CALIFORNIA: 5-year-old ban in bars leaves owners, customers fuming

Appeal-Democrat.com ^ | 5 January 2003 | Scott Bransford

[Mears]

The more you say the happier I am that I live in the Northeast!

[A CA Guy]

This was all challenged in court and the law was upheld due to studies and other evidence. You are welcome to do a specific study on the issue and you can report back.

I would first go to the legal challenges in court for your information so you won't waste even more of your time.

It was challenged and defended in the State Court in the least.

[luckystarmom]

When you state that you know what triggers my asthma, you are very arrogant. Cats also trigger my asthma as does grass.

The chemical contents of the smoke from a cigarette is much different than the exhaust from a car. Grant it, I also don't have car exhaust directly in my face. So maybe if the car exhaust was as concentrated as smoke is when I have been exposed to smoke, maybe I would get an asthma attack.

[Mears]

Gabz,I refuse to quit smoking too.I've smoked for 52 years and am in imminent danger of dying prematurely!!!

Pray for me!!!!!!

[A CA Guy]

I don't know if you say that because perhaps you smoke like a chimney, but it is just a case of a nasty habit over time getting out of control.
As time goes on, I see this going national.

[luckystarmom]

Well, no one is forcing anyone to ingest the peanuts or seafood. A smoker however does force non-smokers to ingest the smoke.

[A CA Guy]

Anybody can lose business as their place gets old in California.
This state has been getting less and less tolerant of older buildings.

I don't think they are out-right liars in the article. I think they have no understanding that their places went down because of normal market place happenings and fewer people go to old fashioned bars in CA these days.

[justrepublican]

If all bars were private clubs, smoking and smoke free, would that help?

[luckystarmom]

That is the current law. Smoking is okay in a private club.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Just thought you might enjoy a different version of the same Abbott and Costello bit.
It's the version that was first performed on their television show in 1952. It's a redux of the original scene from "The Naughty Nineties". Of all the versions out there, I've found this one to be the "snappiest". Enjoy.

[Just another Joe]

This was all challenged in court and the law was upheld due to studies and other evidence.

You make the claim, you cite the evidence.

[Eaker]

If you exhale you would not mind if I urinated all over the place, including you?

You would attempt this ONCE where I live. You would be shown something that you have probably never seen before.....the other end.

Eaker

[justrepublican]

Should non-smokers be allowed to join a smoking club and still raise a stink?

[Eaker]

I visited my family in Texas, and got off the plane and could immediately smell the stench of smoke. There were people smoking in the "smoking" section.

You are a liar. Why come here and lie??

No airport that I know of in Texas has a "smoking" section.

Eaker

[A CA Guy]

The evidence I cite is the fact the law still is legal after challenges in court.

That shows right there that it was a sound law.

[A CA Guy]

Here is a recent article with some information and studies for:
http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2002/11/18californiasmoki.html

[A CA Guy]

http://www.cigargroup.com/calif.htm

A copy of the law in CA for you.

[qam1]

To: qam1 When you state that you know what triggers my asthma, you are very arrogant.

LOL! Me arrogant from someone who wants to ban a legal activity just because you don't like it on someone else's private property including ones that you will never set foot in and even though you know it will cause the buisness to lose money. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black

Cats also trigger my asthma as does grass.

From the above I can tell your asthma attacks are caused by allergies and it is impossible to be allergic to cigarettes because allergies are a response to foreign proteins and proteins break apart when burned and are not in smoke.

I won't deny that some people with asthma can be negatively effected by cigarette smoke though most people exagerate it because where were all these people 20+ years ago when 80% of the population smoked, And my point still stands about if we are to take it to the extreme since some people are allergic to beestings all buisnesses should be banned from having live flowers.

The chemical contents of the smoke from a cigarette is much different than the exhaust from a car. Grant it, I also don't have car exhaust directly in my face. So maybe if the car exhaust was as concentrated as smoke is when I have been exposed to smoke, maybe I would get an asthma attack.

No not really, Petroleum products are all derived from dead plants and animals. The smokey end result is pretty much the same. Yes Cigarette smoke contains a small amount of nicotine but nicotine by itself isn't harmful if it were people would be getting sick all the time by eating tomatoes and Eggplant which also contain it.

And I bet you have been in places where car exhaust is more concentrated that cigarette smoke like a toll booth, parking garage, Auto repair shop, etc. Car exhaust is so much worse because there is so much more of it produced. 1 gallon of gasoline weighs ~7.5 pounds, Just look how light a cigarette is It would take hundreds if not thousands of cigarettes burned to equal just one gallon burned.

If you think cigarette smoke is so much worse than auto exhaust I will challange you. I will sit in a garage with 100 smokers puffing away while you sit in a garage with an automobile running lets see who comes out alive.

[qam1]

Well, no one is forcing anyone to ingest the peanuts or seafood. A smoker however does force non-smokers to ingest the smoke.

Really, So smokers are grabbing non-smokers at gun point and forceing them into bars and restuarants?

[Great Dane]

If you exhale you would not mind if I urinated all over the place,

This one has been around the block sooooooo many times, it needs new sneakers, please be a little more creative.