Why black conservatives are maligned (we have a shot to change how blacks in America will vote)

newaus ^ | 2/1/2001 | Stephen Frazier

[TLBSHOW]

Why black conservatives are maligned

TNA News with Commentary Thursday 1 February 2001

Bryant Pearson, writing in The Black Turncoat Forum BBS, asks why conservative blacks are so maligned simply for having a point of view different from the ‘normal’ black person. He wrote: “When we conservative blacks speak up for what we believe why are we treated like we’ve done something wrong. I believe that we have a shot to change how blacks in America will vote in 4 years if we get together and work hard at changing the minds of many in our community.”

Bryant, we are maligned because all liberals instinctively feel that no black person is capable of such independent thought or activity. When we encounter a liberal black, he succumbs to the playground mentality and thinks of us as self hating Uncle Toms or just ‘acting white’. If that doesn’t reveal how he really feels about independent minded blacks, nothing does.

They are actually envious of our ability to develop and articulate ideas, philosophies and actions apart from the ‘normal’ black culture, and must try to make themselves more important by trying to make us less relevant. Even white liberals, when opposed by conservative blacks, tend to think of us as ‘fronts’ for some white person or group, or they consider us as tokens. Worst of all, they consider liberal blacks as needing ‘leaders’. I have never heard anyone mention a white leader or a black conservative leader.

The fact is neither black nor white conservatives need leaders, and the same for white liberals, but black liberals do, and most people think that all blacks do. This is the myth initiated by white liberals and perpetuated by black ones. What we black conservatives must do is become proactive in spreading the conservative message. We must speak and act ahead of the curve, before someone else has begun the battle that we know must be joined long before they do.

We must not only let blacks know that we are here and we are viable, but we must let everyone know that not all of us dance to the same tune as played by the race hustling poverty pimps, otherwise known as black leaders. If you look at the ‘leaders’ in the white community, you see many individuals with leadership skills acting together to achieve a common goal. There is no one particular ‘leader’, other than the one(s) chosen by the participants themselves to run the show, whereas black liberals will accept whatever loudmouth or show off who declares himself or is declared by the media as ‘black leader’ (read my own declaration written in 1994).

The at large conservative community, black and white has many leaders, each with his or her own special contribution to the effort.

Black liberals are quite content to sit by and watch someone else take the initiative, fight the battle, and tell us all about it in the process. Black conservatives must take care not to allow others to take the initiative for a battle that we must lead, and that is the battle to establish ourselves as not just followers of some white guy who is fighting for us. If we fall into that trap, then we are no different from the black liberals, which puts all of us into the same boat, which is that none of us are capable of carrying our own weight in our own battle.

*Stephen Frazier runs the very politically incorrect The Black Turncoat Forum site.

[billbears]

Well said. I especially agree about how we as conservatives do use language and thinking that comes from the left especially when it deals with race. Never have considered it but it is true. From television to personal daily conversations it is a pervasive mindset.

[visualops]

Part of it, I believe, is the insinuation that one would lose one's identity if you don't stick to some predetermined guidelines of thought and behavior. Even if those 'rules' are based on things that aren't really good for you at all. That, to me, is the most racist thing of all; to imply that one's "blackness" lies anywhere but in oneself.
It makes me think of the Chinese finger trap, the more you struggle to pull your fingers apart, the tighter it becomes. Relax, and put them closer, and it falls right off.

[visualops]

Exactly. Knowledge is power, but you must have access to the truth.

[Happy2BMe]

May I humbly offer you IMHO a sterling example . . .

The Honorable J.C. Watts (R-OK)

HERE is but one example of his Black leadership (for the good of all Blacks):

Frist to Hear From Representatives Watts, Lewis and Jackson on Health Disparities

I could easily cast a vote for this man as the first President of these United States.

[Happy2BMe]

Correction of: "I could easily cast a vote for this man as the first President of these United States."

TO:

I could easily cast a vote for this man as the first Black President of these United States.

[Alberta's Child]

That's an excellent point you make. You never hear anyone calling for "white leadership," whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anyway.

In my opinion, black conservatives are so maligned by other people of their own race because there is nothing more "counter-cultural" than a black conservative. The Irish lived in this country for nearly 150 years before it became acceptable (but not common!) for Irish-Americans to admit that they voted for Republicans. Once the blue-collar union generation began to retire, and their children had grown up as professionals, then the inter-generational tension toned down quite a bit.

[mhking]

I've said this selfsame thing on numerous occasions. Black people don't need leaders.

Here's the key: with conservative blacks, those who are percieved as leaders don't worry about blacks as a singular entity, but about people as a whole.

