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Posted on 12/29/2002 5:37:06 AM PST by Mia T

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Sunday's Program
December 29th on C-SPAN at 6:30pm & 9:30pm ET
A conversation with fmr. President Bill Clinton on his presidency, followed by a tour of the construction site for his presidential library in Little Rock, AR. Also, a tour of the Clinton papers and materials with Skip Rutherford, long time Clinton friend and President of the Clinton Foundation.

"American Politics" is C-SPAN's weekly look at the candidates, issues and events which shape American politics and public policy.


by Mia T

1- Listen to clinton tell us how open he and his corrupt wife are. The clintons, unlike Bush, don't hide things, he says. He will release all documents of his presidency, he says.

I wonder...does that include, say, the Ford Building evidence that convinced the House of Representatives he is a rapist and, therefore, unfit to be President of the United States?

2- Listen to his pitiful wishful thinking...Just because a few presidents' ratings got better with the passage of time, he actually believes time will cure his utter failure of a presidency.

3- The rapist actually lobbies on C-SPAN FOR A THIRD TERM. This is one sick puppy.

4- clinton misses the design's REAL metaphor, as well as the architect's sense of irony.

The lie-brary is hardly the "bridge to the 21st century." A bridge, by definition spans and provides passage over a gap or barrier. The clinton lie-brary joins nothing. If it is a bridge, it is, fittingly, a bridge to nowhere.

Alternatively, note the building's form. . . Straight out of the trailer park. I think Polshek pulled one over on the rube.

TOPICS: Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: clinton911; clintoncorruption; clintoncowardice; clintonfailure; clintonineptitude; clintonlegacy; clintonliebrary; clintonrevisionism; selfaggrandizing; theterrorism; thirdterm
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Bill Clinton is pinning his hopes on Americans having incomplete memories. He wants us to remember the good times, associating the prosperity of the late 1990s with the handiwork of his Administration. However, the farther we move away from the days that Bill, Hillary and the whole gang of Clintonistas were in the White House, the more apparent the glaring deficiencies in his record become, particularly on national security.

It would be nice to think that Bill Clinton has finally come to recognize the true importance of national defense. But the question remains: Why was he AWOL so often on issues involving national defense during his presidency? Maybe it's because he was so busy taking trips at the expense of our armed forces when not fighting to save his own skin from an enraged Congress during his scandal-ridden presidency.

Some legacy, huh?

Negligence: The Clinton Legacy On National Defense | December 6, 2002 | Paul M. Weyrich


Q ERTY6 utter failure BUMP!

There is a great deal of interest in how history is going to view Bill Clinton...Our first indication from the public does little to suggest that Clinton's image has become more positive in the 14 months since he left office. Just 51% of Americans now say they approve of the job Clinton did while in office, and a substantial 47% say they disapprove (the second-highest disapproval rating, behind only Nixon's). This marks a drop from the higher ratings he was receiving as he left office, and a slight drop even from his overall two-term average.


Clinton continues to drop in retrospective poll data. Only Nixon lower.

Gallup News Service


A C-SPAN survey of 58 U.S. historians has concluded that Bill Clinton is the president with the lowest 'moral authority' -- beating out Richard Nixon for last place, Monday's NEW YORK TIMES is set report.



clinton's ranking will likely get worse over time. Economic issues fade in importance over time. Moral issues presist and grow. (paraphrase)

------Douglas Brinkley, history professor, on Washington Journal discussing C-SPAN poll  


 I think that history will view this much differently. They will say I made a bad personal mistake, I paid a serious price for it, but that I was right to stand and fight for my country and my constitution and its principles...

-----the First Psychopath


 ...[bill clinton], a man who will be regarded in the history books as one of our greatest presidents.

-----Al Gore at clinton's post-impeachment rally


It is not the strength but the duration of great sentiments that makes great men.



I suspect that, to spite us all, Arthur Schlesinger will live to 120 just so he can write the definitive clinton hagiography.

--------Mia T, Musings: Senatorial Courtesy Perverted

History Lesson

by Mia T


Someone--was it Maupassant?--

once called history "that excitable and lying old lady."

The same can be said of historians.


Surely it can be said of Doris Kearns Goodwin,

the archetypical pharisaical historian,

not-so-latently clintonoid,


(i.e., clinton is an unfit president;

therefore clinton must remain president),

intellectually dishonest,

(habitually doing what the Arthur Schlesingers of this world do:

making history into the proof of their theories).


