Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

MARK STEYN: This is what happens when governments try to ban guns
The Daily Telegraph ^ | January 5, 2003 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 01/04/2003 4:22:30 PM PST by MadIvan

You would think if "gun control" was going to work anywhere it would be on a small island. Particularly a small island at whose ports of entry the zealots of HM Customs like nothing better than performing intimate cavity searches on the off-chance you've got an extra bottle of duty-free Beaujolais tucked away up there. Surely, if you also had a Walther PPK parked out of sight, these exhaustive inspectors would be the first to notice.

But apparently not. Since the Government's "total ban" five years ago, there are more and more guns being used by more and more criminals in more and more crimes. Now, in the wake of Birmingham's New Year bloodbath, there are calls for the total ban to be made even more total: if the gangs refuse to obey the existing laws, we'll just pass more laws for them not to obey. According to a UN survey from last month, England and Wales now have the highest crime rate of the world's 20 leading nations. One can query the methodology of the survey while still recognising the peculiar genius by which British crime policy has wound up with every indicator going haywire - draconian gun control plus vastly increased gun violence plus stratospheric property crime.

What happened at that party in Aston? I don't mean "what happened?" in the sense of the piercing analysis of Chief Superintendent Dave Shaw, who concluded: "There has clearly been some sort of dispute which has resulted in people coming to the premises with guns, discharging their weapons and causing this incident." You can't put anything over on these coppers, can you? But my question is directed at the broader meaning of the event. Chief Supt Shaw went on: "We have never had to deal with anything like this. In terms of the nature of the incident, it's almost unprecedented in Birmingham." He didn't quite say Birmingham is one of those bucolic tightly-knit communities where everyone in the village knows everyone else and no one locks their doors, but you get the drift: this is some sort of bizarre aberration.

I think not. When those young men decided to open fire in Birchfield Road, they were making an entirely rational decision. One reason why Chief Supt Shaw has "never had to deal with anything like this" is because Aston was long ago ceded to the gangs. And, if you can deal drugs with impunity and burgle with impunity and assault with impunity and use guns with impunity, who's to say you can't murder with impunity? The West Midlands Police have offered a reward of £1,000 for information leading to the arrest of those involved. Think about that: would you name a known gang member for a thousand quid? Once the funerals have been held and the media's moved on, the constabulary will go back to forgetting about Aston. But you'll still have to live there.

When Dunblane occurred, all of us - even, if they're honest with themselves, the shrieking hysterics baying for pointless legislation - understood it was a freak event: a nut went nuts. It happens, and, when it does, the event has no broader implications. But what happened in Birchfield Road is of wider relevance: it's a glimpse of the day after tomorrow - not just in Aston, but in Edgbaston and Solihull and Leamington Spa.

After Dunblane, the police and politicians lapsed into their default position: it's your fault. We couldn't do anything about him, so we'll do something about you. You had your mobile nicked? You must be mad taking it out. Why not just keep it inside nice and safe on the telephone table? Had your car radio pinched? You shouldn't have left it in the car. House burgled? You should have had laser alarms and window bars installed. You did have laser alarms and window bars but they waited till you were home, kicked the door in and beat you up? You should have an armour-plated door and digital retinal-scan technology. It's your fault, always. The monumentally useless British police, with greater manpower per capita on higher rates of pay and with far more lavish resources than the Americans, haven't had an original idea in decades, so they cling ever more fiercely to their core ideology: the best way to deal with criminals is to impose ever greater restrictions and inconveniences on the law-abiding.

The gangs on Birmingham's streets instinctively understand this. They know, even if the Government doesn't, that the Blairite "total" ban, which sounds so butch and macho when you do your soundbite on the telly, is a cop-out: it makes the general population the target, not the criminals. And once that happens it's always easier to hassle the cranky farmer with the unlicensed shotgun than the Yardies with the Uzis. When you disarm the citizenry, when you prosecute them for being so foolish as to believe they have a right to self-defence, when you issue warnings that they should "walk on by" if they happen to see a burglary or rape in progress, the main beneficiaries will obviously be the criminals. Aston is the logical reductio of British policing: rival bad guys with state-of-the-art hardware, a cowed populace, and a remote constabulary tucked up in bed with the answering machine on.

