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Do Moslems, Christians and Jews Believe in the Same God?"
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | November 29, 2002 | Serge Trifkovic

Posted on 12/30/2002 6:04:44 AM PST by SJackson

One in a series of excerpts adapted by Robert Locke from Dr. Serge Trifkovic’s new book, The Sword of the Prophet: A Politically-Incorrect Guide to Islam

One of the clichés endlessly repeated by those who would conceal the dangerous potentialities inherent in Islam is that Moslems "believe in the same God" as Christians and Jews. But this is a severe distortion of the truth, for what Moslems fundamentally believe is that they know the true nature of the God that Judaism and Christianity tell lies about. Lies for which Christians and Jews will be punished in hell. The fact that Moslems share Levantine monotheism with us thus makes them more, not less, antagonistic to us on a religious level. Hopes for reconciliation on the grounds of common monotheism, as opposed to a realistic "good fences make good neighbors" civilizational détente, are wishful thinking.

The widespread belief in the non-Muslim world that Islam accords respect to the Old Testament and the Gospels as steps in progression to Mohammad’s revelation is mistaken. Modern Muslim apologists try to stress the supposed underlying similarities and compatibility of the three faiths, but this is not the view of orthodox Islam. Muhammad’s insistence that there is a heavenly proto-Scripture and that previous "books" are merely distorted and tainted copies sent to previous nations or communities means that these scriptures are the "barbarous Koran" as opposed to the true, Arabic one. (Let’s leave aside for a minute the puzzling question of how any degree of "distortion" of the Koran could produce either an Old or a New Testament.) The Tradition also regards the non-canonical Gospel of Barnabas, and not the New Testament, as the one that Jesus taught. The Koran alone is the true word of God and sets aside all previous revelations.

While the influence of orthodox Christianity upon the Koran has been slight, apocryphal and heretical Christian legends are the second most important original source of Islam. In other words, Islam contains an awful lot that Christians have deliberately rejected over the years as religiously unsound. There are also influences of Sabaism, of Zoroastrianism, and of ancient Arabian paganism, including the divine sanction for the practices of polygamy and slavery. The reports in both the Koran and the Hadith (authoritative traditional sayings) concerning paradise, the houris, (virgins) the youths, the jinn (genies) and the angel of death have been directly taken from the ancient books of the Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism also originated the story that on the Day of Judgment all people will have to cross a bridge stretched across hell leading to paradise on which the unbelievers will stumble and fall down to hell.

The biblical stories been passed on to Muhammad presumably from Jewish and Christian sources, but it is probable that he never read the Old or the New Testament. Those narratives had deeply impressed him, but being incomplete and imprecise, they gave his imagination free rein. Of the books of the Old Testament he knew only of the Torah or Pentateuch and the Book of Psalms, while the Scriptures he treats collectively as "the Gospels." Muhammad took these narratives as they were given to him, and their use in the Koran amounts to random, approximate and often badly misunderstood reproduction of the Talmudic traditions and the Apocrypha. Moreover, they are of course devoid of their original contexts and of the spiritual message of the original.

Many Old Testament stories are changed beyond recognition, and can be treated as a "source" only in the most general sense. Abraham did not offer Isaac, but Ishmael, as a sacrifice. "Haman" was pharaoh’s chief minister, even though the Haman known to Jews lived in Babylon one thousand years later. Moses was picked from the river not by his sister but by his mother. A Samaritan was the one who molded the golden calf for the children of Israel and misguided them, even though Samarians arrived only after the Babylonian exile. The accounts of Moses’ life are sketchy and say nothing of his character, descent, the time he was sent as a prophet, the purpose of his mission, and where, how and why he appointed Aaron as his deputy. It does not relate the argument between them and the people of Israel, which is crucial to the story. The story of Noah reflected Muhammad’s dilemmas and difficulties rather than Noah’s mission, and even the names of the idols that Noah warns against are Arabic.

The Koran makes reference to Jesus, Mary and events related to them, but with a critical distinction. It explicitly denies that Jesus was crucified: Allah made the Jews so confused that they crucified somebody else instead who had the likeness of Christ: "They slew him not nor crucified but it appeared so unto them." Muslims claim that an impostor by the name of Shabih was crucified, and he resembled Jesus in his face only. It seems illogical to those who count "proud" as one of the "99 most beautiful names of Allah" that Jesus, who was capable of raising the dead and of healing the blind and the leper, willingly submitted to the cross and failed to destroy the Jews who intended to hurt him. Islam rejects the whole concept of the crucifixion, claiming that it is against reason to assume that Allah would not forgive man’s sins without the cross: to say so is to limit his power: "He forgives whom he will, and he chastises whom he will."