The Forbids 400's argument is shamelessly spurious.

They get all unhinged over the impeachment of clinton,

claiming that it will

"leave the presidency permanently disfigured and diminished,

at the mercy as never before of the caprices of any Congress."


Yet they dismiss the real and present--and future!!--danger

to the presidency and the country

of not impeaching and removing

this admittedly unfit, (Goodwin)

"documentably dysfunctional," (NYT)

presidency-diminishing, (Goodwin)


psychopathic thug.


Doris Kearns Goodwin and those 400 other


retrograde-obsessing historiographers

are a supercilious, power-hungry,

egomaniacal lot in their own right.


For them, clinton validates

what Ogden Nash merely hypothesized:

Any buffoon can make history,

but only a great man can write it.



Weekly Standard writer Tucker Carlson has dubbed Princeton University historian Sean Wilentz "loser of the week" for his testimony before the House Judiciary Committee last week. The New York Times described his testimony as "gratuitously patronizing."

"Why would Wilentz risk his reputation to join the already bulging ranks of Clinton throne-sniffers?" Mr. Carlson asked Marxist historian Eugene Genovese, who guesses that "the pressure of time and the passions of the moment" got to Mr. Wilentz.

"As for why anyone would cite the Framers in defense of Clinton, Genovese seems baffled" Mr. Carlson wrote.

Mr. Genovese told Mr. Carlson: "I come from a rather tough working-class neighborhood where attitudes toward women left a great deal to be desired. ... But if anybody had said in the local pool room" some of the things President Clinton reportedly did to Monica Lewinsky, "the attitude would have been, 'That's degenerate. You don't do that to a girl, not even a whore.' The idea that the United States of America, the supreme world power, would tolerate a man in office who is a palpable moral degenerate -- the Founding Fathers would have choked."

The Washington Times---Inside Politics


Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize


Bill Clinton may not be the worst president America has had, but surely he is the worst person to be president.*

---GEORGE WILL, Sleaze, the sequel


Had George Will written Sleaze, the sequel (the "sequel" is, of course, hillary) after 9-11-01, I suspect that he would have had to forgo the above conceit, as the doubt expressed in the setup phrase was, from that day forward, no longer operational.

Indeed, assessing the clinton presidency an abject failure is not inconsistent with commentary coming from the left, most recently the LA Times: "Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize."

When the clintons left office, I predicted that the country would eventually learn--sadly, the hard way--that this depraved, self-absorbed and inept pair had placed America (and the world) in mortal danger. But I was thinking years, not months.

It is very significant that hillary clinton didn't deny clinton culpability for the terrorism. (Meet the Press, 12-09-01), notwithstanding tired tactics (if you can't pass the buck, spread the blame) and chronic "KnowNothing Victim Clinton" self-exclusion.

If leftist pandering keeps the disenfranchized down in perpetuity, clinton pandering,("it's the economy, stupid"), kept the middle and upper classes wilfully ignorant for eight years.

And ironically, both results (leftist social policy and the clinton economy) are equally illusory, fraudulent. It is becoming increasingly clear that clinton covertly cooked the books even as he assiduously avoided essential actions that would have negatively impacted the economy--the ultimate source of his continued power--actions like, say, going after the terrorists.

It is critically important that hillary clinton fail in her grasp for power; read Peggy Noonan's little book, 'The Case Against Hillary Clinton' and Barbara Olson's two books; it is critical that the West de-clintonize, but that will be automatic once it is understood that the clintons risked civilization itself in order to gain and retain power.

It shouldn't take books, however, to see that a leader is a dangerous, self-absorbed sicko. People should be able to figure that out for themselves. The electorate must be taught to think, to reason. It must be able to spot spin, especially in this age of the electronic demagogue.

I am not hopeful. As Bertrand Russell noted, "Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. "

Mia T, hillary clinton blames hubby for terrorism

(SHE knew nuttin')

Meet the Press, 12-09-01



*George Will continues: There is reason to believe that he is a rapist ("You better get some ice on that," Juanita Broaddrick says he told her concerning her bit lip), and that he bombed a country to distract attention from legal difficulties arising from his glandular life, and that. ... Furthermore, the bargain that he and his wife call a marriage refutes the axiom that opposites attract. Rather, she, as much as he, perhaps even more so, incarnates Clintonism

Q ERTY3 co-rapist  bump!

1 posted on 12/29/2002 5:37:06 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mudboy Slim
Thou art arm'd that hath thy crook'd schemers straight.
Cudgel thy brains no more, the clinton plots are great.

