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Do Moslems, Christians and Jews Believe in the Same God?"
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | November 29, 2002 | Serge Trifkovic

Posted on 12/30/2002 6:04:44 AM PST by SJackson

One in a series of excerpts adapted by Robert Locke from Dr. Serge Trifkovic’s new book, The Sword of the Prophet: A Politically-Incorrect Guide to Islam

One of the clichés endlessly repeated by those who would conceal the dangerous potentialities inherent in Islam is that Moslems "believe in the same God" as Christians and Jews. But this is a severe distortion of the truth, for what Moslems fundamentally believe is that they know the true nature of the God that Judaism and Christianity tell lies about. Lies for which Christians and Jews will be punished in hell. The fact that Moslems share Levantine monotheism with us thus makes them more, not less, antagonistic to us on a religious level. Hopes for reconciliation on the grounds of common monotheism, as opposed to a realistic "good fences make good neighbors" civilizational détente, are wishful thinking.

The widespread belief in the non-Muslim world that Islam accords respect to the Old Testament and the Gospels as steps in progression to Mohammad’s revelation is mistaken. Modern Muslim apologists try to stress the supposed underlying similarities and compatibility of the three faiths, but this is not the view of orthodox Islam. Muhammad’s insistence that there is a heavenly proto-Scripture and that previous "books" are merely distorted and tainted copies sent to previous nations or communities means that these scriptures are the "barbarous Koran" as opposed to the true, Arabic one. (Let’s leave aside for a minute the puzzling question of how any degree of "distortion" of the Koran could produce either an Old or a New Testament.) The Tradition also regards the non-canonical Gospel of Barnabas, and not the New Testament, as the one that Jesus taught. The Koran alone is the true word of God and sets aside all previous revelations.

While the influence of orthodox Christianity upon the Koran has been slight, apocryphal and heretical Christian legends are the second most important original source of Islam. In other words, Islam contains an awful lot that Christians have deliberately rejected over the years as religiously unsound. There are also influences of Sabaism, of Zoroastrianism, and of ancient Arabian paganism, including the divine sanction for the practices of polygamy and slavery. The reports in both the Koran and the Hadith (authoritative traditional sayings) concerning paradise, the houris, (virgins) the youths, the jinn (genies) and the angel of death have been directly taken from the ancient books of the Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism also originated the story that on the Day of Judgment all people will have to cross a bridge stretched across hell leading to paradise on which the unbelievers will stumble and fall down to hell.

The biblical stories been passed on to Muhammad presumably from Jewish and Christian sources, but it is probable that he never read the Old or the New Testament. Those narratives had deeply impressed him, but being incomplete and imprecise, they gave his imagination free rein. Of the books of the Old Testament he knew only of the Torah or Pentateuch and the Book of Psalms, while the Scriptures he treats collectively as "the Gospels." Muhammad took these narratives as they were given to him, and their use in the Koran amounts to random, approximate and often badly misunderstood reproduction of the Talmudic traditions and the Apocrypha. Moreover, they are of course devoid of their original contexts and of the spiritual message of the original.

Many Old Testament stories are changed beyond recognition, and can be treated as a "source" only in the most general sense. Abraham did not offer Isaac, but Ishmael, as a sacrifice. "Haman" was pharaoh’s chief minister, even though the Haman known to Jews lived in Babylon one thousand years later. Moses was picked from the river not by his sister but by his mother. A Samaritan was the one who molded the golden calf for the children of Israel and misguided them, even though Samarians arrived only after the Babylonian exile. The accounts of Moses’ life are sketchy and say nothing of his character, descent, the time he was sent as a prophet, the purpose of his mission, and where, how and why he appointed Aaron as his deputy. It does not relate the argument between them and the people of Israel, which is crucial to the story. The story of Noah reflected Muhammad’s dilemmas and difficulties rather than Noah’s mission, and even the names of the idols that Noah warns against are Arabic.

The Koran makes reference to Jesus, Mary and events related to them, but with a critical distinction. It explicitly denies that Jesus was crucified: Allah made the Jews so confused that they crucified somebody else instead who had the likeness of Christ: "They slew him not nor crucified but it appeared so unto them." Muslims claim that an impostor by the name of Shabih was crucified, and he resembled Jesus in his face only. It seems illogical to those who count "proud" as one of the "99 most beautiful names of Allah" that Jesus, who was capable of raising the dead and of healing the blind and the leper, willingly submitted to the cross and failed to destroy the Jews who intended to hurt him. Islam rejects the whole concept of the crucifixion, claiming that it is against reason to assume that Allah would not forgive man’s sins without the cross: to say so is to limit his power: "He forgives whom he will, and he chastises whom he will."