I see I haven't yet mentioned the touchy social factor which even squeamish British Lefties have been forced to confront: Aston is yet more "black-on-black" violence. The reason I haven't mentioned it is because there hardly seems any point. What's new? Canada also had a Dunblane-like massacre, followed by Dunblane-like legislation, and, like Birmingham, boring, bland Toronto has lately been riven by gun violence from - wait for it - Jamaican gangs. But in neither Britain nor Canada is it politically feasible to suggest that perhaps Jamaicans should be subjected to special immigration scrutiny. As it happens, that Canadian massacre, of Montreal female students 12 years ago, was committed by the son of an Algerian Muslim wife-beater, but, although we all claim to be interested in the "root causes" of crime, they tend to involve awkward cultural judgments. It's easier, like Mr Blair, just to go "total": blame everyone, ban everything.

This basic approach of addressing any cultural factors apart from the ones that correlate was pioneered by American progressives. The corpulent provocateur Michael Moore, in his film Bowling for Columbine, currently delighting British audiences, spends an entire feature-length documentary investigating the "culture" of American gun violence without mentioning that blacks, who make up 13 per cent of the population, account for over half the murders (and murder victims, too). Once you factor them out, Americans kill at about the same rate as nancy-boy Canadians.

But, as I said, it's hardly worth mentioning in relation to Britain. In my part of New Hampshire, we're all armed to the hilt and any gangster who fancied holding up a gas station would be quickly ventilated by guys whose pick-ups are better equipped than most EU armies. The right of individual self-defence deters crime, constrains it, prevents it from spreading out of the drug-infested failed jurisdictions. In post-Dunblane, post-Tony Martin Britain, that constraint doesn't exist: that's why the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea now has a higher crime rate than Harlem.

Meanwhile, America's traditionally high and England and Wales's traditionally low murder rates are remorselessly converging. In 1981, the US rate was nine times higher than the English. By 1995, it was six times. Last year, it was down to 3.5. Given that US statistics, unlike the British ones, include manslaughter and other lesser charges, the real rate is much closer. New York has just recorded the lowest murder rate since the 19th century. I'll bet that in the next two years London's murder rate overtakes it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: ban; banglist; consequences; deathcultivation; failedpolicy; guns; marksteynlist; peoplekillnotguns; results
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-120 next last
To: junta
Yes it is about time someone mentioned the demograpic breakdown of violent crime. Perhaps in the near future we can logically address the causes of violence.

No permiso.

61 posted on 01/04/2003 11:14:04 PM PST by mrustow
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee
One of the great stories out of the LA riots...was the absolute courage that Korean shop owners had. They were seen in lots of footage on the roofs of their buildings with rifles in their hands. They knew precisely what to do...simply make a presence with a weapon. They had the highground and knew simple tactics. I was surprised that the media never touched the subject throughout the entire riot. There were almost no Korean establishments burned...and you really have to ask why...and its certainly not that they were terrific neighbors. I think the intimidation on the roofs was the obvious.
62 posted on 01/04/2003 11:14:36 PM PST by pepsionice
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]

To: pepsionice
It was obvious to those with eyes, but it ran counter to the media's "guns are the root of evil" mantra, so the story was spiked.
63 posted on 01/04/2003 11:18:22 PM PST by Travis McGee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: wardaddy
No doubt. And 2003 could be the year of the earthquake, perhaps after a WMD attack on US soil.
64 posted on 01/04/2003 11:19:24 PM PST by Travis McGee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee; pepsionice
I remember film of the Koreans and Laotians firing their arms.....misted my eyes I tell ya.

