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Posted on 01/02/2003 11:03:09 AM PST by hsmomx3
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To: hsmomx3
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Liberals are evil.
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posted on
01/02/2003 1:19:56 PM PST
by
moyden
To: B Knotts
Justice McReynolds was the last of the real Conservatives to leave the Federal Bench, in the days of FDR. Since then, the Left has tried to prevent anyone nearly so Conservative, ever being appointed again. (We now call their antics "Borking," but they had been going about them for a long time before the Bork debacle.)
Hopefully there would be a 5 Justice majority to defend the rights of home schoolers--if it came to that--today, but that is far from certain.
William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site
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posted on
01/02/2003 1:20:11 PM PST
by
Ohioan
To: CholeraJoe
CJ, I'd still like to know how you get to work . . .
To: CholeraJoe
So you're telling me that every homeschooler is a teacher with a college degree in education, licensed as such by the state in which the teaching takes place?No. What I'm telling you is that any parent can exceed the results obtained by your educated and certified teacher.
To: B Knotts
Thanks for the information BK.
To: LikeLight
I walk downstairs.
To: hsmomx3
I think the quality of education and the superiority of homeschooling over even the best public school "education" has been proven without question. It seems the real issue is the threat to tax dollars allotted to certain schools, or the less obvious but even more sinister agenda that would prevent any American children from being taught by any method apart from indoctrination into the new socialism that IS the government school system. After all, parents might be teaching such horribly counterproductive things as the Bible and history and government and if kids learn to honor God and to become patriots, knowing and upholding the Constitution and the Bill of Rights then it could seriously hamper the expeditious rise of socialism. Heaven forbid that children might be taught that there is right and wrong and that homosexuality isn't just a preferred and equally acceptable lifestyle or that God is greater than the almighty state and that politics isn't the be all to end all in every situation. Independent thought is a real threat to the status quo so it must be inhibited at all costs.
To: LikeLight
I think CholeraJoe objects to the few homeschoolers who themselves barely have an education beyond the 4th grade. They may not be the majority, but they do exist.
To: sweetliberty
I think the quality of education and the superiority of homeschooling over even the best public school "education" has been proven without question. So true. As Christopher Klicka said when testifying here in PA on our proposed change to the homeschooling law, "It isn't an issue of accountability, it's an issue of freedom."
Shalom.
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posted on
01/02/2003 1:34:14 PM PST
by
ArGee
To: texson66
While our building codes are for the public's and your safety ... One of the first books that opened my eyes to the nakedness of statism was Ken Hern's The Owner-Builder and the Code. A government that takes it upon itself to interfere with our right to shelter ourselves is too big.
To: CholeraJoe
It just says "provide" not "force everyone into them".
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posted on
01/02/2003 1:38:37 PM PST
by
raybbr
To: CholeraJoe
I walk downstairs. Cool! We have something in common after all! I guess that means you're not a public school teacher? (that was my theory)
. . . unless you live in the school . . .
To: CholeraJoe
So you're telling me that every homeschooler is a teacher with a college degree in education, licensed as such by the state in which the teaching takes place? Since when does "certification" equate to competence? The more "regulated" a commodity or service is, the more costly it is, and the less competetition exists to keep standards high.
Besides -- teachers come from the bottom half of the barrel, as measured by standardized tests. "Educators" come from the bottom half of that already reduced contingent.
To: CholeraJoe
Not with MY kids you dont. The government standards are MUCH TOO LOW to be acceptable to my two sons. God willing, they will never ever see the inside of a public scrool.
To: CholeraJoe
If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards. Idiot. The one thing the government DOESN'T want is for home-educated kids to exceed their wretched standards. It makes them look bad and builds an educated opposition. According to their own tests, both my kids could pass their high school equivalency exams. One is ten; the other is eight.
All they want us for is to rais their average test scores so that they can qualify for Federal Funds and they don't care what happens to my kids in the process. Leave us alone.
To: CholeraJoe
Do you have a right to remove your child's appendix because you are their parent? What makes you think that state licensure assures quality? Is the state accountable for verifying performance to standards? Or does state regulation absove practitioners of liability?
Don't believe that? Let me give you an example: Because airplanes met federal specifications there was no need for hardened cockpit doors and armed pilots on civilian passenger aircraft. Thus insurers were off the hook for the liability of a failure of that system. If it had been up to insurers to pay for the consequences, there is no way hardened doors would not have been there because the price of the insurance would have made cheesy doors not worth an extra first class seat. Had civil risk management systems been in place, 911 would have never happened.
No, regulation does more to absolve accountability and minimize quality than anything else. That's why Underwriters Laboratories works better than the DOT.
To: CholeraJoe
Break out your copy of the US Constitution, Joe, and show me the part about education being the responsibilty of the Federal Gov't. Can't find it, eh? Well, surely the Founders meant that as part of the original intent, better check the Federalist Papers, too. Surely it must be in there!
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posted on
01/02/2003 1:59:06 PM PST
by
Ignatz
To: B Knotts
Compulsory education laws were originally concieved by anti-Catholic bigots to try to undermine Catholic parents beliefs. I assume you have a reliable documented source for your revisionist history? The public education backers have been consistently anti-CHRISTIAN-school which, of course, includes Catholics.
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posted on
01/02/2003 1:59:59 PM PST
by
Dataman
To: BallandPowder
Government standards are a smoke screen for government control. Absolutely! And they should get their own academic house in order before they start to mess with the finest academic system in America!
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posted on
01/02/2003 2:02:21 PM PST
by
Dataman
To: CholeraJoe
About time. If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards. If I want to build my own house, I still need to comply with the applicable building codes.Raising and teaching my kids is not the function of our goverment. Do you think the goverment has ownership of the children? That is one of the basic principles on communism.
We by far out perform goverment standards we have every year that we have been tested. This is not about superior teaching we already do that. This is about who actually owns the children and what they are taught, nothing more nothing less.
BTW my children under goverment schools would have been in remedial classes. Under my teaching my senior in high school will graduate this year from highschool and will also graduate from a local community college with an associates degree in Biology, he will enter university as a junior. My junior in highschool could have been accepted at Juliard from the time he was 15 years old. These boys would have been lost in goverment schools and would never have had a chance to excell. But, we both know that is not what this is all about it is about who is in control not what is best for the student.
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