Islam's Other Victims: Wars Against Christians-under relentless attack for centuries.

FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | December 23, 2002 | Serge Trifkovic

[Restorer]

After all did the Jews "invade" Palestine?

Sure did. In just about the same way Americans invaded America (which wasn't called that at the time).

You can't invade what is your land. Liberation and invasion are two different things.

Then you would support an armed attack by Indians to eject all white (and black, Asian, etc.) Americans from the territory now composing the 50 states? Or you are in favor of Mexico retaking Texas and California? (Not that they aren't already in the process.)

The Muslims originally conquered Palestine not from Jews (who were a very minor element of the population at the time), but from the Christian Eastern Roman Empire.

If you are interested in an unbiased contemporary evaluation of the situation in Syria/Palestine, you might want to read the report of a 1919 American commission. According to King and Crane, Arabs made up about 90% of the population at the time, and unlimited Jewish immigration would lead to immense conflict extending into the distant future. Rather prescient, wouldn't you say?

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/crane.html

FWIW, I support the present state of Israel. I just am opposed to untruthful statements about how it was founded.

[Paulie]

bump for later read

[Restorer]

Gallipolli was a German victory.

Not according to the Australian government, the main suppliers of the troops on the losing side

"Kemal returned to Gallipoli in 1915 as commander of the 19th Division, the main reserve of the Turkish Fifth Army, and was thus on hand to oppose the ANZAC landing in April. His superb grasp of strategy and ability to inspire his troops by his reckless bravery in action boosted Turkish morale and proved decisive in thwarting allied plans."

German commanders led most of the Turkish armies, most of which were defeated. Kemal is generally considered to be the motivating spirit behind their success at Gallipoli.

[Destro]

You prove my point. An unarmed Christian man walked past a line where Muslims stole his home and property as part of a peaceful rally and was hacked to death by a Muslim mob. HE WAS KILLED BECAUSE HE WAS A CHRISTIAN AND THE TURKS HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF THIS KIND OF KILLING JUST THIS TIME IT WAS CAPTURED ON VIDEO TAPE.

[Destro]

If the American Indians are denied their rights. Yes, I would. If they have rightful autonomy as they do now then no I would not. The Greeks and other Christians lived in fear under the Turks and since they had no civil rights the principals that allowed the 13 colonies to declare armed revolt against their oppressors applies.

[Destro]

Kemal was no more than a glorified drill sergeant to his German General. He followed his German general's orders with great elan as befitting a good subordinate. IN fact all Turkish armies were under German command in WW1 and teh Turkish generals dod no more than translate the orders from German to Turkish for Ottoman Turkey's slave slodiers.

[Destro]

Kemal was no more than a glorified drill sergeant to his German General. He followed his German general's orders with great elan as befitting a good subordinate. IN fact all Turkish armies were under German command in WW1 and teh Turkish generals dod no more than translate the orders from German to Turkish for Ottoman Turkey's slave soldiers.

[Destro]

Muslims always spin it as such. When the Christians or Jews fight back its an atrocity. When Muslims butcher its in self defense.

[Restorer]

Kemal was no more than a glorified drill sergeant to his German General.

I'm afraid you don't help your own cause by this assertion.

It means that the Greek armies were routed by a general who had no experience as a general.

A truly magnimous opponent is eager to recognize the valor and skill of his opponents, since otherwise his defeats are embarassing and his victories are unimportant.

Witness the respect that the Union and Confederate generals held for each other.

BTW, you seem to think your assertion qualifies as evidence. I quote the statement of his opponents as to the skill and valor of Kemal. You reply with an insult to the memory of a brave man. Not very good tactics.

[Destro]

Like I care about the reputation of those Greek generals? From what I read the competent Greek generals were sacked in favor of political appointees by a newly elected Greek administration. It should be asked not that the Greeks lost but how theyeven managed to get so deep into Turkish territory before they lost?

In addition the withdrawal of Western European support to the Greeks as a reaction to events in Russia also needs to be remembered. The Greeks had asked permission to occupy Constantinople as a counter reaction to events happening in Anatolia and were denied this by the Allied powers for fear that Constantinople in Greek hands would allow the Russians to have access to the Mediterranean Sea and then (to the ever great fear of the Anglos) access on to the Indian Ocean.

[a_Turk]

>>It should be asked not that the Greeks lost but how theyeven managed to get so deep into Turkish territory before they lost?

DUH! Because they waited for the armsice to be implemented, the Ottoman army demobilized and disarmed, and then attacked the defenseless rural population, that's why! Now explain how come they could not hold what they grabbed?

Could it be because they had fallen out of favor with their masters behind whose skirts they were hiding? Whom they embarrassed by taking advantage of them and being disloyal? A reputation which has followed you for centuries Pericles!

[Destro]

There is a lot of hero myth built into the Ataturk legend. This deification of leaders is a product of corpratist states and can be seen in the ruler cults that developed in post colonial African states like Zaire and in Kyrgyzstan.

Read this modern Turkic account and tell me it does not remind you of the vain gloroius title given to "Ataturk" (Father of all Turks) by his rubber stamp parliment:

Personality Cult Buoys 'Father of All Turkmen'

[a_Turk]

Don't get me wrong all.... I don't hate Greeks, no, just underhanded, backstabbing, dishonest, disloyal dastards..

In fact, I just got back from a Greek diner, closest thing to Turkish food we've got around here, where I ate and had a long chat with my friend of 20 years: Nick the chef :)

[Destro]

Actually it was Kemal who liked the young boys. Very young from what I read.

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Kemal Ataturk (1881-1938), Turkish ruler

[Destro]

Awwww, you let your Islamic bred genocidal leanings oout and had to backtrack a little? I prefer teh honest Turkish hatred of the Christian "dhimmi" any day. How dare those dhimmis be disloyal!

[VOA]

thanks for the bump...

[a_Turk]

Buncha Crap. How is it that Pericles isn't listed?

[a_Turk]

>>I prefer teh honest Turkish hatred of the Christian "dhimmi" any day

More crap. Even Poles emigrated to the Ottoman empire.

The fact remains that you always needed a master (Romans, Turks, Russians, Danes, Germans (early 1800s not WW2), Brits, the US, and now the EU), and you've always managed to piss everyone of them off with whimps like you agitating for their own STUPID agendae.

Hell, you've even murdered your own people when they did not want to play along and it fit your schemes!