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Second 'cloned baby' born
BBC News ^ | 01/04/03

Posted on 01/04/2003 10:31:01 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton

Saturday, 4 January, 2003, 17:07 GMT
Second 'cloned baby' born
Dr Brigitte Boisselier of Clonaid
Clonaid is linked to the Raelian sect
The group which claimed the first birth of a cloned human last week says a second such baby has now been born to a Dutch lesbian couple.

The baby girl and the mother are said to be well after the birth on Friday night.

Chief executive of the US-based Clonaid organisation Brigitte Boisselier told the French news agency the child weighed 2.7 kilograms (six pounds), but would not specify in which country the natural birth had taken place.

Sceptical international scientists are still awaiting DNA proof that the first baby - a girl named Eve - is indeed an exact genetic match of her 31-year-old American mother.

Claude Vorilhon - the spiritual leader of the Raelian Movement and founder of Clonaid
The Raelians believe humans were cloned by aliens

DNA tests that were to be carried out on that child were cancelled after the parents asked for a delay, fearing the process could reveal their identity or be used to remove the baby from their care.

Clonaid's claims have brought condemnation from religious leaders and led to renewed calls for human cloning to be banned.

Clonaid was set up by the Raelian religious sect, which believes aliens created mankind.

The head of the Raelians in the Netherlands, Bart Overvliet told Reuters news agency the Dutch woman involved in the latest birth was not a member of the sect and had got in contact with Clonaid by herself.

Clonaid has said that it is expecting a total of five cloned babies it has created.

'Abuse fears'

DNA samples due to be taken from the first baby and her mother on Tuesday were cancelled after a lawsuit was filed against the parents.

Dr Brigitte Boisselier, the scientist leading Clonaid's efforts
The parents want to remain anonymous, Ms Boisselier says
Ms Boisselier said the baby's parents may not let the test be carried out at all.

In the lawsuit filed in Miami by Florida lawyer Bernard Siegel, a court was asked to determine if the parents were fit guardians of the child.

It demands the appearance of the baby's parents in court on 22 January.

Ms Boisselier said the couple may try to remain anonymous and not subject the child to any testing.

"The parents have gone home and they just want some peace and to spend time with their child," she said.

Mr Siegel said he wanted the child to be made a ward of court because he believed that if she is indeed a clone she is being abused.

"I was concerned that, if this is true, this child is an abused child, that it could have some serious genetic, fatal problems and that the child was being exploited by Clonaid," he said.

"I perceived that this child, more than any other child in the world, needs legal protection under the United States courts."

In the cloning process, the nucleus of cell containing human DNA is transplanted into a woman's egg from which the nucleus has been removed.

Alien heritage

The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has launched an investigation into the cloning claims, even though the cloning is said to have happened outside the US.

Clonaid was founded in the Bahamas in 1997 by the man who founded the Raelians - Rael.

He is reported to have said he views cloning as a step towards reaching eternal life.



TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: clone; raelians
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To: admiralsn
> "We're Dutch and we're lesbians and we don't want any more attention focused on us at this time."

"...Every month Pink Spirit organises a tour. This is usually
done by a member who thus has an opportunity to show the
beautiful spots and routes in his or her region to
clubmembers
. In this way Pink Spirit strives to spread
activities throughout the country. ...

21 posted on 01/04/2003 11:38:46 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Andy from Beaverton
Perhaps the media should stop giving this group any press at all until they show some proof!!!!
22 posted on 01/04/2003 11:41:33 AM PST by Mixer
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To: Andy from Beaverton; knighthawk; All
The group which claimed the first birth of a cloned human last week says a second such baby has now been born to a Dutch lesbian couple.

The baby girl and the mother are said to be well after the birth on Friday night.

Uh-oh !




23 posted on 01/04/2003 11:46:21 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: ALS
Re: Coneheads. LOL !


Check this website out (turn your speakers up)....


24 posted on 01/04/2003 11:47:32 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: dennisw


25 posted on 01/04/2003 11:48:38 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: Mo1
they won't test the DNA on this baby either

Apparently they did. It is. The parent is also in trouble with Dutch anti-cloning law.

26 posted on 01/04/2003 11:50:09 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: ewing
wacko alert
27 posted on 01/04/2003 11:50:31 AM PST by latrans
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To: MeeknMing
klatu barada whatever
28 posted on 01/04/2003 11:51:00 AM PST by dennisw
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To: theFIRMbss
They're spreading something alright...
29 posted on 01/04/2003 11:51:03 AM PST by admiralsn
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To: Andy from Beaverton
Chief executive of the US-based Clonaid organisation Brigitte Boisselier told the French news agency...

Since when did the Bahamas become one of the United States?
30 posted on 01/04/2003 11:54:11 AM PST by admiralsn
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To: Andy from Beaverton
A claim of human cloning? It's been done before - Raelians '78 announcement was ruled a fraud
      Posted by MeeknMing
On 01/01/2003 5:47 AM CST


The Washington Post ^ | January 1, 2003 | The Washington Post Staff
A claim of human cloning? It's been done before '78 announcement was ruled a fraud; new case awaiting validation 01/01/2003 The Washington Post For all the speed with which science was progressing, virtually no one thought it would happen so soon. Yet there it was in huge block letters on the front page of the New York Post: The world's first human clone had been born. The next day, The Washington Post and other newspapers across the country ran with the story about the rogue scientists who had cloned a human on an undisclosed island. A spokesman connected to...

31 posted on 01/04/2003 11:55:20 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: dennisw
nickto or nicktu...
32 posted on 01/04/2003 11:56:29 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: anniegetyourgun
Second verse, same as the first.....

LOL!

33 posted on 01/04/2003 11:56:59 AM PST by EGPWS
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To: RightWhale
Apparently they did. It is.

Do you have anything to confirm this?

34 posted on 01/04/2003 12:03:42 PM PST by Balto_Boy
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To: Balto_Boy
That was reported on the news media, on-the-hour radio news, ABC, CNN, a regular news service.
35 posted on 01/04/2003 12:11:27 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
Apparently they did. It is. The parent is also in trouble with Dutch anti-cloning law.

Already?? .. wasn't this 2nd baby just born last night??

With all the problems that had just getting Dolly the sheep .. I doubt very much that they will be able to clone a humane baby with no problems

And well this group of folks .. they are way out there

36 posted on 01/04/2003 12:16:35 PM PST by Mo1
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To: RightWhale
I checked both. Nothing yet, except for the claim the child was born.
37 posted on 01/04/2003 12:18:36 PM PST by Balto_Boy
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To: Andy from Beaverton
When will the press stop giving these morons attention?
38 posted on 01/04/2003 12:19:10 PM PST by Justice
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To: Justice
When will the press stop giving these morons attention?

So, there are 3 more Raelian clones coming soon, and the Italian surgeon should be getting some results any day. There are no doubt others involved in this baby cloning. At what point should the press take an interest?

39 posted on 01/04/2003 12:23:39 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Andy from Beaverton; Cagey
This reminds me of a line from the third Austin Powers movie, where his dad says, "There are only two things in this world that I hate.....bigots, and the Dutch"........ rofl......
40 posted on 01/04/2003 12:23:42 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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