The denial of the Trinity is also explicit: Allah begets not, i.e. he is no Father; and was not begotten, that is, he is no Son; and no one is like him, which means he is no Holy Spirit. "They are infidels who say, Allah is the third of three." But "Isa" is not the Son of Allah, only a special prophet, and the Christians’ contrary claim shows how they are perverted. The Christians are guilty of blasphemy because of their belief in the "trinity" of Allah, Mary, and Jesus. The "real" Jesus was a righteous prophet and a good Muslim who paved the way for the final prophet, Muhammad himself.

There is a wishful myth in circulation among liberals that Islam accords respect to all "people of the book," i.e. Christians and Jews in addition to Moslems. While Islam indeed accords them a higher standing than it does to polytheists like Hindus (pace the question of whether Hinduism properly understood is truly polytheistic) or African animists, this hardly amounts to respect. Of all the "people of the book" only Muslims can attain salvation. Jews’ and Christians’ refusal to acknowledge Mohammed as the messenger of God dooms them to unbelief and eternal suffering after death. Christians are mortal sinners because of their belief in the divinity of Christ, and their condemnation is irrevocable: "God will forbid him the garden and the fire will be his abode."

Unlike the Christian faith in God revealing Himself through Christ, the Koran is not a revelation of Allah – a heretical concept in Islam – but the direct revelation of his commandments and the communication of his law. It has been said that the Koran, to a Muslim, is not the perfected Gospel, it Christ, the Word Incarnate. This is a somewhat tenuous metaphor, however, not a valid parallel: Christian God "comes down" and seeks man because of His fatherly love. The Fall cast a shadow, the Incarnation makes reconciliation possible. Allah, by contrast, is cold, haughty, unpredictable, unknowable, capricious, distant, and so purely transcendent that no "relationship" is possible. He reveals only his will, not himself. Allah is "everywhere," and therefore nowhere relevant to us. He is uninterested in making our acquaintance, let alone in being near to us because of love. We are still utterly unable to grasp his purposes and all we can do is what we have to do, to obey his command.

The Koran claims to be the fulfillment of a religious design which was imperfectly revealed to the Jews and to the Christians. It is the crowning synthesis, the final word. But viewing the matter objectively, leaving aside for a moment the question of the actual truth of the book, it seems hard to see how the Koran is a synthesis of anything. The way in which Christianity makes sense – again, simply as a logical matter and leaving aside the truth of it – as a fulfillment of Judaism, is clear even to the unbeliever. But the Koran’s claim is singularly implausible. Non-Muslim commentators fail to see in what way is the Koran an improvement over, or advancement on, the moral teaching, language, style, or coherence of the Old and New Testament. It is looks, feels, sounds like a construct entirely human in origin and intent, clear in its earthly sources of inspiration and the fulfillment of the daily needs, personal and political, of its author.

Finally, one cannot ignore that whatever mildly friendly things the Koran may say about Judaism and Christianity in its early part, the late Surras also signify the final break with the Jews and Christians, who are fiercely denounced. The Muslims must be merciless to the unbelievers but kind to each other. "Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them." War, not friendship, is mandatory until Islam reigns everywhere. Muslims are ordered to fight the unbelievers, "and let them find harshness in you." They must kill the unbelievers "wherever you find them." The punishment for resistance is execution or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides. By the stage in his life during which these Surras were written, Muhammad was no longer trying to convert his hearers by examples, promises, and warnings; he addresses them as their master and sovereign, praising them or blaming them for their conduct, giving laws and precepts as needed. His raw dogmatism stands, finally, naked of all pretence.

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Serge Trifkovic received his PhD from the University of Southampton in England and pursued postdoctoral research at the Hoover Institution at Stanford. His past journalistic outlets have included the BBC World Service, the Voice of America, CNN International, MSNBC, U.S. News & World Report, The Washington Times, the Philadelphia Inquirer, The Times of London, and the Cleveland Plain Dealer. He is foreign affairs editor of Chronicles.


