MARK STEYN: This is what happens when governments try to ban guns

The Daily Telegraph ^ | January 5, 2003 | Mark Steyn

[mrustow]

Yes it is about time someone mentioned the demograpic breakdown of violent crime. Perhaps in the near future we can logically address the causes of violence.

No permiso.

[pepsionice]

One of the great stories out of the LA riots...was the absolute courage that Korean shop owners had. They were seen in lots of footage on the roofs of their buildings with rifles in their hands. They knew precisely what to do...simply make a presence with a weapon. They had the highground and knew simple tactics. I was surprised that the media never touched the subject throughout the entire riot. There were almost no Korean establishments burned...and you really have to ask why...and its certainly not that they were terrific neighbors. I think the intimidation on the roofs was the obvious.

[Travis McGee]

It was obvious to those with eyes, but it ran counter to the media's "guns are the root of evil" mantra, so the story was spiked.

[Travis McGee]

No doubt. And 2003 could be the year of the earthquake, perhaps after a WMD attack on US soil.

[wardaddy]

I remember film of the Koreans and Laotians firing their arms.....misted my eyes I tell ya.

Anybody who thinks John Law is gonna come running to save yer ass in a FUBAR environ is naive.

[no-s]

They were seen in lots of footage on the roofs of their buildings with rifles in their hands.

Favored rifle of Korean Storekeeper during LA Riots - SKS Sportster...cut to a few years later ('99) and Governer Gray-Out is in front of 101 California street (San Francisco) celebrating the signing of a new assualt weapons ban. How does he celebrate? With an SKS receiver and a cutting saw - "This weapon of war has no legitimate use in a civilized society", he intones (squeaking monotones, actually).

The sparks fly, the metal falls apart, the governer holds up the signatory pen and a chunk of worthless metal. The crowd of law enforcement grunts surrounding him (bused in for the occasion) cheer enthusiastically, and the governer has left already, on to the next fund-raising opportunity...

I watched it from a block away, the event was closed to all but police, media, and sympathisers.

[wardaddy]

Nice to see you're back and typing. I'm to bed. I'm off for a big buck manana afternoon(I only shoot does for meat and trophy bucks on principle...unless I'm really hungry). I got 2 fat does in my freezer so it's big racks only from now on till season ends next Friday.

I could not be happier with my Winchester X150 Magnum 50 cal frontloader with 209 shotshell primer. I use the 385 grain Barnes Powerbelt Copper Hollowpoints and 3/50grain Pyrodex pellets. I've got a 30MM tube Khales 1.5X6 with 42MM objective. At rest, I'm good to 200-225 or so. I heartily recommend my giddyup to any BP enthusiasts wishing to take the modern route. But...if money is no object...I'd go for a bit higher power Khales or similar high end scope.....deer are a might small at 6 power out past 200 yards. I'm centered at 1MOA at 100 yards.....at 200, I drop about 3-4 inches. Aim at the top of the whithers. Neither of my does this year have gone past 30 yards after getting hit....one was a side heart/lung and the other was a rather unwise runner who stopped and spun to take one last gander at me and caught it straight on right thru the sternum.

I'm going to the Cumberlands in February for a big boar head hunt in the thick mt brush, I'll pull out my .54 Jaeger sidehammer with 500 grain maxieminie ammo and iron sights for that.

Good Night...enough of my hunting bullshite.....

PS.....I wish I knew someone who made BP wheelgun or cylinder that used the 209 primers for ignition....they are foolproof....quite unlike #11 caps which misfire about 10-20%...and tend to flare and jam the cylinder turn.

Squantos...any ideas on that?

[ApesForEvolution]

Any American that isn't buying as many firearms and as much ammo that they can, while they can...cacheing them with an eye on the government...will be extremely sorry sooner rather than later. One catastrophe on American soil that leads to hard core chaos and imposed martial law...without adequate means of self-defense at our immediate disposal will be a sure death wish for family and self. A government that wishes to deprive its people of self-defense should not survive and pay dearly.

[ApesForEvolution]

GREAT post!

[Squantos]

IMHO the Ruger BP revolver is the best for general purpose use but I'm not sure that a No 11 nipple can be reworked /replaced on the ruger cylinder for a 209 system as the pic below shows the size difference.

I'll do some research and get back to ya.

Stay Safe !!

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

Thumpity Bang Bump

[Eastbound]

Looks like banning guns is not really all about stopping crime then, does it, as any grade schooler should be able to discern from the stats? And if a kid can figure that out, surely the gun-grabbers know that too.

And if it's not about stopping crime, what is it all about?Lemme guess. It's about INCREASING crime -- for whatever reason. Now what benefit would befall a government that has an increasing crime rate?

[lainde]

You know after living in Europe in the 70's I had that same daydream of retiring to the English countryside...So civilized. Ha! I'll stay at home thank you!

[Squantos]

Well , I looked and the single 209 ignition "handgun" I could find was the TC 209/50 magnum.

Stay Safe WD !

[Brian Allen]

<< When you disarm the citizenry, when you prosecute them for being so foolish as to believe they have a right to self-defence, when you issue warnings that they should "walk on by" if they happen to see a burglary or rape in progress, the main beneficiaries will obviously be the criminals.

Mind-boggling how the painfully obvious can be so relentlessly ignored.

[Thanks Pokes -- Bump] It's as if some mass psychosis has seized huge segments [Don't go looking -- they're not lost!] of the populace. >>

PRECISELY! -- As in: What's this, "AS IF," nonsense?

[SSN558]

In Canada, the U.S., and England to name a few the gun control issue has always worn a mask. It is really about black contol, but in our increasingly PC world that admission just can't be made by elected politico's. So they attempt to restrict gun ownership to the masses, and it doesn't work.

The anti gun media goes out of the way to highlight the white male gun nut myth. You can always find a major story about the lone white gunnman on a shooting rampage or the guy that had his house raided where an arsenel was found. Meanwhile in black, minority, and immigrant communities the violent crime rages on with daily shootings and guns are as available as crack cocaine. There are thousands of these incidents every day in the U.S. inner cities, where is the media on this ?

The issue of violent crime in poor neighborhoods can not be solved by gun control. Some in LE believe their jobs can be made safer or easier if all the guns were eliminated and that may be true, but it does not make it safer for the ordinary citizens that have to live in these places. The criminals are just as much a danger to them with knives, clubs, and bare fists. A small tactical and imagined advantage to the police actually puts the citizens at higher risk.

The roots of violent crime are cultural and economic. Governments and politicos do not want to touch the solutions to the real problem because there are no easy or quick fixes. It is much easier to blame inantimate objects for societies ills.

[Leisler]

Ya, but you have to take into account the ever higher percentage of gooberment skooled and immigrants who can't read that old rag with it's funny languange, let alone understand it.

The plan continues.

[SauronOfMordor]

One of the great stories out of the LA riots...was the absolute courage that Korean shop owners had. They were seen in lots of footage on the roofs of their buildings with rifles in their hands.

Their tactic was to fire occasional warning shots near the feet of the rioters. This works as long as you don't run out of ammo (many did and finally had to retreat -- their stores burned. Lesson learned: if you keep a gun for possible anti-riot use, always maintain at least 2,000 rounds in storage).

The advantage of a high-capacity magazine-fed rifle in a riot is obvious: no mob is going to try to rush you. This is also safer for the rioters: if you are surrounded by a mob, and only have a little bit of ammo, you can't afford warning shots -- your only hope is to figure out who the mob leaders are, and fire warning shots into their heads