I've been called a "leader" and a "great man" for some of the work I've done, but I'm simply a man. It's not up to me to be a "great man." That's up to God. I'm simply the best servant for God that I can be. If he calls me to lead, then I will lead. If he simply calls, I will listen and answer the call.

[Alberta's Child]

"A man is a success if he wakes up in the morning and makes it back to bed at night. What he does in between is up to him." -- Bob Dylan

I don't know why I posted that here -- I read it somewhere today and it struck me as kind of funny. LOL.

[rdb3]

Indeed, and I understand what you are saying.

However, this is different. The POTUS is the "leader" of all Americans by the office held. He is the President of The United States of America. What or who is The United States of America? It's citizens. Therefore, he is "leader" of us all through an election process.

But there is no office for "Official Spokesperson of American Blacks." And hinting at the legitimacy of such a non-official office infantilizes the entirety of American black citizens.

Again, we American blacks need no self-appointed leaders. If conservatism (post) is to be successful in this demographic, all attempts to name or claim a leader is both counterintuitive and self-destructive.

Birth of Tha SYNDICATE, the philosophical heir to William Lloyd Garrison.
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[dalebert]

Good question.

[TLBSHOW]

Wellstone Service Turns Into Political Rally 30 Oct 2002


Still pretending to bite their lips in grief, senate Democrats, are adding partisan insult to political injury by disinviting Vice President Cheney from the funeral of Senator Paul Wellstone (D-MN). The family of Wellstone, who, with all aboard, was killed in the crash of chartered plane eleven days before the election, has informed the White House that the administration's personal representative is not welcome to attend the memorial service. Even more shocking is the way the service degenerated into a political rally reminiscent of a party convention.

It began when the PARTISAN CROWD booed Republican Trent Lott (D-MS). Similar treatment was meted out to every GOP member introduced. Still, this was not nearly the reason that many politicians, from both parties, were upset at the political tone of the event. Nearly every Democrat speaker pumped his fist, and shouted predictable campaign rhetoric at the top of his lungs. Loving every minute of it was the party elite, past and present, from Bill and Hillary Clinton to Al Gore to every liberal Democrat engaged in a tight race and praying for a sympathy boost from the unfortunate incident of one man's untimely death.

The Wellstone family deserves no kudos either. Wellstone's eldest son made a moderately partisan speech but Wellstone the younger, looking for all the world like the rabid 60's hippie type maggot infested human debris that Wellstone himself would have been proud of, made no pretense at being in the grief mode. Exhorting the 20,000 or so mob of political hacks masquerading as mourners, Wellstone claimed that "We will win this election for Paul" and ended his harangue, shaking his finger towards his mother, "Mom, you were right. WE WILL WIN! WE WILL WIN! WE WILL WIN!WE WILL WIN!".

Governor Jesse Ventura, however, was not present for much of these festivities, having left in disgust during the opening remarks of Wellstone Campaign manager Rick Kahn. Ventura, accompanied by his tearful wife, claimed to have been "used, violated and duped" and that "the Democrats should hang their heads in shame". Minnesota Democratic party leaders tried damage control after vehement reaction from around the country overnight. " It was what Paul would have wanted" claimed one. "The Republicans started it!" another chimed in. "This wasn't planned, but I take full responsibility" quoth the party chairman. The GOP is demanding a full four hours equal time. With only six days left until election day, it is doubtful the demand will even be considered.

To his credit, Norm Coleman, Mondale's designated victim in next Tuesday's election, conducted himself as he stated he would when informed of Wellstone's death; "I will suspend all political campaigning until after Sen. Wellstone has been laid to rest".

The only other positive thing to come out of the shameful mess is the fact that Governor Ventura who had planned, out of respect to the Wellstone family, to appoint a Democrat to complete the final two months of Wellstone's term, has indicated that he may instead appoint an Independent to the post. That would be no small matter, since that event could possibly upset the balance of power in the Senate, if only for two months.

While few pundits give Coleman much of a chance in one of the most liberal states in the country, there may yet be a chance for GOP mischief in the intervening months until January 20, 2003. If Jesse "The Body" makes good on his threat, it would bring the balance to Democrats 49, GOP 49 with two Independents. This would mean that Vice President Dick Cheney would break all ties, thus returning control of the Senate to the GOP until January, when the new congress convenes. If it turns out that public reaction to the fiasco last night in Minnesota results in an "indignance vote" against Mondale (Minnesota has a large Independent voting population) that situation could very well carry into the next congress.

How sweet would THAT be!

Chaos Along Our Southern Border

HUNDREDS of illegal Haitian immigrants, still dripping wet from the salty Atlantic, were strolling down the middle of a bridge in Miami, Florida, banging on car windows, jumping onto trucks and into vehicles, disrupting traffic, waving their arms and cheering as if they were the guests of honor at a parade. The fact that most of them should be on the way back to Haiti within a few months (hopefully) does not detract from the fact that a whole boatload of foreigners could get that close and actually make landfall without being stopped. Coast Guard spokesmen claimed that the organization actually interdicted the boat well offshore but made a determination that it was not a terrorist related threat and decided to use "minimum force" in trying to prevent a landing.

A rope was fastened to the bow of the boat by Coast Guard personnel but was cut by someone on board as the overloaded craft drifted toward shore. Once the boat had beached, hundreds of men, women and children jumped, fell or were thrown overboard in a frantic effort to "touch dry ground", referring to the U.S.'s policy towards Cuban immigrants, who are automatically granted near citizenship upon reaching our shores.

It is true that the Bush Administration last year instituted a policy that Haitians (and others) who come here illegally would be sent back as soon as possible, however, in most cases everyone who comes here gets a hearing before the INS and THEN gets sent back. BRAVO! The liberals are whining. Predictably, the African-American politicians in Florida and across the nation are screaming "RACISM", completely ignoring the fact (or perhaps not even being aware of it) that everyone except Cubans are treated the same way.

I personally do not agree with Bush's policy on Haitians and others being different from that on Cubans. I personally would like to see the same policy applied to ALL illegal immigrants. If they come here by any means other than application through the embassy, they go back WITHOUT a hearing. Period.

And while they're at it they can round up the 9,000,000 illegals that have been here for years and send them back too.

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by Stephen Frazier, US Army Retired, 1992

[mhking]

The fact that an ignoramous and blatant anti-white racist such as Al Sharpton is seriously being considered as a presidential candidate tells me the black vote is HOPELESS and CLUELESS.

Note that Sharpton is not being promoted by any blacks who are outside his camp. The bulk of black America views Sharpton's "candidacy" the same way most of the rest of America as a whole views it: as a bad joke.

If a mainstream black Dem were making the kinds of rumblings that Sharpton is, then it might be different.

[hchutch]

I can see your point.

Perhaps we can figure out the best way to describe the folks who are working to change the current voting patterns of that demographic some other time.

I think the key, though, is in the following words from Clarence Thomas:
"Good manners will open doors that even education cannot and will not. Even though you have strong feelings about something, that does not give you license to have bad manners."
Clarence Thomas, June 16, 1996 speech to students at Thomas G. Pullen Creative and Performing Arts School in Landover, MD

Somehow, I think President Bush has been applying this for a while.

[Txslady]

Well said! We all need good leadership – I for one appreciate it when it comes along.

I have to agree too with rdb3 in the fact that it is “about individually” and “to apply all aspects of conservatism to black people as you would to white.”

I prefer a colorblind sociality, unfortunately our society hasn’t blinded itself yet and those who haven’t still listen (unfortunately - as we all know) to the democrats and how they see people.

[dalebert]

Bravo.

[wardaddy]

Watts is a fine fellow but I doubt his presidential qualities. They would hang the illegitimate child thing around his neck like a pillory.....mainly because he is a conservative and is of course held to a higher standard.

I'm just observing btw....I'm far from perfect....exactly why I'd never pass media muster either even if I had an ounce of Watt's political integrity or the ambition but bastard offspring (admitted) is still a deal killer for a POTUS candidate in my view...call me old fashioned.

A conservative black for President?....I'm sure there is one but I don't see him or her on the near horizon. Rice lacks the moxie (in my view) and Powell is not really a conservative. Sowell is not a politician. The best "black" "face" is Ford the Younger but unless he has an epiphany and abandons his horrible family and their equally horrible legacy...he's not ours....but he is a media dandy to be sure...very cool for a youngster.

The next great conservative Black hope for political office is still under the radar. I'd like to see someone step up. Ironically, I think you'd find more moderate to liberal whites crossing over to vote for a conservative black than blacks themselves. He or she would be "Tom-ed" to death by his or her own tribe.

[mhking]

Ironically, I think you'd find more moderate to liberal whites crossing over to vote for a conservative black than blacks themselves. He or she would be "Tom-ed" to death by his or her own tribe.

Absolutely.

[sweetliberty]

This is a very relevant issue and one we need to focus on. My theory is that the RATS do not want to see their most reliable voting block wise up and start thinking for themselves. They are supposed to stay on the RAT plantation and any attempt to leave is going to be met with staunch resistance.

I thought this was something y'all might want to consider as regards voter fraud since the worst districts for fraud are also districts where there are a lot of black RAT voters who are used to run some of the most productive scams.

FReepmail if you want on or off my *voter fraud* ping list.