Postcard USA: Open Season on Islam

Daily Times [Pakistan] ^ | January 5, 2003 | Khalid Hasan

[Mrs. Obelix]

The latest insult to Islam comes in the form of a new book - "Islam Unveiled" - by Robert Spencer which rejects the thesis that Islam is a religion of peace or that it has been hijacked by a minority of extremists. It is open season on Islam in America.

[Odile]

//As far as Islamic governments and foreign terror go, I can see why Islam is so attractive to tyrants.\\

Islam IS de facto FASCISM. Islam IS Tyranny. Therefore, it has NO PLACE in the United States -- or anywhere ELSE in the West. .

Islam is not a Religion, it is a SUBVERSION.

Therefore, Islam, not being a legitimate religion by Western standards, does not qualify for the Constitutional protection that the various branches of Christianity do.

Whether you choose to recognize it or not, this was founded as a CHRISTIAN nation. And I've already seen all the classic liberal arguments against that, so please don't bother quoting them again.

Islam is POISON. it doesn't belong in our midst any more than cyanide belongs in our drinking water.

[Odile]

//We can't deport American Muslims because they Americans. As much as I don't like them near me, violating their
rights as an American citizen should not be done.\\

You are, perhaps, LEGALLY correct, but I maintain that Islam is not a legitimate religion, it is a political movement dedicated to the overthrow and destruction of everything our forefathers worked so hard -- and sacrificed so much -- to establish, build, protect and maintain. Islam, therefore, is INCOMPATIBLE with Western values and its practice should be OUTLAWED in Western societies.

Our Constitution is not a SUICIDE PACT.

//Keep an eagle eye on them, yes, because they are not to be trusted, but we can't deport real, legal American citizens.\\

Now, you're talking. I in no way advocate violence against these people. The so-called American Muslims should be given three clear choices: Either publicly abandon the practice and defense of Islam and actively join the AMERICAN culture, OR submit to being placed in well-built Detention Centers -- OR join the Moslem brotherhood in one of THEIR countries thus renouncing one's American citizenship voluntarily forever.

In case I have not been clear I would certainly advocate allowing them to take whatever rightfully belonged to them away with them. I deplore the idea of a government right to forfeiture. THAT was the REAL mistake -- and as far as I am concerned, the ONLY mistake -- we made in interning the Nisei after Pearl Harbor.

We have no right to STEAL even from our enemies, but we MUST deny them any access to the levers of political power -- and to our courts. Otherwise, we may wind up DEAD.

[Odile]

//The Islam Nut cults have been murdering Christians for centuries, the scumbags attacked our cities and stole four of our airplanes.\\

I completely agree with the thrust of your post, BUT we in the interests of fairness and Truth, we MUST acknowledge that the Mediaeval Crusades and the activities of the Conquistadores in the new World were every bit as barbaric as the Islamaniacs we face today.

Hundreds of thousands of innocent people in earlier times have been "converted" to Christianity through the torture rack or the threat of particularly brutal imminent death. Many of these poor souls were slaughtered in the name of Jesus. That this was a misinterpretation of the Christian Gospels at best provides no excuse for the role Europeans, who mistakenly called themselves Christians, have played historically.

That said, there is NO reason why Western Society today ought to permit itself to be taken over by this DEATH CULT.

Islam is not a RELIGION, it is a SUBVERSION.

[Odile]

//I got news for you buddy: They just found some 87 year old Nazi are going to strip him of citizenship and deport him. Good riddance, I say!\\


I agree with you about the Muslims 100%, but I totally disagree with you about John Demjanjuk (I presume that is who you are talking about?). Demjanjuk is no threat to ANYONE, has lived a blameless life here for many decades and has a very good American family who loves him and who has ALREADY been made to suffer unmercifully for MANY years so that certain elements may satisfy their blood lust for vengeance.

The MUSLIMS on the other hand represent an IMMEDIATE threat to the security of this country and the lives of countless thousands -- maybe MILLIONS -- of individual Americans.

