Statue of Abe Lincoln: "...a slap in the face of a lot of brave men..."

The Cincinnati Enquirer ^ | Friday, December 27, 2002 | AP

[crystalk]

Never said the two sides LOVED each other, only that there was no bloodshed that Lincoln did not cause.

Had he not been elected, there would have been no secession.

Even as it was, the Southern states left more in a mood of partying and relief, that a long and unhappy marriage was at last over, celebrating a divorce as it were. They were really in part tongue-in-cheek about hating the North; they never dreamed the bloodthirsty, bloodlusting hate that the other side harbored. Never dreamed the North had any such level of hate as to raise an army to level the South, kill or maim its men from 14 to 70, and level its houses, farms, and infrastructure... all over a difference of political opinion!

Let's face it, these Yankees were no gentlemen.

[CyberCowboy777]

Your getting closer.

I'm thinking just three more insults will make the logic of your argument clear for many of us. It's hard to dismiss the clarity, and appeal of insult.

Your comment is a thinly veiled insult itself. I'm thinking just one more insult will make the logic of your argument clear for many of us.

[judicial meanz]

I married a Bronx girl. Southern male meets Bronx Jewish American Princess. She swears she wouldnt move back now!

[wardaddy]

You are quite right in my view. Thad, Stanton, and Sumner and company had quite a different post war view than Abe.

Booth and his cohorts were of the McVeigh mindset.

As I've said all along....I'm a proud Southerner but not a NeoConfederate.

[talleyman]

That is the problem. People from all over the country coming to the town I live in, just to stir up $h!+, then go back home and leave the mess. I guess that's better than them staying though.
Amen! Well-spoken, fellow citizen. Let them return from whence they came, and take their mischief with them!

[ContentiousObjector]

the civil war is over, you lost, get over it.

[CyberCowboy777]

Every argument you make against the Confederacy can be made with equal justice by an Englishman against the United States.

Except that God did not see fit for the English to win, He did with the Union. The winner makes the distinctions.

[wardaddy]

We are over "it" for the most part. It's the do-gooders who won't leave us alone and make otherwise benign Southerners like me defensively hostile.

[NittanyLion]

Should the victors focus on collegiality with their fellow citizens instead? If they're grownups, they probably will.

It seems you define collegiality in a one-sided fashion. It's okay to have Confederate statues erected in Richmond, but not one of Lincoln. Seeing as how Lincoln was a President of the United States, and Richmond is located in the United States, and the statue is commemorating an event that happened in the United States, I fail to see the problem.

[FirstFlaBn]

You conflate tariffs and protectionist tariffs. Not the same animal. Tariffs for revenue were favored by all political viewpoints in the 19th Century because of the efficiency in the collection process compared to other methods. Protective tariffs rewarded inefficient producers and favored one region at the expense of others.

It is difficult to precisely draw neat conservative/liberal comparisons between 19th and 21st Century, particularly when talking about something as amorphous as major political party platforms, but if you'll look at the fierce tariff debates from the 1820s on, you'll see that opposition to tariffs was not limited to fighting protectionism but the sure knowledge that when economic growth caused tariff revenues to skyrocket the new found money would not lay around Washington for long. It would be spent; it would be spent to buy votes; it would create power in Washington and dependency in the hinterlands. That is a true conservative principle - and it proves itself a principle because it applies equally today.

[WhiskeyPapa]

Never said the two sides LOVED each other, only that there was no bloodshed that Lincoln did not cause.

Had he not been elected, there would have been no secession.

Thieves hate it when the victim resists.

Had Lincoln not been elected, this country would be just like the Balkans today.

Walt

[ContentiousObjector]

what is objectionable to a monument to an American president in an American city?

[wideawake]

Except that God did not see fit for the English to win, He did with the Union. The winner makes the distinctions.

Fascinating.

So whoever wins is God's favorite.

Presumably Jesus was lying when he said that the rain falls on the just and unjust alike.

Thanks for correcting His mistake.

[k2blader]

I suspect that if I said instead: "Ay! Lincoln kicked yer ass, ya stuttering prick, ya!" I might get a different response.

How regrettable if that is indeed the intent of the statue. However, I have so far seen no evidence of such.

[wideawake]

To the contrary, my ancestors won the Civil War.

[talleyman]

Only so long as you try to argue against the historical reality and delegitimize the capitulation that your ancestors accepted with grace and dignity.
My, such polysyllabic poppycock! The historical reality is that the North subjugated and plundered the South. And to this day we are over-run with arrogant, self-righteous Northerners and their scalawag enablers who think we need a little more reminding.
This is not outcome-based history to improve your self-esteem.
My self-esteem is fine, thank you. We got Florida, you got New Jersey.

[WhiskeyPapa]

I see. The federal government was unable to fund itself until it figured out a way to confiscate money from its citizens.

Obviously, you don't.

You don't -ever- have to pay a tariff. You can always buy domestic. There were NO federal taxes in 1790, and there were NO federal taxes in 1860. What Hamilton did in the 1790's was to offer bonds. He paid the interest on those bonds with the tariff revenue. It worked.

However, the so-called CSA DID put export tariffs on cotton -- something strictly forbidden in the U.S. Constitution.

Walt

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

Bismark was not on the winning side, Mr Wake

[Cogadh na Sith]

I'm a NM native and still live here. The water rights conferred with the Spanish land grants and the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo mean a lot more to me day-to-day than the civil war. I've never been to New Jersey--I hear it sucks...

[wideawake]

So, you think we should put a nice, big statue of John Calhoun on Malcolm X Boulevard and 125th Street?

He was American. And Harlem is in America. Who cares if it's divisive and a waste of teaxpayer money?

I say put in there just to piss people off.