Anybody who thinks John Law is gonna come running to save yer ass in a FUBAR environ is naive.
65 posted on 01/04/2003 11:38:54 PM PST by wardaddy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies]

To: pepsionice; Travis McGee
They were seen in lots of footage on the roofs of their buildings with rifles in their hands.

Favored rifle of Korean Storekeeper during LA Riots - SKS Sportster...cut to a few years later ('99) and Governer Gray-Out is in front of 101 California street (San Francisco) celebrating the signing of a new assualt weapons ban. How does he celebrate? With an SKS receiver and a cutting saw - "This weapon of war has no legitimate use in a civilized society", he intones (squeaking monotones, actually).

The sparks fly, the metal falls apart, the governer holds up the signatory pen and a chunk of worthless metal. The crowd of law enforcement grunts surrounding him (bused in for the occasion) cheer enthusiastically, and the governer has left already, on to the next fund-raising opportunity...

I watched it from a block away, the event was closed to all but police, media, and sympathisers.

66 posted on 01/04/2003 11:51:49 PM PST by no-s
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee; Squantos
Nice to see you're back and typing. I'm to bed. I'm off for a big buck manana afternoon(I only shoot does for meat and trophy bucks on principle...unless I'm really hungry). I got 2 fat does in my freezer so it's big racks only from now on till season ends next Friday.

I could not be happier with my Winchester X150 Magnum 50 cal frontloader with 209 shotshell primer. I use the 385 grain Barnes Powerbelt Copper Hollowpoints and 3/50grain Pyrodex pellets. I've got a 30MM tube Khales 1.5X6 with 42MM objective. At rest, I'm good to 200-225 or so. I heartily recommend my giddyup to any BP enthusiasts wishing to take the modern route. But...if money is no object...I'd go for a bit higher power Khales or similar high end scope.....deer are a might small at 6 power out past 200 yards. I'm centered at 1MOA at 100 yards.....at 200, I drop about 3-4 inches. Aim at the top of the whithers. Neither of my does this year have gone past 30 yards after getting hit....one was a side heart/lung and the other was a rather unwise runner who stopped and spun to take one last gander at me and caught it straight on right thru the sternum.

I'm going to the Cumberlands in February for a big boar head hunt in the thick mt brush, I'll pull out my .54 Jaeger sidehammer with 500 grain maxieminie ammo and iron sights for that.

Good Night...enough of my hunting bullshite.....

PS.....I wish I knew someone who made BP wheelgun or cylinder that used the 209 primers for ignition....they are foolproof....quite unlike #11 caps which misfire about 10-20%...and tend to flare and jam the cylinder turn.

Squantos...any ideas on that?
67 posted on 01/04/2003 11:58:05 PM PST by wardaddy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: MadIvan
Any American that isn't buying as many firearms and as much ammo that they can, while they can...cacheing them with an eye on the government...will be extremely sorry sooner rather than later. One catastrophe on American soil that leads to hard core chaos and imposed martial law...without adequate means of self-defense at our immediate disposal will be a sure death wish for family and self. A government that wishes to deprive its people of self-defense should not survive and pay dearly.
68 posted on 01/05/2003 12:26:03 AM PST by ApesForEvolution
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HHFi
GREAT post!
69 posted on 01/05/2003 12:28:42 AM PST by ApesForEvolution
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: wardaddy
IMHO the Ruger BP revolver is the best for general purpose use but I'm not sure that a No 11 nipple can be reworked /replaced on the ruger cylinder for a 209 system as the pic below shows the size difference.

I'll do some research and get back to ya.

Stay Safe !!

70 posted on 01/05/2003 12:29:00 AM PST by Squantos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: MadIvan; madfly; Poohbah; FITZ; Bill Davis FR; mhking; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Houmatt; ...
Thumpity Bang Bump
71 posted on 01/05/2003 12:37:24 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MadIvan
Looks like banning guns is not really all about stopping crime then, does it, as any grade schooler should be able to discern from the stats? And if a kid can figure that out, surely the gun-grabbers know that too.

