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States Begin Crack Down on Home Schooling
Icehouse ^ | 01/03 | unknown

Posted on 01/02/2003 11:03:09 AM PST by hsmomx3

H ome schoolers have long held the belief that if they received exemptions from the education laws being put in place at the state and federal level, they could safely teach their children at home without government interference. A good example of this is the exemption home schoolers achieved to HR 6 in 1994 and ESSHB 1209 bringing education reform to Washington State in 1993.

What home schoolers did not know, however, is that education reform was instituted to bring education into coalescence with systems governance, and under systems governance, all really does mean all ? no one can be exempted from inclusion in the system. That includes home schoolers.

Home schoolers believed the exemptions would protect them. A good example is the home schoolers in California. For years they have existed under the private schooling laws. Now, California is cracking down on home schoolers in order to bring them into the system. In other states that have home school laws, the matter of bringing home schoolers under the umbrella of systems education and government control will be as easy as requiring a certificate of mastery in order for the child to get a job, a drivers license, or go on to higher education. We are already seeing signs of that happening in Washington State. No doubt it is, or will, happen in other states with home school laws as well.

Home schoolers have not been exempted from the system, they have only been exempted from the laws putting the system in place.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: choice; constitutionlist; education; educationnews; homeschool; homeschoollist; schoolchoice
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To: CholeraJoe
Education is not a legitimate function of government.

Compulsory eduction laws were originally concieved by anti-Catholic bigots to try to undermine Catholic parents beliefs. The same tradition is carried on today as state schools try to indoctrinate children into radical environmentalism and other strange beliefs.

21 posted on 01/02/2003 12:42:13 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
"eduction" should be "education," obviously. I typo'd. :-P
22 posted on 01/02/2003 12:43:37 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: LikeLight
Education is not a Function of the Federal Government (notwithstanding the US Department thereof) but is a function of the states.
23 posted on 01/02/2003 12:44:47 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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To: CholeraJoe
...If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards....

Can you point to me anywhere in the US Constitution that education is deemed a "function" of "government," or that home-schoolers have to be dumbed down to measurements exacted by "govenment standards?" Can you point to any State's Constitution which mandates that the only educational "standards" are those defined solely by the whim of state's teachers' unions?

Point is this: homeschoolers consistently EXCEED government standards. What makes you think government bureaucrats/educrats have qualifications to stand in judgment of them, let alone attempt to try to "control" them?

24 posted on 01/02/2003 12:46:05 PM PST by Agamemnon
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To: CholeraJoe
a thorough and efficient system of public education

Now there's an oxymoron! Give me a call when they get that in place and I'll take a second look!

25 posted on 01/02/2003 12:46:30 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: CholeraJoe
As a youth, did you ever toss a skunk into your neighbor's henhouse?
26 posted on 01/02/2003 12:47:16 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: CholeraJoe; LikeLight
...it shall be the duty of the Legislature of the State to establish..

I see nowhere where it says citizens must attend, or send there children, etc. I always believed that somewhere it states the government would provide education, not that the education provided was mandatory.

I wonder has this be heard before the Supreme Court?

I guess I better start searching. BTW, I have no children and I am a product of public education.

27 posted on 01/02/2003 12:47:37 PM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: CholeraJoe
Your post #11 is non-responsive, Joe.

The issue is compulsory public education. Texas' constitution doesn't establish compulsory public education in the section you quoted.

From your posts on this thread, it appears you know little or nothing about home education. That's not a flame. I'm just reading what you've written and drawing a reasonable conclusion.

28 posted on 01/02/2003 12:49:32 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: CholeraJoe
If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards.

But homeschoolers exceed 'government standards'.

29 posted on 01/02/2003 12:50:47 PM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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To: CholeraJoe
Education is not a Function of the Federal Government (notwithstanding the US Department thereof) but is a function of the states.

In Pennsylvania, we started with a public education system for paupers in the early 1800's. Hardly anyone used it, because you had to declare yourself a pauper first. It was a matter of pride to folks in those days. I don't have a problem with some appropriate programs for those in need, but I sure as heck have a problem with programs designed for the lowest common denominator that then project their warped and distorted goals and standards onto those who don't need the programs in the first place.

