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Activists Planning Mass Civil Disobedience If U.S. Attacks Iraq
www.sfgate.com / San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Monday, December 23, 2002 | Martha Mendoza, AP National Writer

Posted on 12/23/2002 4:09:31 PM PST by American Preservative

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:41:34 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

If a major war breaks out in Iraq, the first thing Rev. Stuart Fitch plans to do is pray, sending love to everyone from Saddam Hussein to President Bush. Then he'll call his congregation to church for a service.

And then, perhaps, the 78-year-old Episcopalian clergyman will get himself arrested.


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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: District of Columbia
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To: mandible
Do you understand that our founding fathers practiced the same type of protests, aimed at crippling the economic power of an illegitimate government?

And they were bloody well willing to pay the price tag associated with such acts.

The Boston Tea Party is the most famous example.

And if the party-hearty crowd had gotten caught, they would've gotten, at a minimum, several years in gaol for destruction of private property, sedition, and other assorted criminal acts.

Do you know the definition of 'sedition'? Sedition is the act of rebelling against lawful authority.

Which the US government is.

According to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, authority is given by the consent of the governed.

Which has, in fact, been given. And that is only in the Declaration, not the Constitution.

Peaceful protest is, by definition, a constitutionally protected act.

Destruction of property is NOT peaceful. Deliberately disrupting military operations of the duly constituted authority is NOT peaceful.

101 posted on 12/24/2002 11:03:30 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
So now our government is illegitimate? Sorry, a**hole, but there are a lot more of us than you who think it is legitimate.

I think mandible is a refugee from raisethefist.com :o)

Being cool and trendy, with a bunch of piercings and a job at Starbucks doesn't make you wiser than everyone else.

Jeez, Chancellor, did you have to use the flying piledriver move AND smack him with the folding chair?

102 posted on 12/24/2002 11:05:11 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: SteveTuck
And Iraq or North Korea would attack a vastly superior nuclear power with WMD because...

Because they are hate personified, Steve. You arrogantly believe that since attacking and slaughtering innocents does not fit your belief system, that it won't fit theirs. This is utter nonsense. You might as well refuse to believe that the Japanese Army raped NanKing ... where they slaughtered many times more people than they lost in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, and far more viciously... because they have no rational reason for doing so.

You're a fool, and an enabler.

Look at the suicide bombings, beheadings, enslavements, burnings, mustard gasings, abusive class systems, rapes, church grenadings, holy site defilings, schoolchildren bombings, and shootings in Indonesia, the Phillipines, Nigeria, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Israel, etc., that have been accelerating for the past decade... then come back and tell us how rational these slaughters have been... then you will have the answer to why North Korea and Iraq would attack.

104 posted on 12/24/2002 11:10:51 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
You are totally ignorant of my appearance. Should this personal attack ensue, I will alert the moderators to your activity.
105 posted on 12/24/2002 11:13:09 AM PST by mandible
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To: Teacher317
Beginning with Dr. King's organized protest in Selma, Alabama and the following victories in the U.S. Supreme Court, this country was irrevocably altered. Do you need more examples?
106 posted on 12/24/2002 11:15:54 AM PST by mandible
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To: Poohbah
Its always a good thing to let them know they're not as loved as they think they are. They got an overinflated view of themselves during the baby boom and Vietnam, and if we deal with them correctly, they'll take some real classes and get real jobs.

Ever notice that the clueless lunatics, be they hard right, Libertarians or anarchists never offer up a positive vision?

107 posted on 12/24/2002 11:18:04 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: mandible
Please note that Dr. King and his associates did not destroy property or disrupt operations at military garrisons.
108 posted on 12/24/2002 11:18:48 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: mandible
Don't presume to mention your name in the same sentence as Dr. King (oh, do you wear a tongue stud too? Have you guys gotten any flavored syrup for your coffees?).
109 posted on 12/24/2002 11:20:56 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
hehe - Mandible alerted the moderators into getting himself banned.
110 posted on 12/24/2002 11:25:48 AM PST by Let's Roll
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To: Let's Roll; dighton; Chancellor Palpatine
It's like playing Whack-A-Mole.
111 posted on 12/24/2002 11:27:26 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: mandible; Poohbah; Chancellor Palpatine; Let's Roll

Should this personal attack ensue, I will alert the moderators to your activity.

He zotted up real good!

112 posted on 12/24/2002 11:30:53 AM PST by dighton
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To: Crusher138
SteveTuck signed up 2002-11-22.

I will just have to wait until I am wise like you. [/sarcasm]

113 posted on 12/24/2002 11:46:03 AM PST by SteveTuck
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To: dighton
Disrupting military activity invites a reponse up to and including gunfire.

Shooting protestors peacefully blocking the entrance to a military base is just plain immoral.

114 posted on 12/24/2002 11:47:46 AM PST by SteveTuck
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To: SteveTuck
Can you say freedom of speech?

Anti-Americanism is NOT dissent and disrupting our military is NOT free speech. It's called aiding and abetting the enemy (a.k.a. treason)

115 posted on 12/24/2002 11:48:35 AM PST by stratman1969
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To: MindBender26
As long as he continues to thumb his nose at the West, and channel $ to known terrorists, he is a threat to us.

Thumbing his nose at us is not justification for war. There is no revealed evidence of Saddam funnelling money to Al Queda.

116 posted on 12/24/2002 11:49:50 AM PST by SteveTuck
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To: M Kehoe
Can you say treason? I knew you could.

I would not execute someone for blocking the entrance to a military base.

117 posted on 12/24/2002 11:50:41 AM PST by SteveTuck
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To: stratman1969
Anti-Americanism is NOT dissent and disrupting our military is NOT free speech. It's called aiding and abetting the enemy (a.k.a. treason)

Once we invade Iraq, then I can no longer protest our foreign policy...

I think not!

118 posted on 12/24/2002 11:52:07 AM PST by SteveTuck
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To: Teacher317
Because they are hate personified, Steve. You arrogantly believe that since attacking and slaughtering innocents does not fit your belief system, that it won't fit theirs. This is utter nonsense. You might as well refuse to believe that the Japanese Army raped NanKing ... where they slaughtered many times more people than they lost in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, and far more viciously... because they have no rational reason for doing so.

If North Korea or Iraq attacked us, then we would invade and destroy them. They know that and will not attack us.

You're a fool, and an enabler.

Right....

Look at the suicide bombings, beheadings, enslavements, burnings, mustard gasings, abusive class systems, rapes, church grenadings, holy site defilings, schoolchildren bombings, and shootings in Indonesia, the Phillipines, Nigeria, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Israel, etc., that have been accelerating for the past decade... then come back and tell us how rational these slaughters have been... then you will have the answer to why North Korea and Iraq would attack.

And when did the North Koreans last attack us? How about Iraq?

119 posted on 12/24/2002 11:55:28 AM PST by SteveTuck
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To: Fintan
Oliver North asked last night on Hannity and Colmes.
120 posted on 12/24/2002 12:10:35 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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