The denial of the Trinity is also explicit: Allah begets not, i.e. he is no Father; and was not begotten, that is, he is no Son; and no one is like him, which means he is no Holy Spirit. "They are infidels who say, Allah is the third of three." But "Isa" is not the Son of Allah, only a special prophet, and the Christians’ contrary claim shows how they are perverted. The Christians are guilty of blasphemy because of their belief in the "trinity" of Allah, Mary, and Jesus. The "real" Jesus was a righteous prophet and a good Muslim who paved the way for the final prophet, Muhammad himself.

There is a wishful myth in circulation among liberals that Islam accords respect to all "people of the book," i.e. Christians and Jews in addition to Moslems. While Islam indeed accords them a higher standing than it does to polytheists like Hindus (pace the question of whether Hinduism properly understood is truly polytheistic) or African animists, this hardly amounts to respect. Of all the "people of the book" only Muslims can attain salvation. Jews’ and Christians’ refusal to acknowledge Mohammed as the messenger of God dooms them to unbelief and eternal suffering after death. Christians are mortal sinners because of their belief in the divinity of Christ, and their condemnation is irrevocable: "God will forbid him the garden and the fire will be his abode."

Unlike the Christian faith in God revealing Himself through Christ, the Koran is not a revelation of Allah – a heretical concept in Islam – but the direct revelation of his commandments and the communication of his law. It has been said that the Koran, to a Muslim, is not the perfected Gospel, it Christ, the Word Incarnate. This is a somewhat tenuous metaphor, however, not a valid parallel: Christian God "comes down" and seeks man because of His fatherly love. The Fall cast a shadow, the Incarnation makes reconciliation possible. Allah, by contrast, is cold, haughty, unpredictable, unknowable, capricious, distant, and so purely transcendent that no "relationship" is possible. He reveals only his will, not himself. Allah is "everywhere," and therefore nowhere relevant to us. He is uninterested in making our acquaintance, let alone in being near to us because of love. We are still utterly unable to grasp his purposes and all we can do is what we have to do, to obey his command.

The Koran claims to be the fulfillment of a religious design which was imperfectly revealed to the Jews and to the Christians. It is the crowning synthesis, the final word. But viewing the matter objectively, leaving aside for a moment the question of the actual truth of the book, it seems hard to see how the Koran is a synthesis of anything. The way in which Christianity makes sense – again, simply as a logical matter and leaving aside the truth of it – as a fulfillment of Judaism, is clear even to the unbeliever. But the Koran’s claim is singularly implausible. Non-Muslim commentators fail to see in what way is the Koran an improvement over, or advancement on, the moral teaching, language, style, or coherence of the Old and New Testament. It is looks, feels, sounds like a construct entirely human in origin and intent, clear in its earthly sources of inspiration and the fulfillment of the daily needs, personal and political, of its author.

Finally, one cannot ignore that whatever mildly friendly things the Koran may say about Judaism and Christianity in its early part, the late Surras also signify the final break with the Jews and Christians, who are fiercely denounced. The Muslims must be merciless to the unbelievers but kind to each other. "Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them." War, not friendship, is mandatory until Islam reigns everywhere. Muslims are ordered to fight the unbelievers, "and let them find harshness in you." They must kill the unbelievers "wherever you find them." The punishment for resistance is execution or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides. By the stage in his life during which these Surras were written, Muhammad was no longer trying to convert his hearers by examples, promises, and warnings; he addresses them as their master and sovereign, praising them or blaming them for their conduct, giving laws and precepts as needed. His raw dogmatism stands, finally, naked of all pretence.

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Serge Trifkovic received his PhD from the University of Southampton in England and pursued postdoctoral research at the Hoover Institution at Stanford. His past journalistic outlets have included the BBC World Service, the Voice of America, CNN International, MSNBC, U.S. News & World Report, The Washington Times, the Philadelphia Inquirer, The Times of London, and the Cleveland Plain Dealer. He is foreign affairs editor of Chronicles.