30 posted on 01/02/2003 12:53:37 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: CholeraJoe
Powder..Patch..Ball FIRE!

About time. If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards

Government standards my hairy a**!

My 3 youngest children are home schooled and consistently outperform their peers in assessment testing. My oldest (who was home schooled for 7 years) is a senior with a 4.2 gpa and already has 13 hours of college credit with a 3.7 gpa.

Government standards are a smoke screen for government control.

31 posted on 01/02/2003 12:53:45 PM PST by BallandPowder
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To: snippy_about_it
In Pierce v. Society of Sisters of the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary (1925), the court ruled the Oregon Compulsory Education Act invalid.

Writing for the majority, Justice McReynolds declared that the Act "unreasonably interferes with the liberty of parents and guardians to direct the upbringing and education of children under their control."

32 posted on 01/02/2003 12:54:32 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
Education is not a legitimate function of government.

Check Article VIII of Oregon's Constitution. If you don't agree with it, find enough like minded voters and change it. Don't make ridiculous proclamations clearly not supported by any documentation.

33 posted on 01/02/2003 12:54:49 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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To: CholeraJoe
About time. If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards. If I want to build my own house, I still need to comply with the applicable building codes.

While our building codes are for the public's and your safety; governmental "education's" purpose is now to employ "educators" and produce mindless sheeple dipped in the "oil of PC" and to allow only coloring inside the lines as approved BY the government. Godless schools (unless you're a moose-limb) and tolerance of the homosexual agenda and their perversions are two such examples od "educators" "preparing" our kids for life. The ecological green weenies, anti-gun nuts, and feminist nazis are also adding their own special charms to the public schools as well. No wonder people need to teach their own kids.

My advice: don't let the government know you have children!

34 posted on 01/02/2003 12:55:53 PM PST by texson66
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To: asformeandformyhouse
But homeschoolers exceed 'government standards'.

So you're telling me that every homeschooler is a teacher with a college degree in education, licensed as such by the state in which the teaching takes place?

35 posted on 01/02/2003 12:57:30 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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To: twyn1
What the parents don't understand (but what cynical homeschoolers like me have already figured out) is that the districts are following a social plan that will provide "the state" with dumbed down but compliant "workers" who will never aspire to greatness (the "elite" group will, of course, include all children of the present educators and other "leaders")

Exactly right. When Americans find out what this really is, there will be a massive rebellion if there isn't a massive lawsuit first.

36 posted on 01/02/2003 12:57:41 PM PST by Dataman
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To: CholeraJoe
Where does it say that in that amendment that it is primarily the job of government to teach kids? Why are homeschoolers "assuming functions of government"?

The amendment simply says that government shall provide free public schools. Very well. It does not say that anyone else has to live up to their standards. It does not say that anyone has to attend these "public free schools." It does not mandate that public schools are the benchmark that homeschoolers must live up to.

37 posted on 01/02/2003 12:58:20 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Mr. Lucky
That was funny!!!

: )

38 posted on 01/02/2003 12:59:10 PM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: CholeraJoe
I don't care if it's in the Magna Carta; it is not a legitimate function of government.

It is a legitimate function of parents.

39 posted on 01/02/2003 12:59:28 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: hsmomx3
Michigan's newly elected and sworn in Born in Canada Educated at Berkley Gov. Jenny "The Broad" Granholm would support a plan to drag all those successful home schooled kids into public schools, and if she could, she would try to do it to private school kids too.

Unfortunately, Jenny The Broad was elected by a statewide margin smaller than her margin of victory in Wayne County (meaning, she was elected by Detroit and Detroit only). Fortunately, this isn't how our House and Denate members aren't elected and Republicans hold pretty solid majorities in both houses, so Jenny "867-5309" Granholm will have a pretty inneffective single term as Michigan's governor.
40 posted on 01/02/2003 1:00:29 PM PST by BaBaStooey
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