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To: ArGee
My desire has nothing to do with whether something is true or not. With the help of God, is how I have formulated my beliefs.
201 posted on 12/31/2002 7:33:50 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
My desire has nothing to do with whether something is true or not. With the help of God, is how I have formulated my beliefs.

I understand. And I surely hope it was G-d you were listening to and not an imposter.

Shalom.

202 posted on 12/31/2002 8:27:08 AM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Absolutely. The best kind of tolerance is of views with which we strongly disagree. A tolerant person does not automatically become a person without opinions, preferences, or ideas of his own. Now, we should not tolerate everything, just as much as we can while living in a reasonable society. If John wants to sacrifice roosters to his god and smear his face with the blood, I'm disgusted but I think I can tolerate that. If John believes his religion requires that he strap explosives to his chest and kill innocent people for his god, that crosses the line.
203 posted on 12/31/2002 10:03:12 AM PST by maro
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To: 1stFreedom
Not necessarily. Let's say that I believe that the founder of Rome was a tall, blond Scandinavian guy named Sven who had a limp. You believe that Rome was founded by a short dark-haired guy named Jim who was left-handed and squinted. Mary swears that Rome was founded by Napoleon. We each believe in one founder, so it could be said that we all believe in the Founder of Rome. But what does that really mean? Isn't this just a trick of nominalization? What about Alice, who goes by the traditional account, and says that Romulus and Remus founded Rome? Since her account has TWO founders, I guess we have to agree that she DOES NOT believe in a Founder of Rome. So what? Isn't what is really important the specifics of what each person believes, and whether that belief is well-founded or true?
204 posted on 12/31/2002 10:13:33 AM PST by maro
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To: ArGee
Jesus said,
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
And I shall give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
I and My Father are one.

(John 10:27,28, + 30)

It is not possible to deny Christ, but still believe in God as He is found in the Bible. Jesus Himself says that They are one and the same.

205 posted on 12/31/2002 10:19:38 AM PST by Gargantua
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To: sparkydragon
"Ever notice that when it is claimed that Jesus is the Son of God Jesus himself is never quoted as saying so?"

Jesus said,
"...do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I [Jesus] said, 'I am the Son of God?'"

Perhaps you missed this part when you read the Bible. Book of John, Chapter 10, Verse 36.

206 posted on 12/31/2002 10:31:53 AM PST by Gargantua
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To: maro
>>Not necessarily.....so it could be said that we all believe in the Founder of Rome.

Sure. But the question of who founded Rome in your example is one of distinct, separate, tangible people. When talking about God, your argument is not applicable since the point of reference is the single supreme Being, not several different Beings. Kinda like describing my attributes, wrong or not, you are describing 1stFreedom, not multiple people.

>But what does that really mean? Isn't this just a trick of nominalization? What about Alice, who goes by the traditional account, and says that Romulus and Remus founded Rome? Since her account has TWO founders, I guess we have to agree that she DOES NOT believe in a Founder of Rome.

True, she would not believe in THE founder of Rome. She would believe in founderS of Rome. Polyfoundism. LOL!

>> So what? Isn't what is really important the specifics of what each person believes, and whether that belief is well-founded or true?

Sure the specifics are important. And yes, it does matter about beliefs. Not all the beliefs are true or equal.

One supreme Being is one one point of focus. Multiple founders of Rome are different points of focus. It's not applicable.
207 posted on 12/31/2002 10:32:28 AM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: SJackson
Nope
208 posted on 01/02/2003 3:38:38 AM PST by Michael2001
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To: Gargantua
True, but it is quite possible, and common, to deny Christ, believe in God, and not believe in the bible.
209 posted on 01/02/2003 6:23:14 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Gargantua
It is not possible to deny Christ

But is it not possible to misunderstand some details about who G-d or Christ is?

I knew one pastor who used to say, "Well, we'll know we got salvation by faith right when we wind up in heaven. For everything else we believe, I'm sure the first words we here will be, 'The classroom is over there.'"

Shalom.

210 posted on 01/02/2003 9:19:52 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Gargantua
..a belated "Thanks!"
211 posted on 01/10/2003 9:50:44 AM PST by kinsman redeemer
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To: stuartcr
"True, but it is quite possible, and common, to deny Christ, believe in God, and not believe in the bible."

Indeed. Christ Himself teaches us that the road to damnation is wide, and easily traveled, while the path to salvation is very narrow.

