Postcard USA: Open Season on Islam

Daily Times [Pakistan] ^ | January 5, 2003 | Khalid Hasan

[Mrs. Obelix]

The latest insult to Islam comes in the form of a new book - "Islam Unveiled" - by Robert Spencer which rejects the thesis that Islam is a religion of peace or that it has been hijacked by a minority of extremists. It is open season on Islam in America.

[Jhoffa_]

No I am not wrong, you are. Any gratuitous assertion can be refuted just as gratuitously.

Okay... Let's see.

The Supreme Court claims they have read the Constitution, but they ruled against the Mormons anyway. Using that precedent, they should also rule against the murdering muslims relgion.

And what crime have these Muslims committed?

You avoided any response to the Mormon precedent.

Yes, it was so ridiculous as to not merit a response.

If the SC can rule it is constitutional to seize Mormon buildings, imprison them and disband their church for believing in and practicing plural marriage, why is it UNconstitutiional to seize muslim mosques, imprison Muslims and disband their church for believing in and practicing murdering non-believers? If plural marriage (a practice approved at various times by God in the Bible) is incompatible with our American society, then certainly murdering all non-muslims must also be incompatible. Using the PC petard of "fairness" would require us to apply the same "constitutional" standard to the muslims.

Muslims, Mormons, Christiand and Jews are all beholden to the Law.

Now, what crime can you convict these Peaceful, American Muslim Citizens of? Remember, you are going to have to bear the burden of proof.

Face it, you're a terrorist lover.

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[Jhoffa_]

Yes. With each of your posts it becomes more and more nakedly apparent that you are nothing but an APOLOGIST for the moral poison that is Islam.

You're a mess Odie. All you have left is half baked accusations.

Make an argument or stop wasting my time.

[swarthyguy]

Cute.

Still no specifics from you, tho....just a case of mythical ohio mussalmans....or mohammadans

Ask them if the problems of the world are America's fault...ie. Palestine, see what they say.....

Ask them what they think of the USG's registration policy?
Pretend to sympathise with them and see what u hear then.

[Jhoffa_]

You, sir, are acting like just another Arab/Muslim apologist -- all of whom have come across as arrogantly offensive in their lack of sympathy for the victims of barbaric Muslim aggression and in contrition for the beastly, diabolical acts perpetrated by those who represent this so-called "religion."

Ridiculous, I have denounced religious terror categorically.

Re-read the thread.

Your resort to the tactics of pure legalism is characteristic of those who have perverted the SPIRIT behind our laws and Constitution ..

And just what "spirit" might that be?

Is our Constitution a "living document" Odie? Share your views on this with me.

[Jhoffa_]

Still no specifics from you, tho....

And none will be forthcoming.

You seem to be under the impression that Muslims must 'justify' themselves to you, or to gain Constitutional Protection for their religion.

Nothing could be further from the truth. You are owed no such explanation and you shall receive none.

[RCW2001]

 

U.S. Department of Justice Civil Rights Division

Statements of Department of Justice Officials

Since Tuesday the Justice Department has received reports of violence and threats of violence against
Arab-Americans and other Americans of Middle Eastern and South Asian descents.

We must not descend to the level of those who perpetrated Tuesday's violence by targeting individuals based on their race, their religion, or their national origin.

Such reports of violence and threats are in direct opposition to the very principles and laws of the United States and will not be tolerated.

Excerpt from remarks of Attorney General John Ashcroft, September 13, 2001
Image files of this excerpt are available in Arabic, Hindi, Punjabi, and Urdu

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The Attorney General has made clear that any act of violence or discrimination against a person based on the perceived race, religion or national origin of that person is contrary to our fundamental principles and the laws of the United States. His statement is a reminder to all Americans that Americans of Arab or South Asian decent and people of the Muslim faith were also injured and killed in Tuesday's attacks. In addition, they also are -- along with other Americans -- involved in relief operations, and other efforts to alleviate suffering. Any threats of violence or discrimination against Arab or Muslim Americans or Americans of South Asian descents are not just wrong and un-American, but also are unlawful and will be treated as such.

As the Attorney General reminded us today, we must not descend to the level of those who perpetrated Tuesday's violence by targeting individuals for threats or violence based on their race, religion, and national origin. To do so would be to grant terrorists a victory they cannot - and would not - otherwise achieve. We are a great nation; we must treat one another, and others in a manner consistent with that greatness. Everything we do must reaffirm and respect the dignity, heroism and sacrifice of those who have died, lest their sacrifice be in vain.

Statement of Assistant Attorney General Ralph F. Boyd, Jr., September 13, 2001
Image files of this excerpt are available in Arabic, Hindi, Punjabi, and Urdu

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Before I spend a moment discussing the current investigation, I want to talk briefly about another area of the FBI’s responsibilities, and that relates to civil rights.

