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The fall of Kabul was not and should not have been the goal. Killing the enemy was. We failed. We did not kill the enemy.

It was not over when Kabul fell. That was not the goal. It was over when the enemy finished escaping.

The war was a failure because we actively chose to fail and pretend that it was a sucess rather than risk American military lives to defend America against the terrorists that are still out there because we failed.

When another 3000 civilians are killed it will be because we were not willing to risk military volunteers that wanted to go do their job.

It was cowardice. Political cowardice of the likes of Powell. We had the ability. We chose not to use it. It will come back to haunt us.

We didn't need 100,000 to stop them from escaping but we should have been willing to use 500,000 if necessary. With hindsight it wouldn't have required more than 20,000. It doesn't mater. We wern't willing to do what was necessary to win.

We spend 350 billion on the military. If we aren't going to kill 10,000 AlQ and Taliban after they kill 3000 civilians in the US we might as well cut that budget by 75% at least.

Looks like we're not going to get the job done in Iraq either. We'll drop bombs and do just as much as necessary to get the Iraqi's to remove Sadam then we'll pretend that we won and revert to a situation that is likely to degenerate into something just as bad or worse.

Bad politicians just do what is politically expedient and don't look far enough into the future to solve difficult problems. They just look as far as the next election.

Overthrowing the Taliban and taking away a safe have for terrorists was part of the goal. In order to do that Khabul had to be taken. War is about a hell of a lot more than just killing people, one of the goals is to avoid another war, if we'd have just gone tear assing around Afghanistan killing bad guys and walked away when we were done we would have left it in the same state it was in after we helped kicked the Russians out. We saw just how great it was to leave Afghanistan a mess.

The war was a success, you're just a whining armchair goober that wants to talk down the country. If we'd have done it your way there would have been at least one maybe two more large attacks on America before we ever got troops in Afghanistan, prep time would have taken too long and the bad guys would have had all that time to use against us. We risked American military lives, we're risking them right now, people came home in bodybags and we didn't lose our resolve. WAKE UP, you're wrong.

Your Iraq comment shows just exactly how full of it you are. In Iraq we're going to be doing it your way, we just sent another 50,000 troops over. Make up your mind, how should we be fighting this? Better yet, sit down shut up and listen. We won in Afghanistan, we're going to win in Iraq and you don't know what the hell you're talking about.