Mia T, On Neutered and Neutering,

by Mia T and Edward Zehr (EZ)



evidence of consciousness of guilt
at Ron Brown's funeral
YOO-HOO Mrs. clinton:











it won't s-p-i-n



Q ERTY2 "There isn't a shred of evidence."



HILLARY, YOU KNOW, KnowNothing Victim

Q ERTY4 double bagel


W I D E B O D Y. low-center-of-gravity

Dim Bulb Congenital Bottom Feeder


clinton Complex-Question Fallacy Scheme

Hardball's Softball hillary clinton 'Interview'


BUSH: "I will not wait on events, while dangers gather."



utter failure

 rodham-clinton reality-check

Democrat Debacle of '02




2 posted on 12/29/2002 5:47:56 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Gail Wynand; looscannon; Lonesome in Massachussets; Freedom'sWorthIt; IVote2; Slyfox; Registered; ..
Well, with the help of the 100 corrupt and cowardly cullions, clinton walked. The senators' justification for their acquittal votes requires the suspension of rational thought (and, in the curious case of Arlen Specter, national jurisdiction).

--Mia T, Musings: Senatorial Courtesy Perverted

by Mia T
Hypocrisy abounds in this Age of clinton, a Postmodern Oz rife with constitutional deconstruction and semantic subversion, a virtual surreality polymarked by presidential alleles peccantly misplaced or, in the case of Jefferson, posthumously misappropriated.
Shameless pharisees in stark relief crowd the Capitol frieze:
Baucus, Biden, Bingaman, Breaux, Bryan, Byrd, Cohen, Conrad, Daschle, Dodd, Gore, Graham, Harkin, Hollings, Inouye, Kennedy, Kerrey, Kerry, Kohl, Lautenberg, Leahy, Levin, Lieberman, Mikulski, Moynihan, Reid, Robb, Rockefeller, Sarbanes, Schumer.
These are the 28 sitting Democratic senators, the current Vice President and Secretary of Defense -- clinton defenders all -- who, in 1989, voted to oust U.S. District Judge Walter Nixon for making "false or misleading statements to a grand jury."
In 1989 each and every one of these men insisted that perjury was an impeachable offense.
(What a difference a decade and a decadent Democrat make.)
Senator Herb Kohl (November 7, 1989):
"But Judge Nixon took an oath to tell the truth and the whole truth. As a grand jury witness, it was not for him to decide what would be material. That was for the grand jury to decide. Of all people, Federal Judge Walter Nixon certainly knew this.
"So I am going to vote 'guilty' on articles one and two. Judge Nixon lied to the grand jury. He misled the grand jury. These acts are indisputably criminal and warrant impeachment."
Senator Tom Daschle (November 3, 1989):
"This morning we impeached a judge from Mississippi for failing to tell the truth. Those decisions are always very difficult and certainly, in this case, it came after a great deal of concern and thoughtful analysis of the facts."
Congressman Charles Schumer (May 10, 1989):  
"Perjury, of course, is a very difficult, difficult thing to decide; but as we looked and examined all of the records and in fact found many things that were not in the record it became very clear to us that this impeachment was meritorious."
Senator Carl Levin (November 3, 1989):
"The record amply supports the finding in the criminal trial that Judge Nixon's statements to the grand jury were false and misleading and constituted perjury. Those are the statements cited in articles I and II, and it is on those articles that I vote to convict Judge Nixon and remove him from office."
* * * * *
"The hypocrite's crime is that he bears false witness against himself," observed the philosopher Hannah Arendt. "What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core."
If hypocrisy is the vice of vices, then perjury is the crime of crimes, for
perjury provides the necessary cover for all other crimes.
David Lowenthal, professor emeritus of political science at Boston College makes the novel and compelling argument that perjury is "bribery consummate, using false words instead of money or other things of value to pervert the course of justice" and, thus, perjury is a constitutionally enumerated high crime.
The Democrats' defense of clinton's perjury -- and their own hypocrisy -- is
clinton's perjuries were "just about sex" and therefore "do not rise to the level of an impeachable offense."
This argument is spurious. The courts make no distinction between perjuries. Perjury is perjury. Perjury attacks the very essence of democracy. Perjury is bribery consummate.
Moreover, (the clinton spinners notwithstanding), clinton's perjury was not "just about sex." clinton's perjury was about clinton denying a citizen justice by lying in a civil rights-sexual harassment case about his sexual history with subordinates.
Presidents and judges are held to different standards under the Constitution.
Because the Constitution stipulates that federal judges, who are appointed for life, "shall hold their offices during good behavior,'' and because there is no similar language concerning the popularly elected, term-limited president, it must have been perfectly agreeable to the Framers, so the (implicit) argument goes, to have a perjurious, justice-obstructing reprobate as president.
clinton's defenders ignore Federalist No. 57, and Hillary Rodham's constitutional treatise on impeachable acts -- written in 1974 when she wanted to impeach a president; both mention "bad conduct" as grounds for impeachment.
"Impeachment," wrote Rodham, "did not have to be for criminal offenses -- but only for a 'course of conduct' that suggested an abuse of power or a disregard for the office of the President of the United States...A person's 'course of conduct' while not particularly criminal could be of such a nature that it destroys trust, discourages allegiance, and demands action by the Congress...The office of the President is such that it calls for a higher level of conduct than the average citizen in the United States."
Hamilton (or Madison) discussed the importance of wisdom and virtue in Federalist 57. "The aim of every political constitution is, or ought to be, first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of the society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust."
(Contrast this with clinton, who recklessly, reflexively and feloniously subordinates the common good to his personal appetites.)
Because the Framers did not anticipate the demagogic efficiency of the electronic bully pulpit, they ruled out the possibility of an MTV mis-leader (and impeachment-thwarter!) like clinton. In Federalist No. 64, John Jay said: "There is reason to presume" the president would fall only to those "who have become the most distinguished by their abilities and virtue." He
imagined that the electorate would not "be deceived by those brilliant appearances of genius and patriotism which, like transient meteors, sometimes mislead as well as dazzle."
(If the clinton debacle teaches us anything, it is this: If we are to retain our democracy in this age of the electronic demagogue, we must recalibrate the constitutional balance of power.)
The president can be prosecuted for his alleged felonies after he leaves office.
(Nota bene ROBERT RAY.)
This clinton-created censure contrivance -- borne out of what I have come to call the "Lieberman Paradigm" (clinton is an unfit president; therefore clinton must remain president) -- is nothing less than a postmodern deconstruction in which the Oval Office would serve for two years as a holding cell for the perjurer-obstructor.
Such indecorous, dual-purpose architectonics not only threatens the delicate constitutional framework -- it disturbs the cultural aesthetic. The senators must, therefore, roundly reject this elliptic scheme.