You are comparing apples with peaches by bringing in Demjanjuk, who, by the way, has ALREADY been extradited to Israel tried and EXONERATED. The politically-motivated actions Ashcroft has brought against Demjanjuk, since becoming AG, qualify in my estimation as cruel and unusual punishment and is tantamount to malicious persecution.

[Odile]

//The bottom line is where are the so called peaceful Muslim leaders and why haven't they spoken out? This whole thing terrifies me.\\

A very great point! THANK YOU!

But, it doesn't "terrify" me HALF so much as it INFURIATES me.

[k2blader]

I have seen several of our own little FR christian jihadders calling for mass deportations and "hanging's from a street lamp" for the "crime" of being an American Muslim.

Would you be able to provide links? First I've heard of such posts, but then again FR is a vast cyber-landscape.

[Odile]

//. . . getting into constitutional issues (which is a monster that would threaten us all at some point) and [give rise to the issue of?]
"Thought Crimes"

We have laws against violent behavior, those are more then sufficient.\\

There's where you are wrong. These people are essentially "enemy combatants" -- or the moral equivalent of SPIES that have been planted in our midst. Their so-called "religion" is nothing more than a cloak for subversive, seditious activity.

This is not a LEGAL problem and should not be treated as such. Enemy combatants must be placed under MARTIAL Law, and ought to have NO rights whatsoever under our Civil Laws -- and CERTAINLY no access to our court system.

You must be lacking in knowledge of our history not to realize that these textbook, schoolgirlish notions of constitutionality have been firmly set aside by SEVERAL of our greatest leaders in times past when the security -- and the very LIFE -- of the United States was threatened.

Does the name Abraham Lincoln ring any bells? Some would argue today that he acted "illegally" and ought, therefore, to be discredited by historical revisionists, but the fact remains that we wouldn't HAVE the Unites States -- as we have known it -- if it hadn't been for Lincoln's firm, decisive, and decidedly EXTRA-LEGAL actions and policies.

Dire straits call for dire measures. Having the courage to act "outside the box," as it were, is one of the hall marks of greatness.

Your neat, legalistic interpretation of "proper" policy would have us all under the yoke of tyranny in a heartbeat. I wish with all my heart that G.W. Bush had the same kind of wisdom, political courage and derring do that Lincoln possessed in the nineteenth century!

[eno_]

It was not Demjanjuk I was referring to. There was another recent case. You do have to be very careful about these cases since the Soviets used disinformation about war crimes to make trouble for people they did not like. But if someone really is a Nazi, out they go.

[Odile]

//"If they don't, there's a jail cell waiting for them We have laws against this sort of thing."\\

Yes, and we might as well pass laws against cancer, strokes and heart attacks -- oh, and natural disasters too, while we're at it.

Sorry, but there are lot of exigencies that the Law just cannot cover adequately.

These prissy, schoolmarmish, idealistic notions of morality and the law could very easily get us all KILLED.

The Constitution is not a SUICIDE PACT.

[Odile]

//The price of allowing islam to fester in the US is an even uglier and far more final destruction of the US constitution. And its population as well.

That's entirely unacceptable.\\

You couldn't be more correct. Thank you.

[Auntie Dem]

No I am not wrong, you are. Any gratuitous assertion can be refuted just as gratuitously.

The Supreme Court claims they have read the Constitution, but they ruled against the Mormons anyway. Using that precedent, they should also rule against the murdering muslims relgion.

You avoided any response to the Mormon precedent. If the SC can rule it is constitutional to seize Mormon buildings, imprison them and disband their church for believing in and practicing plural marriage, why is it UNconstitutiional to seize muslim mosques, imprison Muslims and disband their church for believing in and practicing murdering non-believers? If plural marriage (a practice approved at various times by God in the Bible) is incompatible with our American society, then certainly murdering all non-muslims must also be incompatible. Using the PC petard of "fairness" would require us to apply the same "constitutional" standard to the muslims.