Since the horrific attacks on September 11, dozens of retaliatory hate crimes have been directed at members of the Arab-American community, including assaults, arson, threatening communications and two possibly-and I say “possibly”-ethnically motivated murders. Many of these criminal acts have been directed at Muslim houses of worship and at Muslim community centers.

I want to make it very clear: Vigilante attacks and threats against Arab-Americans will not be tolerated. We are all saddened by the recent acts of terrorism against our nation. Such acts of retaliation violate federal law and, more particularly, run counter to the very principles of equality and freedom upon which our nation is founded. The FBI and the Department of Justice are committed to aggressively investigating and prosecuting violations of the federal hate crime laws. We, to date, have initiated 40 hate crimes investigations, involving reported attacks on Arab American citizens and institutions. And we are working with the Department of Justice to review other incidents to see if federal violations have taken place. I might also add that the FBI is reaching out to leaders of the Arab American community in each of our 56 field offices across the country.

Excerpt of News Conference Remarks of FBI Director Robert Mueller, September 17, 2001

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Today we seek to meet the challenge of terrorism with the same careful regard for the Constitutional rights of Americans and respect for all human beings. Just as American rights and freedoms have been preserved throughout previous law enforcement campaigns, they must be preserved throughout this war on terrorism.

This Justice Department will never waiver in our defense of the Constitution nor relent our defense of civil rights.

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Mr. Chairman, I also want to report to you on the status of the DOJ’s activities regarding protecting the civil rights of all Americans. Since September 11, the Civil Rights Division, working closely with the United States Attorneys and the FBI, has opened over 60 investigations into acts involving force or threats of force committed in retaliation for the events of September 11. All of these acts include killings, assaults, the destruction or attempted destruction of businesses, attacks on mosques and worshipers and death threats.

The Department of Justice is firmly committed to pursuing these misguided wrongdoers vigorously. The Civil Rights Division and FBI officials have met with leaders of the Arab American, Muslim and Sikh communities and we have established in the Civil Rights Division an initiative to combat post-terrorism discrimination to ensure that all allegations of violence or discrimination are addressed promptly and effectively.

Let there be no mistake: the Department of Justice will not tolerate acts of violence or discrimination against people in this country based on their race, national origin or religion.

Excerpt of Testimony of Attorney General John Ashcroft before the
Senate Committee on the Judiciary, September 25, 2001

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It is testimony to the compassion and decency of the American people that virtually simultaneously with learning of the attacks of September 11, voices began to be raised cautioning citizens not to turn their anger and outrage over the terrorist acts against Arab-Americans and people of the Muslim faith. Americans overwhelmingly heeded this message.

In many cases, individuals have reached out to Muslims and others to reassure them that they are still welcome and valued members of their communities. I spoke with old friends today in the Muslim and Sikh community. They echoed what the vast majority of Americans understand. The nation has suffered a grave loss. Those who would express their anger through ethnically or religiously motived attacks would only compound our loss.

As President Bush, FBI Director Mueller and I have said on numerous occasions, vigilante attacks and threats against people of Arab, Middle Eastern or South Asian descent, or against those who practice the Islamic faith, will not be tolerated. Such senseless acts of brutality violate federal law, and they run counter to the very principles of equality and freedom upon which our nation is founded. They are un-American.

I am thankful to the representatives of the Arab-American, Muslim and Sikh communities who have taken the time to share their ideas and concerns with us here today. The Department of Justice is strongly committed to investigating and prosecuting violators of the federal hate crime laws.

We have established in the Civil Rights Division an initiative to combat post-terrorism discrimination by ensuring that allegations of violence or discrimination are addressed promptly and effectively. Working in tandem, the Civil Rights Division, FBI, and U.S. Attorneys' offices have opened over 170 hate crime investigations - cases involving killings, shootings, death threats, assaults, and the destruction of mosques. Two of the U.S. Attorneys involved in these prosecutions are with us today.

Francis "Jerry" Diskin, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Washington
Paul Warner, U.S. Attorney for Utah

Let there be no mistake: the Department of Justice will not tolerate acts of violence or discrimination against people in this country based on their national origin, religion, or race.

In addition to the Arab-American, Muslim and Sikh representatives here today, I am pleased to be joined by:

Ralph Boyd, Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights
Jonathan Chase, Acting Director, Community Relations Service
Bob Jordan, Section Chief, Integrity in Government & Civil Rights, Criminal Investigation Division, FBI

Thank you.

Remarks of Attorney General John Ashcroft at a meeting of
Muslim, Arab, and Sikh groups, October 16, 2001

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[Anticommie]

Postcard USA: Open Season on Islam

Thats' right! Who would agrue America would be better off without any form of Islam foreing or domestic?

[johnb838]

The day is coming, and is now here, when traitors such as yourself will indeed be hanged in the public square, and your muslime buddies along with you.

[johnb838]

The day is coming, and is now here, when traitors such as yourself will indeed be hanged in the public square, and your muslime buddies along with you.

