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What Clayton Cramer Saw and (Nearly) Everyone Else Missed [Bellesiles]
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Posted on 01/07/2003 1:59:37 PM PST by beckett
What Clayton Cramer Saw and (Nearly) Everyone Else Missed
By Clayton E. Cramer
Mr. Cramer is a software engineer and historian. His last book was Concealed Weapon Laws of the Early Republic: Dueling, Southern Violence, and Moral Reform (Praeger Press, 1999). His web site is http://www.claytoncramer.com.
Michael A. Bellesiless Bancroft Prize for Arming America has been revokedthe first time that a Bancroft Prize has ever been taken away from an author.[1] He has also resigned from Emory University after a blistering criticism by a blue-ribbon panel.[2] Is this embarrassing moment for the history profession a fluke, or indicative of deeper problems?
I fear that it isnt a fluke. Arming America reveals that there are some very serious problems in the history professorate, and they are not confined to just one history professors demonstration of hubris. Before I launch into a discussion of these problems, let me tell you why I am writing this article.
My Involvement With the Bellesiles Scandal
I have been described in some articles covering this scandal as Michael Bellesiless most persistent critic, and I suppose that this is a fair statement. Bellesiles first presented his rather astonishing claims about gun scarcity in early America in a 1996 Journal of American History paper. At the time, I was a history graduate student, working on my MA thesis at Sonoma State University in California. My thesis examined the development of concealed weapon laws in the early Republic, and what I found completely contradicted Bellesiless claim that the early Republic had few guns, and few hunters.
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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; bellesiles; fraud; guns; history; probate
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posted on
01/07/2003 1:59:37 PM PST
by
beckett
To: *bang_list
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To: beckett
It is interesting that in reading this full article, one can see both the advantages and deficiencies of peer review. The advantage comes that from the first articles, Bellesiles was on notice that his work had flaws. The disadvantages came from the fact that it was published and awarded the Bancroft Prize long before the criticisms caught up to the lies. One thing that this helps establigh, Bellesiles is an out-right fraud and liar.
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posted on
01/07/2003 2:19:33 PM PST
by
SES1066
To: beckett
bump for later read
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posted on
01/07/2003 2:21:12 PM PST
by
Drango
To: beckett
Speaking of inaccuracies... Forbes had a list of things that were inaccurate in the movie Bowling for Columbine. I thought that was interesting.
To: SES1066
One thing that this helps establigh, Bellesiles is an out-right fraud and liar.Who was only exposed when an amature historian called him on it. If it wasn't for that unendorsed (by the state) little creep he would have walked away with a Nobel Prize!!
I think that is a really interesting side issue...That the state has a monopoly on credentials. If even one credentialed historian had brought up such reservations Bellesiles would have never gotten off the ground. It took an amature thousands of man hours to do what one credentialed historian could have done in a week.
EBUCK
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posted on
01/07/2003 2:29:05 PM PST
by
EBUCK
(On guard in Oregon.)
To: anobjectivist
Speaking of inaccuracies... Forbes had a list of things that were inaccurate in the movie Bowling for Columbine. I thought that was interesting. That's because Michael Moore learns everything he knows about government in the same place Babs Striesand learns about the environment...Democratic fund-raising letters.
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posted on
01/07/2003 2:30:01 PM PST
by
copycat
To: Beelzebubba
I love this quote from the article:
"At this point, some of readers (perhaps many) may be saying to themselves, Thats ridiculous! Our department is very diverse politically! I am a little skeptical. To paraphrase the barkeep in the movie The Blues Brothers, Weve got both kinds of politics here! Liberal and progressive! My experience in collegeand that of most history majors that I have ever talked towas that the range of political opinions in history departments is astonishingly narrow. Even liberal history majors usually recognized that this was the case."
To: beckett
Why do law reviews fact check articles? To quote Don Kates, a civil rights attorney who did much of the early work in the legal history of gun control, Law reviews check facts because lawyers lie.No, you don't say!
Excellent read at the link. I'm glad Cramer is on the RKBA side. The exposure of the tendency Bellesiles has toward error makes the likelihood of his ever finding a reloading partner, doubtful.
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posted on
01/07/2003 2:35:36 PM PST
by
elbucko
To: anobjectivist
Speaking of inaccuracies... Forbes had a list of things that were inaccurate in the movie Bowling for Columbine. I thought that was interesting.I'd like to see that if you have a link. I wonder if the list is the same as this one from Tim Blair.
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posted on
01/07/2003 2:50:28 PM PST
by
beckett
To: EBUCK
That the state has a monopoly on credentials.You make a good point and the start of a worthy discussion at a later time. I have always felt, all things being equal, that the the NRA or GOA should have the final say on whether I am qualified to own firearms, not the states DOJ.
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posted on
01/07/2003 2:51:37 PM PST
by
elbucko
To: beckett
Good post beckett, what an interesting man is Cramer.
To: beckett
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posted on
01/07/2003 2:52:33 PM PST
by
mvpel
To: elbucko
Good call...since the NRA and GOA have a more vested interest in bestowing AN INALIENABLE RIGHT upon worthy yet still lowly peasants in need of permission.
If I had to choose I would choose your option, thankfully the gubment has chosen for me....
EBUCK
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posted on
01/07/2003 2:55:19 PM PST
by
EBUCK
(On guard in Oregon.)
To: beckett
The Bancroft award should have been transferred to Clayton Cramer.
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posted on
01/07/2003 2:56:37 PM PST
by
Djarum
To: Djarum
Cramer is an ace. Too bad that no one with his political views will ever get a tenured chair of history at a major university.
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posted on
01/07/2003 2:59:49 PM PST
by
RKV
To: EBUCK
...since the NRA and GOA have a more vested interest in bestowing....Yes. And as part of the subject of the article involves "Peer Review". I would rather be judged fit or unfit by my fellow hunters and shooters than by a DOJ full of Gloria Allreds.
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posted on
01/07/2003 3:00:48 PM PST
by
elbucko
To: beckett
No that wasn't the link but that link actually contains more information that Forbes does from what I remember.
To: beckett
Diversity of opinions in the media?!
Oh please.
Surely you didn't think that Time was going to award their Person of the Year award to a whistleblower like Clayton Cramer, did you?!
Conservative good deeds are simply NOT to be discussed in any positive light by liberals...
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posted on
01/07/2003 3:04:28 PM PST
by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Southack
Good catch. That's right! Why wasn't Cramer on the cover of Time?
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posted on
01/07/2003 3:07:15 PM PST
by
beckett
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