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1 posted on 01/01/2003 6:04:39 AM PST by rhema
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To: rhema
In effect, state lotteries function as a kind of stupidity tax.

And a tax on people who are poor at math.

2 posted on 01/01/2003 6:08:44 AM PST by Drango
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To: rhema
WE know better than you ignorant, unwashed masses. We will make all your choices for you. Everything which is not forbidden is mandatory. You will submit to the will of the collective... /rant
3 posted on 01/01/2003 6:13:06 AM PST by RKV
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To: rhema
Here's an interesting perspective on the System...

http://www.atrentino.com/System.html
5 posted on 01/01/2003 6:21:16 AM PST by Davis
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To: rhema
How are lotteries any worse than investing in the stock market?
6 posted on 01/01/2003 6:26:56 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: rhema
I object to the state lottery for the primary reason that it is not a proper role of government to serve as "bookie" to its citizens. I've got no problem with the legalization of privately-owned gambling establishments (and the government can collect the taxes from them) but the government should not be in the gambling business at all.

As the article points out, state lotteries give much worse odds than even that bookie down at the barber shop with the football cards. It is almost impossible to win more from a state lottery than what you sink into it. The vast majority of state lottery "winners" win anything from a free ticket to maybe $40 or $100. Of course, most people winning these prizes are spending that much on lottery tickets a month - month after month. Then you have a few winners in the $250 to $1,000 category. Again, these are usually won by people who have easily put that much money into the system several times over before they finally "won."

As for the rare million dollar winner (which is less frequent than people who have been hit by lightning), the state shamelessly parades them out to the media as willing shills to promote the ripoff that is the state lottery to give false hope to all the other suckers out there to encourage them to keep playing.

How many people do you know at work or in the family who are always buying these tickets and who pathetically spend "mentally" their million dollar winnings. They say stupid things like "When I win my million dollar Powerball prize, I'm going tell my boss to shove it! Yeah baby!"

These people, of course, are the ones who can least afford these lottery tickets. They usually do not manage their money very well and are living paycheck to paycheck. Which explains why so many lottery winners end up foolishly spending themselves back into financial ruin again anyhow. To grasp the mindset of a typical "big" lottery winner, consider that when a large prize is won, the winner has a choice of receiving a smaller lump payment up front or a annual stipend for 20 or 30 years that adds up to far more money in the long run. The winners typically opt for the lump sum in which case they get maybe half the money they would have ended up with had they selected the other option and spend it away all the quicker.

7 posted on 01/01/2003 6:35:34 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: rhema
These words stick out when I read the article. We have been saying similar things ever since Texas got a lottery. I see poor looking people buying large numbers of lottery tickets. People who can least afford them.

"The private wagering business is forced to give back approximately 90 percent of all money, State lotteries, by contrast, give back only 50 percent.

In effect, state lotteries function as a kind of stupidity tax. .....self-evidently bankrupt principle that it is the state's business to try to profit from the exploitation of human weakness.

State-run lotteries feature the worst of all worlds. ....they allow the strong to prey upon the weak, by allowing the state's tax burden to be shifted toward the poor

...state lotteries have nothing to do with any moral principle, and everything to do with the political principle that the easiest way to raise taxes is always to create a new, preferably indirect, tax on the poor."

14 posted on 01/01/2003 6:43:10 AM PST by buffyt
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To: rhema
I want to see a cartoon of a Lotto winner with a big cardboard check saying, "I want to thank all the little people."

The other night I was getting a video and passed a group of those little people standing around a scratch-off vending machine chatting about instant win strategy. "Yeah," this one woman said referring to one of the six different varieties of exactly the same thing. "I can just never win w' dis one."
21 posted on 01/01/2003 6:46:59 AM PST by aruanan
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To: rhema; OrthodoxPresbyterian; RnMomof7
State lotteries, like state cigarette taxes, fall on the portion of the populace that is least able to afford the burden

I do disagree with this article about lotteries.

1. Gambling is going to happen. It's impossible to regulate because it's too easy to create.

2. States shouldn't be in the business of running businesses....even post offices.

3. Legalize gambling and collect sales taxes.

4. I don't mind the "poor" paying taxes. It's their responsibility to do so, and it robs them of their voice if they get carried around by the rest of us. In fact, I'd argue that if someone isn't paying a fair share percentage of the tax burden, then they shouldn't be allowed to vote. (Walt Williams was arguing for dividing the dollars needed by the number of citizens as fair share. Others argue for ownership of property. I argue for fair percentage share of tax burden as the basis for the right to vote.)

24 posted on 01/01/2003 6:48:49 AM PST by xzins
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To: rhema
In effect, state lotteries function as a kind of stupidity tax.

And as Neal Boortz says, "And the ticket is your receipt."