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To: SJackson
The Koran is a hotpotch of often contradicting stories and alogories. Interesting it is written in different styles and changes enphasis halfway through. This suggests it was written or at least compiled by many hands.

The article in this thread is however misleading because there are many different beliefs that one may generally refer to as islam that adhere to completely different interpretation of what we commonly refer to as the Koran. For instance Yezidis have an interesting view as to lucifer's role in the scheme of things, ie he created the world - which explains its imperfection. In this religion Satan is something of a wise and genteel being, somewhat at odds to our own view. The broadly follow a similar scripture to the Jews, yet by the same token revere Mohammed as a prophet. Interestingly Christ does not rate a mention in their beliefs. Are they Muslims?

Then we get onto Druze. This is a most honourable offshoot of Islam. Both the Koran and the Christian Bible are considered holy text. This duality allows the adherance to Christian Eucharist and Muslim Prayer.

Furthermore much of what we believe to be unadulterated dogma of our Judaeo-Christian scripture is infact plaigerised from more ancient sources. Notably the Ten Commandments were lifted virtually unchanged from the Egyptian book of the dead. One can only assume the Pharoah's copyright lawyers were not up to much!

In my opinion, and it is only an opinion, I believe that who or what wrote your religious text is irrelevant. What is important is how the message is interpreted and passed on to the adherents. It is seemingly this where the Islamic leader are failing. Personally I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with Islam. It seems however that the problem lies in the rather radical message infered by the two main sects. The Druze do not seem to have any problems both adhering to the Laws of Islam and living peacably in Israel.
21 posted on 12/30/2002 7:16:13 AM PST by Yaron
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To: 1stFreedom
How can the same God lie to some while telling the truth to others? You think just like a liberal. As so many liberals think you can bargain with a liar, you think Islam is worshipping a truthful God. You are lost in the sea of stupidity. Satan has confused the masses by polluting the earth with his lies. He has created many religions to confuse the weak minded. You have fallen into his trap.
22 posted on 12/30/2002 7:16:32 AM PST by bmwcyle
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To: SJackson
JOKE

CHRISTIAN: God sent his only Son to die for you.

MUSLIM: God expects your only son to die for Him.

JEWISH: God help your only son if he doesn't make it into medical school.

23 posted on 12/30/2002 7:16:58 AM PST by yankeedame
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To: tutstar
You are correct. The only God there is, is the one that created the earth, regardless of what anyone believes.
24 posted on 12/30/2002 7:18:37 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Yaron
Here is an interesting link to Druze.

http://altreligion.miningco.com/library/faqs/bl_druze.htm
25 posted on 12/30/2002 7:19:26 AM PST by Yaron
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To: TheBattman
I am not familiar enough with the bible to make comments on it.
26 posted on 12/30/2002 7:20:28 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: SJackson
Islam rejects the whole concept of the crucifixion, claiming that it is against reason to assume that Allah would not forgive man’s sins without the cross: to say so is to limit his power: "He forgives whom he will, and he chastises whom he will."

But has not the power to forgive anyone who refuses to acknowledges Mohammed as the messenger of God?

Of all the "people of the book" only Muslims can attain salvation. Jews’ and Christians’ refusal to acknowledge Mohammed as the messenger of God dooms them to unbelief and eternal suffering after death.

27 posted on 12/30/2002 7:21:06 AM PST by DManA
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To: 1stFreedom
So, yes, we believe in the same God. We just have different beliefs about what that God consists of (attributes, teachings, etc.)

For some reason your post reminded me of Bill Clinton saying his "depends on what the meaning of is is" line:)

I don't have any problem with anyones "God" that they wish to follow unless the "clerics" that represent that "God" hear "him" saying in their ears: "See those folks over there? Go kill them". It seems safe to say that anyone that thinks their "supreme being" is instructing them to kill others then their idea of god is that they themselves are god. And have the power of life and death.

Take "Allah" for example. As described by the clerics and followers of Islam it would appear that "Allah" is sitting somewhere with his TV remote watching the scene from the Godfather over and over where Sonny is machine gunned next to the toll booths and "Allah's" comment is "see, now that's what I have in mind!" If that's the case then is "Allah" the same God I worship? I don't think so.