In this postmodern Age of clinton, we may, from time to time, selectively stomach corruption. But we must never abide ugliness. Never.


3 posted on 12/29/2002 5:58:08 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
4 posted on 12/29/2002 5:58:42 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Mia T
William Jefferson Blythe Clinton is a Perjuror, a Rapist, a Conspirator to MassMurder, and Traitor, and a Tyrant and...
Clinton Shall Be Brought to Justice!!

IMHO, of course...

"Terry's Lyin'!!"
(To be sung to Van Halen's "Jamie's Cryin'")

Slim saw the look in PUNK's eyes, MUD knew he's better!!
MUD asked his FRiends to Fight!! ...FReepers, it's now or never!!
Slick makes MUD feel so MAD!!!
Oh, whoa, whoa, Terry's cryin'...
Oh, whoa, whoa, Macker's lyin'!!
McAuliffe finally said, "All right!! MUD, as a Man, yer much BETTER!!
MUD, I am afraid to Fight, ah, oh, so all my ties I'll now sever!!"

MUD said to send Slick a letter, uh yeah yeah...
Uh just to try to make yerself feel better
It said "Willie (Yer Gonna Fall, YOU Slime!!")
And Slick knows Mudboy'll git 'em!!
Oh, whoa, whoa, Fairy's cryin'!!
Oh, whoa, whoa, Terry's lyin'!!
Now Mudboy's been in love before (ahhh)
And he knows what Power is for (ahhh)
It should mean, a little, a little more (ahhh)
Than one night stands, whoo!!

MUD's gonna send Slick a letter, uh yeah yeah
Just to Let Slick Knows Who's Gonna Git HIM!!
Slim sang "Willie (Yer Gonna Fall, You Slime!!)
'Cuz the Macker's a BedWetter!!"

Oh, whoa, whoa, Lib'ral's cryin'...
Oh, whoa, whoa, LeftWing's Dyin'...
Oh, whoa, whoa, RATS'll be FRyin'...
Oh, whoa, whoa, Clinton's Lyin'...
Oh, whoa, whoa, Slick'll Be Whinin'!!