[Jhoffa_]

I find it interesting that in answer to Islam's violence against innocents abroad, that many of my FReeper friends advocate more violence against innocents domestically.

It's a sad statement.

[Jhoffa_]

The day is coming, and is now here, when traitors such as yourself will indeed be hanged in the public square, and your muslime buddies along with you.

Suits me fine. Do it yourself for all I care.

I thought we have a Constitutional Republic here, not a nation run by murderous tyrants & knee jerking hypocrites.

Sure, do me first if you can do it legally.

[snippy_about_it]

Hey there swarthyguy, JHoffa will never get it. Instead of having him ask his "friends", have him ask the imam;

Below are links to questions already asked and answered. Be sure and read between the lines on some of them.

Welfare

Avoiding taxes

Joining the Army for the money

Running for political office

Obtaining U.S. Citizenship but not accepting oath

On killing non -muslims

On suicide bombings

On suicide bombings

On suicide bombings

On Hitler and the holocaust

On when you can kill a disbeliever

On immigration by a lie

On the 911 attack

On what to do if US attacks Iraq

On having non-muslim friends

On having non-muslims as friends

On celebrating Thanksgiving

Ask the Imam

[Jhoffa_]

You have no argument either, I suppose?

[snippy_about_it]

Do you mean do I have an argument against your statement "I have seen several of our own little FR christian jihadders calling for mass deportations and "hanging's from a street lamp" for the "crime" of being an American Muslim"?

No argument. My statement would be this. I am against any immigration of Muslims to the United States at this time while we are fighting a war on terror resulting from the attack on the United States perpetrated by muslims practicing islam.

I understand that Islams aim is to convert all non believers to Islam, or kill them. They've written it, they believe it and they've carried it out.

I am against allowing foreigners to immigrate to this country who have no intention on "becoming" American and embracing our values and upholding our Constitution.

I am against all illegal immigration of any persons. Period.

As far as American born or nationalized muslims, as long as they stand up and fight with us fine, otherwise, they are against us.

I'm still waiting for the majority here to take a stand.

Still waiting.....

Good enough answer for you?

[Jhoffa_]

Good enough answer for you?

Works for me, close to my own views actually.

[swarthyguy]

They do owe the American people an accounting based on the hospitality, tolerance and welcome offered to them.

But apart from simple human principles of dignity and fellowship to the citizens of your adopted country, there is also self preservation, venal and selfish as it is.

There is no injunction to "owe" and explanation and your forthright statement that none will be forthcoming expemplifies that arrogance and conceit better than the islamis themselves.

If push ever came to shove, would they prefer to be in the postion they're in now where people doubt their loyalty and dedication to their adopted country or one where the American people would be better convinced of their credibility as American citizens.

It's their call. Any backlash that's been repressed will have nasty consequences not only for them but for many others, including non muslims. Even Europeans, i know of a Portugese radio journalist beaten up in NY after the Attacks and even Sicilians getting into trouble.

Far be it from the mohammadans to have any sympathy for nonmussalmans, what about their own skin.

As i said, they don't see it or get it and your comments exhibit the arrogance they have of seeing themselves somehow as privilieged and outside the bounds of normal human relations.

[Teacher317]

This post:I was friends with a Muslim from Cincy, he was the plaza maintenance man. He was an all around good guy, would not hurt a fly. Helpful, polite.. I figured him for a Christian till I unknowingly offered him a piece of our pizza while he was fasting. I really think the broad brush has no place here, not domestically. When you are dealing with state sponsored terror abroad, sure.. you don't have any good options left to you. But domestically, for us to oppress an otherwise peaceful individual for their religious belief is just wrong. It's also unconstitutional.

gets THIS response:The day is coming, and is now here, when traitors such as yourself will indeed be hanged in the public square, and your muslime buddies along with you.

Looks like the terrorists have met their goal of dividing Americans and making them fight each other instead of taking on Jihadists and their supporters. I'm no big fan of many of Jhoffa's posts, but that one was rather polite, reasoned, nostalgic, and fair. When FReepers start tossing aside the Constitution to make it easier to vent our 9-11-01 rage, we're in big trouble.

[unspun]

I have seen several of our own little FR christian jihadders calling for mass deportations and "hanging's from a street lamp" for the "crime" of being an American Muslim.

I think you'd find that most of those posts come only between 0% and 99% on the serious scale. Not sure how they're arrayed, but probably skewed toward 0%. Anyone that gets above the 50's should be forced to eat falafil every day until they apologize.

[Jhoffa_]

For your benefit, I will say this as simply and as plainly as I can.

You have no right, moral, legal or otherwise to demand an accounting from anyone.

Period.

Now you may not like that, but frankly that's just the way it is. So go stew about it if you must, but that's the reality and you're just going to have to accept it.

[unspun]

#314, well said.