28 posted on 12/30/2002 7:22:56 AM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: isthisnickcool
Is the God of the Jews is the same God of the Christians? Is the God of the Mormons is the same God of the Christians? My answer is NO. The same as the God of the Buddhists, or the Hindus, the Bahai.....

Fundamentally, every religion MUST assert itself to be the true path, otherwise, it would not survive. It is similar to a football team that goes around saying that they are bunch of wimps, and the all other teams are better? How many fans can they gather? The question here must be, regardless what God or set of beliefs a person has, a religion MUST not preach killing others who don't believe in the same dogma. People MUST be free to practice whatever faith, and convert to whatever faith without fears. All religious leaders must recognize the power of religion zealotry, and be careful to teach coexistence. In my church for example, there was never ever a discussion of political issues. Also there was never, ever incitement to hate other faiths. Hence, people go on with whatever theological dogma and tradition they have, and respect others who may have different way of doing things. My priest said: You can only go to heaven through Jesus. Good for me! That Hindu guy I work with, he can go to heaven too if he believe in Jesus, or simply go to hell. Well, if his religious dogma is say, if you eat beef you go to hell, he may think of me that I am going to hell? The fact is no one know for sure who is right and who is wrong. I am going to eat meat, and take a chance on burning to eternity for not following the Hindus dogma, and he is going to be vegetarian, and take a chance on that Jesus believing thing? At the end, we must recognize that Islam must be reformed to comply with these fundamental requirements for a civilized society. If its leaders and followers refuse to reform, it must be banned from civilized countries. Its adherents must not be a allowed free travel, or be accepted among the rest of the peace loving beings.

29 posted on 12/30/2002 7:24:05 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: tutstar
Just a nit. 360 degrees is full circle, taking you right back to where you started. Try 180 degrees.
30 posted on 12/30/2002 7:24:39 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Jimer
Zotz? Isn't that the god of zapped FReeRepublic posts?
31 posted on 12/30/2002 7:26:20 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: SJackson
Lets hope that God believes in us.
32 posted on 12/30/2002 7:31:14 AM PST by Captain Shady
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To: isthisnickcool
The clerics, of any religion, are appointed by man, not God. The problems you have, are with men that say they are acting for God.
33 posted on 12/30/2002 7:32:46 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: SJackson
Allah doesn't exist. Allah is really Al-Ilah - the moon god from the 360-god 7th century arabian pagan pantheon of gods. Al-Ilah had a wife, the sun, and two daughters (stars). The Kaba'a was there before Allah was invented by Mohammed. Moon good idols have been found by archeologists that prove these points. Allah was merely the chief god of many gods. What happened to his wife and daughters?

The Koran contradicts the bible at every turn. It is not compatible with real scripture. Allah is a false god and Islam is a satanic cult.

34 posted on 12/30/2002 7:35:24 AM PST by exmarine
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To: 1stFreedom
Remember, the description of what you believe God is does not DEFINE what God really is. WE, as created beings, DO NOT CREATE GOD BY OUR OWN DEFINITION.

Well put.

35 posted on 12/30/2002 7:42:25 AM PST by ChuxsterS
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To: stuartcr; 1stFreedom
"There is only one God, for everyone."

Of course there is only one God, for everyone. But the moslems do not know him or acknowledge him or worship him. The allah that the muslems refer to is not he. Quite the contrary, God encompasses all good in the world, while allha encompasses all evil.
36 posted on 12/30/2002 7:43:00 AM PST by babygene
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To: chilepepper
"...the paths to the Creator are legion and different for every person."

Yes, the exact opposite of one-size fits all.

IF God exists (and I believe He does), then there is only one Supreme Being, Creator etc. or He wouldn't be God. All of these differences, attributes etc. are simply imperfect man's interpretation of God.

37 posted on 12/30/2002 7:43:11 AM PST by Let's Roll
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
ok....LOL Blondes should have more coffee before posting!
38 posted on 12/30/2002 7:48:26 AM PST by tutstar
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To: babygene
I don't believe that anyone knows God, whether Christian, Hebrew, Muslim, Hindu, etc., they just have faiths that differ. When someone prays to God, I believe that God hears, regardless of the name given to Him. I also believe that since He is all-powerful and all-knowing, God encompasses both good and evil.
39 posted on 12/30/2002 7:48:59 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
I guess you can believe what you want... I'm teling you the way it is.
40 posted on 12/30/2002 7:51:07 AM PST by babygene
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