And if it's not about stopping crime, what is it all about?Lemme guess. It's about INCREASING crime -- for whatever reason. Now what benefit would befall a government that has an increasing crime rate?

72 posted on 01/05/2003 12:42:28 AM PST by Eastbound
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Never2baCrat
You know after living in Europe in the 70's I had that same daydream of retiring to the English countryside...So civilized. Ha! I'll stay at home thank you!
73 posted on 01/05/2003 1:10:37 AM PST by lainde
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: wardaddy
Well , I looked and the single 209 ignition "handgun" I could find was the TC 209/50 magnum.

Stay Safe WD !

74 posted on 01/05/2003 1:18:31 AM PST by Squantos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: Madame Dufarge; Pokey78
<< When you disarm the citizenry, when you prosecute them for being so foolish as to believe they have a right to self-defence, when you issue warnings that they should "walk on by" if they happen to see a burglary or rape in progress, the main beneficiaries will obviously be the criminals.

Mind-boggling how the painfully obvious can be so relentlessly ignored.

[Thanks Pokes -- Bump] It's as if some mass psychosis has seized huge segments [Don't go looking -- they're not lost!] of the populace. >>

PRECISELY! -- As in: What's this, "AS IF," nonsense?

75 posted on 01/05/2003 1:30:58 AM PST by Brian Allen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: MadIvan
In Canada, the U.S., and England to name a few the gun control issue has always worn a mask. It is really about black contol, but in our increasingly PC world that admission just can't be made by elected politico's. So they attempt to restrict gun ownership to the masses, and it doesn't work.

The anti gun media goes out of the way to highlight the white male gun nut myth. You can always find a major story about the lone white gunnman on a shooting rampage or the guy that had his house raided where an arsenel was found. Meanwhile in black, minority, and immigrant communities the violent crime rages on with daily shootings and guns are as available as crack cocaine. There are thousands of these incidents every day in the U.S. inner cities, where is the media on this ?

The issue of violent crime in poor neighborhoods can not be solved by gun control. Some in LE believe their jobs can be made safer or easier if all the guns were eliminated and that may be true, but it does not make it safer for the ordinary citizens that have to live in these places. The criminals are just as much a danger to them with knives, clubs, and bare fists. A small tactical and imagined advantage to the police actually puts the citizens at higher risk.

The roots of violent crime are cultural and economic. Governments and politicos do not want to touch the solutions to the real problem because there are no easy or quick fixes. It is much easier to blame inantimate objects for societies ills.

76 posted on 01/05/2003 4:05:12 AM PST by SSN558
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: metesky
Ya, but you have to take into account the ever higher percentage of gooberment skooled and immigrants who can't read that old rag with it's funny languange, let alone understand it.

The plan continues.
77 posted on 01/05/2003 4:15:49 AM PST by Leisler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: pepsionice
One of the great stories out of the LA riots...was the absolute courage that Korean shop owners had. They were seen in lots of footage on the roofs of their buildings with rifles in their hands.

Their tactic was to fire occasional warning shots near the feet of the rioters. This works as long as you don't run out of ammo (many did and finally had to retreat -- their stores burned. Lesson learned: if you keep a gun for possible anti-riot use, always maintain at least 2,000 rounds in storage).

The advantage of a high-capacity magazine-fed rifle in a riot is obvious: no mob is going to try to rush you. This is also safer for the rioters: if you are surrounded by a mob, and only have a little bit of ammo, you can't afford warning shots -- your only hope is to figure out who the mob leaders are, and fire warning shots into their heads

78 posted on 01/05/2003 4:31:13 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

Comment #79 Removed by Moderator

Comment #80 Removed by Moderator


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-120 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson