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TV Ads Say S.U.V. Owners Support Terrorists
New York Times ^ | Jan. 7, 2003 | KATHARINE Q. SEELYE

Posted on 01/08/2003 11:57:05 AM PST by MrLeRoy

WASHINGTON, Jan. 7 — Ratcheting up the debate over sport utility vehicles, new television commercials suggest that people who buy the vehicles are supporting terrorists. The commercials are so provocative that some television stations are refusing to run them.

Patterned after the commercials that try to discourage drug use by suggesting that profits from illegal drugs go to terrorists, the new commercials say that money for gas needed for S.U.V.'s goes to terrorists.

"This is George," a girl's voice says of an oblivious man at a gas station. "This is the gas that George bought for his S.U.V." The screen then shows a map of the Middle East. "These are the countries where the executives bought the oil that made the gas that George bought for his S.U.V." The picture switches to a scene of armed terrorists in a desert. "And these are the terrorists who get money from those countries every time George fills up his S.U.V."

A second commercial depicts a series of ordinary Americans saying things like: "I helped hijack an airplane"; "I gave money to a terrorist training camp in a foreign country"; "What if I need to go off-road?"

At the close, the screen is filled with the words: "What is your S.U.V. doing to our national security?"

The two 30-second commercials are the brainchild of the author and columnist Arianna Huffington. Her target audience, she said, is Detroit and Congress, especially the Republicans and Democrats who last year voted against a bill, sponsored by Senators John McCain, Republican of Arizona, and John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts, that would have raised fuel-efficiency standards.

Spokesmen for the automakers dismissed the commercials.

Eron Shosteck, a spokesman for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, said of Ms. Huffington, "Her opinion is out-voted every year by Americans who buy S.U.V.'s for their safety, comfort and versatility." He said that S.U.V.'s now account for 21 percent of the market.

In an interview, Senator Kerry distanced himself from the commercials. He said that rather than oppose S.U.V.'s outright, he believed they should be more efficient.

"I haven't seen these commercials," he said, "but anybody can drive as large an S.U.V. as they want, though it can be more efficient than it is today."

Ms. Huffington's group, which calls itself the Detroit Project, has bought almost $200,000 of air time for the commercials, to run from Sunday to Thursday. While the group may lose some viewers if stations refuse to run the advertisements, the message is attracting attention through news coverage.

The advertisements are to be broadcast on "Meet The Press," "Face the Nation" and "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" in Detroit, Los Angeles, New York and Washington.

But some local affiliates say they will not run them. At the ABC affiliate in New York, Art Moore, director of programming, said, "There were a lot of statements being made that were not backed up, and they're talking about hot-button issues."

Ms. Huffington said she got the idea for the commercials while watching the antidrug commercials, sponsored by the Bush administration. In her syndicated column, she asked readers if they would be willing to pay for "a people's ad campaign to jolt our leaders into reality."

She said she received 5,000 e-mail messages and eventually raised $50,000 from the public. Bigger contributors included Steve Bing, the film producer; Larry David, the comedian and "Seinfeld" co-creator; and Norman Lear, the television producer.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: getalife; luvmysuv; terrorism; treehuggingidiots; wodlist
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To: tallhappy
You keep asking me about it.

Liar, I asked you about it ONCE. (And the question did not obligate a defense---you could have repudiated your sleazy train of thought.)

I don't follow your comment about God and legality etc...

That's a shame.

221 posted on 01/09/2003 1:36:18 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Crusher138
Sometimes they are silly, often they are valid.

Shouldn't we oppose the silly ones? Is banning pot while (mostly) allowing alcohol valid or silly?

Their whimsey or seriousness notwithstanding, they are the law and we are not allowed to pick and choose which laws we will and won't obey without consequence.

Straw man; nobody here has claimed otherwise.

222 posted on 01/09/2003 1:39:26 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Shermy
Which in no way explains why they can't be more efficient. They can be, but that doesn't profit an auto manufacturer, so they don't.

"efficiency", like value, is an attributed quality, the definition of which depends upon the perceived needs of the one doing the valuation.
223 posted on 01/09/2003 1:39:45 PM PST by aruanan
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To: MrLeRoy
I didn't say you shouldn't oppose the law if you find it silly. I personally do not find the prohibition of marijauna to be silly. Alcohol is deeply ingrained into our society and while removing it may be a noble cause, it has proven historically to be a futile one. But because one lion is out of its cage, that is no reason to let all the animals out of the zoo.

As to my "straw man" - I was under the impression that there are many who decide certain laws are silly and proceed to ignore them. Are you telling me that among those who argue in favor of legalizing certain drugs, there isn't a certain number, possibly a majority, who use those drugs themselves and wish to have the law changed so they can continue to do so without the threat of prosecution?

224 posted on 01/09/2003 1:46:45 PM PST by Crusher138
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To: MrLeRoy
That's a shame.

It's not a shame, but an example where you didn't make sense.

225 posted on 01/09/2003 1:47:31 PM PST by tallhappy
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To: MrLeRoy
Have you smoked crack yet? If not, go smoke some and get back to me on your position on drugs.
226 posted on 01/09/2003 1:51:43 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Crusher138
I personally do not find the prohibition of marijauna to be silly. Alcohol is deeply ingrained into our society and while removing it may be a noble cause, it has proven historically to be a futile one. But because one lion is out of its cage, that is no reason to let all the animals out of the zoo.

70 million Americans have used pot---that animal is also out of the zoo. And why is it "valid" and "noble" to ban susbstances that most people use responsibly?

As to my "straw man" - I was under the impression that there are many who decide certain laws are silly and proceed to ignore them.

But not with the expactation that it will necessarily be "without consequences."

227 posted on 01/09/2003 1:52:17 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: tallhappy
It's not a shame, but an example where you didn't make sense.

Poppycock---I made perfect sense. I see nobody but you claiming to not understand it.

228 posted on 01/09/2003 1:53:22 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Republic of Texas
Have you smoked crack yet? If not, go smoke some and get back to me on your position on drugs.

If you can convince me it has any possibility of mattering to my pro-freedom position, I will.

229 posted on 01/09/2003 1:54:37 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
No one else is even paying attention to you. I'm being very indulgent with you.
230 posted on 01/09/2003 2:00:22 PM PST by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
No one else is even paying attention to you.

Typical Drug Warrior delusions of omniscience.

I'm being very indulgent with you.

What you're being is a fool. While that does indulge my desire for entertainment, please feel free to stop.

231 posted on 01/09/2003 2:04:00 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
No one will convince you, that much is obvious. However you have NO IDEA how addictive crack is. It doesn't matter if it's legal or not, people who smoke crack WILL violate the rights of their fellow citizens in one way or another. If you don't believe me, try some.
232 posted on 01/09/2003 2:04:24 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Republic of Texas
However you have NO IDEA how addictive crack is.

More so than heroin? Even John Walters' ONDCP admits that there are 250,000 to 500,000 nonaddicted heroin users?

It doesn't matter if it's legal or not, people who smoke crack WILL violate the rights of their fellow citizens in one way or another.

Non sequitur; another person's addictedness does not intrinsically violate any of my rights.

233 posted on 01/09/2003 2:06:36 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: JennysCool
Frankly, saying hasta la vista to my 13 mpg Navigator and hello to a 23 mpg Volvo V70 station wagon is hardly a sacrifice. But it's a start. Maybe I'll plant a victory garden in the backseat.

Yeah, screw the American company, Ford, and give aid and comfort to Sweden.
234 posted on 01/09/2003 2:16:50 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Republic of Texas
The problem with these drug legalization warriors is they are clueless. They remind me of the other utopian dreamers.
235 posted on 01/09/2003 2:17:29 PM PST by tallhappy
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To: MrLeRoy
Yes it does. When they steal to get money, it violates someone's rights. When they end up in the hospital emergency room, and we have to pay for it, it violates someone's rights. When they go to jail, for strealing, we have to pay for it, it violates someone's rights.
236 posted on 01/09/2003 2:19:54 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: aruanan
Actually, Ford now OWNS Volvo.
237 posted on 01/09/2003 2:20:29 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: MrLeRoy
If you prefer heroin, go do that instead.
238 posted on 01/09/2003 2:21:15 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: JennysCool
"Frankly, saying hasta la vista to my 13 mpg Navigator and hello to a 23 mpg Volvo V70 station wagon is hardly a sacrifice. But it's a start. Maybe I'll plant a victory garden in the backseat."

In other words:

"I supported terrorists with my 13mpg Navigator. But I have to drive about 76% more miles to support the same number of terrorists with my 23mpg Volvo."

The woman is as ditzy as she's always sounded.
239 posted on 01/09/2003 2:21:28 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Republic of Texas
More so than heroin? Even John Walters' ONDCP admits that there are 250,000 to 500,000 nonaddicted heroin users

If you prefer heroin, go do that instead.

Nonresponsive evasion.

240 posted on 01/09/2003 2:22:27 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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