Face it, you're a terrorist lover. The so-called good muslims you are supporting are not innocent--they support the murder or forced conversion of all non-muslims. The fact that you happen to believe their lies to the contrary says as much about your gullibility as it does their dishonesty. Remember, their holy book says it is OK to lie to infidels.

[Odile]

//My concerns revolve around American citizens who happen to
worship Islam. I have no interest outside of that.\\

Yes. With each of your posts it becomes more and more nakedly apparent that you are nothing but an APOLOGIST for the moral poison that is Islam.

Islam is not a RELIGION, it is a SUBVERSION. It is by its very nature fundamentally anti-American. In this regard it is much like the Communist Party, which at one time was rightfully OUTLAWED in this country -- just as ISLAM should be NOW.

[Odile]

//My (ahem) "Muslim buddies" are from Ohio, in case it would aid you in targeting your paranoia.\\

You've just given us more evidence that the moral cancer that is Islam has seeped into virtually every nook and cranny of American life. What terrible news!

You, sir, are acting like just another Arab/Muslim apologist -- all of whom have come across as arrogantly offensive in their lack of sympathy for the victims of barbaric Muslim aggression and in contrition for the beastly, diabolical acts perpetrated by those who represent this so-called "religion."

Your resort to the tactics of pure legalism is characteristic of those who have perverted the SPIRIT behind our laws and Constitution and have all too successfully -- in this sadly degenerate Era of Political Correctness brought on us by Liberal Activist Judges -- used our own judiciary as weapons against us.

[Jhoffa_]

Do i know any muslims? Sheesh!.... Now let's talk about the ones you know ...from araby? From Pakistan? Ever ask them any real questions apart from singing KUmbaya together?

They are from Ohio.. Yes, the dreaded "Ohio Muslims"

Oh my..

[Jhoffa_]

Islam IS de facto FASCISM. Islam IS Tyranny. Therefore, it has NO PLACE in the United States ...

Ridiculous. Millions of American Muslims worship peacefully every, single day here..

Therefore, Islam, not being a legitimate religion by Western standards, does not qualify for the Constitutional protection that the various branches of Christianity do.

LOL! Islam has been around for thousands of years. It is constitutionally protected. You may not like that, but as far as uncle fedgov and the constitution are concerned it's every bit as "legitimate" as Christianity or Judaism.

Whether you choose to recognize it or not, this was founded as a CHRISTIAN nation. And I've already seen all the classic liberal arguments against that, so please don't bother quoting them again.

Although the United Stated was founded on judeo-Christian beliefs and precepts, it is not a lock step theocracy. The founders gave us the first amendment to protect religious freedoms from an overzealous federal government.

[Jhoffa_]

Would you be able to provide links? First I've heard of such posts, but then again FR is a vast cyber-landscape.

You can find multiple refrences to mass deportation on this thread. The "Street Lamp" comment was pulled and was from one of the first threads I actually took the time to respond to.

Just look around, re-read the thread.. There's no shortage of similar comments.

[Jhoffa_]

This is not a LEGAL problem and should not be treated as such. Enemy combatants must be placed under MARTIAL Law, and ought to have NO rights whatsoever under our Civil Laws -- and CERTAINLY no access to our court system.

LOL!

So now you support the Federal Government calling peaceful American Citizens "enemy combatants" and denying them constitutional protection... all because they choose to use their first amendment right to worship a religion with which you do not agree?

Dire straits call for dire measures. Having the courage to act "outside the box," as it were, is one of the hall marks of greatness.

Your neat, legalistic interpretation of "proper" policy would have us all under the yoke of tyranny in a heartbeat. I wish with all my heart that G.W. Bush had the same kind of wisdom, political courage and derring do that Lincoln possessed in the nineteenth century!

ROFL!

You sir, are the reason the rest of us are subjected to Dubya's "religion of peace" speeches and Ad Council commercials over and over.

He's talking to potentially dangerous and misguided people like yourself