;-/

212 posted on 01/10/2003 9:57:50 AM PST by Gargantua
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To: ArGee
"But is it not possible to misunderstand some details about who G-d or Christ is?"

Of course it is possible. Many people do misunderstand. That is why Jesus promised us that, once He went to Heaven to be with God, The Father, God would send us a Helper (The Holy Spirit), who would indwell all true believers, and teach us the meaning of God's Holy Word.

Jesus also said:

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me."

Taking the three parts of the sentence as separated by commas, we see Jesus saying this:

1. Christ's believers hear what Christ teaches us.
2. He knows who we are.
3. We obey His teachings.

Christ does not say, "My sheep hear some of what I say, but not all of it." He says that we hear Him. Period.

Christ does not say that His followers sometimes follow Him, and sometimes follow someone else... or often follow nobody. Christ merely says that we follow Him.

So, if His followers (aka "His sheep," for He is "The Good Shepherd) hear what He says, and follow His teachings, then there is no misunderstanding about what we believe.

And should such a misunderstanding or disagreement between believers arise, we are told to pick up our Bibles, and go to the source for the answer, lest any be deceived.

213 posted on 01/10/2003 10:11:06 AM PST by Gargantua
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To: kinsman redeemer
All glory, honor, and praise to Almighty God, for He alone is worthy. You are welcome, k r.
214 posted on 01/10/2003 10:12:34 AM PST by Gargantua
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To: ArGee
"I knew one pastor who used to say, "Well, we'll know we got salvation by faith right when we wind up in heaven. For everything else we believe, I'm sure the first words we here will be, 'The classroom is over there.'"

If you see him again, remind this pastor that when we enter the eternal afterlife, it will be as wholly new beings made perfect in God's sight... there will be no classrooms, and no need for them. (BTW, I do realize this pastor was most probably joking.)

;-/

215 posted on 01/10/2003 10:21:07 AM PST by Gargantua
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To: Gargantua
So, if His followers (aka "His sheep," for He is "The Good Shepherd) hear what He says, and follow His teachings, then there is no misunderstanding about what we believe.

When we become perfect, you will be correct.

Shalom.

216 posted on 01/10/2003 10:26:30 AM PST by ArGee (Is it possible to resign from the human race?)
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To: ArGee
Actually, we needn't be perfect in order to read, and follow, God's perfect Word in the Bible. He gave us that as an "instruction manual" for Faith because He was aware of our imperfect nature, and our subsequent need for such perfect instruction.

Peace to you, too, ArGee.

217 posted on 01/10/2003 10:51:56 AM PST by Gargantua (Got a question? Just ask, "What did Jesus say about that?")
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To: ArGee
"(Is it possible to resign from the human race?)"

On our own? No, it is not. But all things are possible in Christ, who teaches us to be "born again" in the Word, and leave behind the human, worldly, sinful beings we once were.

Shalom.

;-/

218 posted on 01/10/2003 10:54:42 AM PST by Gargantua (Got a question? Just ask, "What did Jesus say about that?")
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To: Gargantua
Actually, we needn't be perfect in order to read, and follow, God's perfect Word in the Bible.

God's perfect Word is Jesus Christ. While I believe Scripture is inerrent inerrant inerrunt without error, language is as fallen as everything else in this creation (thanks to man's sin). I do agree with you about the Holy Spirit helping us to interpret and I do agree with you that those who approach disagreements between brothers with humility will move toward unity quickly, I don't accept the Church will be able to perfectly follow Christ until He recreates all in the last day.

I guess what I fear is labelling people who disagree as unChristian simply because true Christians would never disagree.

Shalom.

219 posted on 01/10/2003 11:07:13 AM PST by ArGee (Is it possible to resign from the human race?)
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To: ArGee
"God's perfect Word is Jesus Christ... I guess what I fear is labelling people who disagree as unChristian simply because true Christians would never disagree."

Fear not. Neither I, nor you, will ever do any meaningful labeling.
It is God's perfect Word, Jesus Himself, who will do the labeling. And in scripture, He tells us how it is that He will recognize those who are His, and those who are not.

Our first job is to make sure that we are His. Our next is to help as many others as possible know where to find that one unchanging and perfect Truth.

In Him, ArGee.

;-/

220 posted on 01/10/2003 11:44:06 AM PST by Gargantua (Got a question? Just ask, "What did Jesus say about that?")
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