Heh heh heh...MUD

5 posted on 12/29/2002 6:14:41 AM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: Mia T
I love it when you throw their (democRATs) words back in their faces. The spot light shines ever brighter on their hypocracy.


6 posted on 12/29/2002 6:14:51 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Mia T
Excellent. CSPAN should air this instead......
7 posted on 12/29/2002 6:37:49 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: All

8 posted on 12/29/2002 6:57:06 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
Mia T,

I love your presentations, but you really need to come out of your shell and
tell us how you really feel about the worst president this country has ever had. :)

I'm sorry, I will watch almost anything on C-SPAN but I cannot, will not, watch this piece of scum.

9 posted on 12/29/2002 7:08:24 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
You can actually watch the self-gratification right now in streaming video. Click the C-SPAN link at the top of the page.
10 posted on 12/29/2002 7:15:26 AM PST by Mia T
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To: leadpenny; Mia T
I love your presentations, but you really need to come out of your shell and tell us how you really feel about the worst president this country has ever had. :)

I Agree

Great Post once again, Mia T

11 posted on 12/29/2002 7:20:01 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Mia T; Fiddlstix
Click the C-SPAN link at the top of the page

A thousand times NO! Watching or listening to Bill Clinton is akin to practicing to be miserable.

Actually, I did watch some of it on C-SPAN2 this AM (maybe 2 1/4 minutes). Could have been a promotional segment but I became ill before I could find out.

12 posted on 12/29/2002 7:54:49 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
I understand.

But actually, this "conversation" is full of unintended humor.

Now that it's clear that he was an utter failure in every aspect of his job, clinton's legacy obsession controls every word he utters...with laughable results.
13 posted on 12/29/2002 8:12:03 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
I wonder if he knows we'll be 'layin' for him with a discussion thread and later next year when his book of fiction comes out?

You've read me right, I think. I'll probably be drawn to tonight's program like 'rubber-neckers' on I-95.

14 posted on 12/29/2002 8:18:08 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
"Already Gone!!"
(To be sung to the Eagles' "Already Gone")

Folks, I heard Rush Limbaugh talkin' just the other day...
And Rush said, "RATS're gonna put Slick on the shelf!!
But let me tell you...MUD's got some news for you...
And you'll soon find out Right's True...
'Cuz Slick's gonna haveta eat his lunch in a JailCell!!

'Cuz Slick's already bombed...
And Right's feelin' strong!!
MUD shall sing his Vict'ry songs...woo, hoo,hoo,woo,hoo,hoo!!

This Prez'dent fer whom RATS voted...made me stop and wonder "WHY?!!"
But I reckon that we'll just haveta set things Right!!
Just remember this, Lib'ral, when ya listen to those who LIE...
You can be RATstars and still not know what's Right (WE're Right!!)

And Left's already done...
And Right's feelin' strong!!
Right shall sing this Vict'ry song...woo, hoo,hoo,woo, hoo,hoo!!!

Willie know it was YOU FOOLS who gave Slick Power...
Clinton knows it shall be YOU who helps US FReep!!
So often times it happens that YOU live yer lives in chains...
And YOU never even knew YOU have the key!!

But me, I'm already gone!!
And I'm feelin' strong!!
Right Shall Sing this Vict'ry Song...
'Cuz Slick's Already Bombed!!

Yes, RATS're already gone...
And Right's feelin' strong!!
Right shall sing this Vict'ry song...
'Cuz RATS're already done!!

Yes, Slick's already buggered...
Slick's squeeeeelin' fer more!!
All Right, Let's Fight the Fight!!


15 posted on 12/29/2002 9:11:35 AM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: Mia T
Pure propaganda.

BTW: Come take off the air some more Clintonista propaganda,sign the petition to defund PBS and NPR now.
16 posted on 12/29/2002 10:34:37 AM PST by Sparta
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To: Mia T

17 posted on 12/29/2002 11:11:28 AM PST by Dan Day
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To: Mia T

18 posted on 12/29/2002 3:38:15 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: Mia T
19 posted on 12/30/2002 10:34:46 PM PST by prognostigaator
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To: Mia T
What's this about lobbeying for a third term? How'd he say it? We know Hillary's going to try for it eventually and that'd be in sync with Armageddon.
20 posted on 12/31/2002 10:07:14 AM PST by bushfamfan
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