25 posted on 01/01/2003 6:49:42 AM PST by Doctor Raoul
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To: rhema
I am opposed to lotteries on moral grounds. But I do like the fact that the lottery is the only voluntary tax we have. If people are stupid enough to participate, why not let them?

But I will also bet that if another millionaire wins the lottery, the government will soon "means test" the winnings. Which means that if you are already in the upper income bracket and do not "need" the money, you will pay most of it back in taxes. I would only be 'fair.'
28 posted on 01/01/2003 6:52:16 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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You're all missing the point.
If something is unfair to the poor the rich must subsidize it.
Those below the poverty line must recieve free lottery tickets.
We can even put a voter registration form on the back.

Do I really need a < /sarcasm>?

35 posted on 01/01/2003 6:59:50 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: rhema
In effect, state lotteries function as a kind of stupidity tax.

What's wrong with a stupidity tax? I'd be more concerned about a stupidity reward, such as our evolving socialism indulges in.

45 posted on 01/01/2003 7:15:29 AM PST by William Terrell
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To: rhema

You say this like it's a BAD thing!

So, the poor 'poor' people are the ones wasting their money; it's a 'stupidity' tax; it's a lesson in math for the numerically challenged and all of folks who 'know' better should not have let this happen.

There -- did I cover all the bases?

There is MORE going on here.

1. Socialized government spending has gotten out of hand.

2. Transfer of MORE funds from the 'producers' to the non-prodfucers may cause a backlash,

3. The 'overseers' of this monetary boondoggle have LOTS of 'free' cash to spend on perks,

4. Here is a chance to get those dollars BACK that got sent out as: Welfare, Food Stamps, WIC, Section Eight rental loot.

5. So when mama, with her 4 WIC babies in tow, pays for better food than YOU eat with FoodStamps, and then heads for the Lottery Machine with real MONEY in hand, don't blow TOO big of a fuse ranting at her: rant instead at the wonderful system we have bought ourselves.

53 posted on 01/01/2003 7:34:45 AM PST by Elsie
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To: rhema
"State lotteries, like state cigarette taxes, fall on the portion of the populace that is least able to afford the burden."

Is it because I don't buy lottery tickets and don't smoke that I have some money, or am I running so fast that the taxes don't "fall" on me? What color is the sky in your world? Voluntary taxes are only paid by the volunteers!
55 posted on 01/01/2003 7:36:40 AM PST by Fireone
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To: rhema
I know that the odds of winning are extreme – the local one is around 17 million to one.
I know that the chances of winning with one ticket are essentially the same as winning with a hundred tickets – slim to none, but there is that ever-so-slim chance of winning.
Because of that slight chance, I will buy one ticket a week when the pot gets up to around 5 or 6 $Million, that way the lump sum payoff will be over a $Million, and actually be worth while.
Do I think I’ll actually win?
Heck no, but I do have some fantastic dreams that night.
I do feel a touch of …sorrow?…anger?…sympathy?… for the people I see trying to figure out the next winning number combination, and buying tickets twenty or more at a time – thinking they will increase their odds of winning by buying a lot of tickets. I’ve even tried to explain the math of odds to some, and they would nod their heads and say they understand – then buy twenty of thirty tickets, because it gives them more chances of winning.
More very slim-to-none chances.

I don’t really like the articles I read about how State lotteries rip off the poor. It implies that someone should be allowed to step in and manage their money for them. It is along the same line of those who are against neighborhood bars – because they generally attract the lower income people, the wealthier people generally go to theme bars.
It is elitism in its purest form.

57 posted on 01/01/2003 7:45:09 AM PST by R. Scott
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To: rhema
As the article points out, state lotteries give much worse odds than even that bookie down at the barber shop

Aside from that, ponder these facts about the latest powerball hoopla [figures are rough...but it serves the point]:

All Players All Income 787.00 Million
Avg Income Tax [20%] -157.50

State Lottery Income 630.00

State Lottery Gross Profit -315.00
State Lottery Penalty -145.00
State/Fed Tax 33.5% -57.00

Winners proceed 113.00
Winners proceed as % %14.30

Government proceeds 674.00 Million

In my opinion the biggest story about the latest Lotto craze was untold. From sweat to ticket, Americans shelled out approximatley 787 Million dollars into this ponzi scheme. The government kept 674 Million by virtue of their monopoly.

And to add insult to injury, If the winner was to die, the governement would take yet another 56.5 Million dollars from the family.

I don't know about you guys, but I really think that this country is screwed if we cant see the injustice in our present governemnt...pretty sad...

59 posted on 01/01/2003 7:57:04 AM PST by antaresequity
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LOL! A Communist rag like this one, whining about redistribution of income...!
76 posted on 01/01/2003 9:51:35 AM PST by pabianice
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To: rhema
The state-funded lotteries should be privatized. Let the market run the lotteries.
77 posted on 01/01/2003 10:21:45 AM PST by Sparta
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