat]

Have I questioned someone's sex on this board? Don't beat around the bush, say what you mean in plain language.

Sure, you questioned the whole female sex when you agreed with MissAmericanPie's "valid" points about women and how they vote, when you characterized the virtues of a "patriarchal" society, and when you equated socialism to a "matriarchal" society. That is why I told you to take your own words and apply them to all women.

At least 2 other people besides her have pinned the blame for the downfall of American society on the right of women to vote. Do you agree with them?

[dtel]

At least 2 other people besides her have pinned the blame for the downfall of American society on the right of women to vote. Do you agree with them?

No.
Way too simplistic, do we blame blacks for democrats? It is the same arguement.
The breakdown was under way before the Suffrage Act and adding emotion to the equation didn't help the process.
What did more to accelerate the problem in my opinion is allowing people who don't own property to vote.
But what I think really doesn't matter, it is what it is and I am just doing my best to enjoy my time here.

[wimpycat]

Way too simplistic, do we blame blacks for democrats? It is the same arguement.

Exactly. It IS the same argument, which is why I posted what I did to MissAmericanPie. Then you and I don't have a quarrel over this particular issue. I was addressing the people who blame women for the downfall of society. If you blame women, you have to blame blacks, too, because, as you said, it's the same argument.

[dramagirl1341]

good points- should we just eliminate all minorities that disagree with what she says? It would be impossible now to get rid of that ammendment and not let women vote. Its called voter suppression! Stopping minorities from voting because you don't want them to vote for something you disagree with. MissAmericanPie can give up her vote because she doesnt trust herself as a woma9n and would rather leave it to men to decide the fate of the country, but I wouldnt give up my right to vote for anything (even though i cant vote yet- a couple more years, but still)

[dtel]

As far as the matriarch/patriarch debate.
I say we are way too scared of a society, you see it in the police tactics, you see it in the soccer mommies and daddies. Everybody has their pet fear, for some it is guns, for others it is dogs, for others Arabs.
You see and hear it on this conservative forum all the time.
If I could change anything it would be that.

[rdb3]

Way too simplistic, do we blame blacks for democrats?

I'm unfamiliar with you, dtel, but I appreciate your candor here. The answer to this question you ask depends on who is asked.

Don't believe me? Just read around here and you'll see.

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[wimpycat]

(even though i cant vote yet- a couple more years, but still)

I think you have to be 18 in order to post on this forum, but still...

Once you get that vote, girl, don't let it go! Use it for every election in your precinct. Vote, vote, vote!

[dtel]

Some find my candor...well, let's just say they have a hard time dealing with it.
In the interest of full disclosure, I am a Scottish/Dominican cross (what were they thinking!), but just call me a Texan.
Light in the winter, dark in the summer.
I kinda get to experience both sides of the equation. ;^)

[Ohioan]

You need to understand that those lawyers who bedevil honest business or other professions with contrived suits--including many of the high profile "class actions"--are only a very tiny percentage of the profession--or of the Trial lawyers in the profession. I agree that those who have brought many of these high profile cases, seeking to blame businesses for all the problems of humanity, are a menace. However, they have been succeeding because of a number of reasons, which go to a mucher deeper, Socialist mindset, which the Class-Action lawyers are hardly the principal cause for.

As for the mess in the medical profession, I would agree that overly aggressive lawyers have certainly had a major impact. But consider, also, the even greater impact of the Federal involvement via Medicare and Medicaid. (See Medicare--Panacea or Death Potion!.)

We are on a collision course with total economic disaster in America, and while it is amusing to seek to blame specific players, very few--even among the alarmists--are really willing to take on the overall situation, head on.

William Flax

[MissAmericanPie]

As a matter of fact neither the Senate nor the President are elected today as was prescribed by the Constitution, so how about we do things Constitutionally?

Both a majority of women and minorities have proven they can't vote worth squat and yes, socialism can be laid at their doorstep, directly at their doorstep. You may rail against that fact but there it is. Go fuss at them for being Constitutionally lazy, not at me for knowing they are Constitutionally lazy.

Of course no one will deny anyone their right to vote as long as everyone is voting, but, the fact is, no one has the "right" to vote the way we do it today, which is un-Constitutional. For one thing, the election of the Senate is not set up in the lawful manner prescribed in the Constitution. Being a Constitutionalist, I don't like that fact either but I don't intend to stop voting to offset the damage done by socialists.

Go to your Constitution and take a peek at how the Senate and the President are suppose to be elected. I like things tidy, lawful, I like the Constitution that my fore fathers put together, I would like for it to be followed to the letter. It is what was orignally agreed to by everyone and no one has ever lawfully changed a thing about it. Certainly it has been illegally ignored, twisted, but never lawfully changed.

[weikel]

Ussually I agree with you but no dice the Federal government is run almost entirely by lawyers has been for over a century. As Mencken said

"All the extravagance and incompetence of our present Government is due, in the main, to lawyers, and, in part at least, to good ones. They are responsible for nine-tenths of the useless and vicious laws that now clutter the statute-books, and for all the evils that go with the vain attempt to enforce them. Every Federal judge is a lawyer. So are most Congressmen. Every invasion of the plain rights of the citizens has a lawyer behind it. If all lawyers were hanged tomorrow, and their bones sold to a mah jong factory, we'd be freer and safer, and our taxes would be reduced by almost a half." –H.L. Mencken (1880-1956), "Breathing Space", The Baltimore Evening Sun, 1924 Aug 4. Reprinted in A Carnival of Buncombe.

[wimpycat]

Both a majority of women and minorities have proven they can't vote worth squat and yes, socialism can be laid at their doorstep, directly at their doorstep. You may rail against that fact but there it is. Go fuss at them for being Constitutionally lazy, not at me for knowing they are Constitutionally lazy.

Good Godalmighty!

[dramagirl1341]

I know the original constitution allowed for only white males voting, but that was back in an era where women were regarded as the lower sex, and blacks and native americans were considered subhuman. times change, and in this case for the better...we can't go back to that... the sexes are equal in intelligence- males and females both have their different strengths and weaknesses, but you can't regard women as inferior and not being able to vote as well as men.
how would you feel if liberals pushed disallowing white males to vote simply because they generally vote in favor of the gop, and if they were out of the way then more liberals would be elected?