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Black Crunch jams Universal cycle [Cosmology]
Nature Magazine ^ | 23 Decemeber 2002 | PHILIP BALL

Posted on 12/22/2002 6:07:08 PM PST by PatrickHenry

Space might end up dark, thick and boring.

The Universe is not as bouncy as some think, say two physicists. If a Big Crunch follows the Big Bang, it may get stuck that way for ever1.

A fluid of black holes would bung up space. There would be nothing to drive another Big Bang, and nowhere else to go. The Universe would be, you might say, stuffed.

In a bouncing universe, all the matter currently flying apart slows until it reverses and falls towards a Big Crunch. Some physicists think this could ignite another Big Bang, in an unending sequence of expansion and contraction.

An idea called M-theory suggests how the switch from crunch to bang could happen2. The details depend on the shape of space: whether it is infinite and flat, or finite and curved like the surface of a balloon or a doughnut.

Thomas Banks of Rutgers University, New Jersey, and Willy Fischler of the University of Texas at Austin have considered a flat, infinite space in which particles get ever closer and ever denser.

In a space with such features, the smallest kinks in density are amplified into black holes, the densest objects in the Universe. So the whole of space-time would congeal into a very lumpy soup - a black crunch.

"We don't really know what this fluid is made out of," Fischler admits. But he and Banks argue that it may reach a pressure at which it cannot become any denser. At this point, the speed of sound equals the speed of light. Deadlock results.

No theory can cope with a Big Crunch. Because of this, says Fischler, the analysis that he and Banks have performed remains speculative. And a doughnut-shaped Universe could meet a quite different fate, he adds.

References:

1. Banks, T. & Fishler, W. Black Crunch. Preprint http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/0212113, (2002). |Article|
2. Khoury, J., Ovrut, B. A., Seiberg, N., Steinhardt, P. J. & Turok, N. From Big Crunch to Big Bang. Preprint http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-th/0108187, (2002). |Article|
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bigbang; bigcrunch; blackhole; cosmology; crevolist
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To: PatrickHenry
Expansion, contraction... there is a mechanic indeed to the Universe and this mechanic, if it is ultimate, would see the life of a scientist in its way to its "proper" "evolution". Global Universal warming? Are we causing the Universe to crunch and stay stuck? Anyone?
221 posted on 12/24/2002 2:17:47 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: PatrickHenry
The Night Before Christmas 1776

Every time I see that depiction of Washington crossing the Delaware, I imagine the rest of the guys in the boat as the chorus, singing "Sit Down, You're Rockin' the Boat" from the musical "Guy's 'n' Dolls"....

Sorry; had to share that with somebody.....

222 posted on 12/24/2002 2:28:20 PM PST by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer
If only the walls of that control room could talk!

"Control Room"..... hmmmmmm.

Isn't that were all the Dominatrixes hang out until their next sex slave arrives?

And RA claims he does what there... "orbital mechanics"? Yeah, right! He's probably greasing the pulleys and cleaning the whips and chains, while dancing to the "Masochism Tango"!

223 posted on 12/24/2002 2:36:27 PM PST by longshadow
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To: Physicist; All
"A pendulum won't gain or lose energy by this process."


so we know how to make perpetual motion machines? hot diggity, wish that was in the news!

sarcastic biting aside for a moment

Merry Christmas!
224 posted on 12/24/2002 4:28:38 PM PST by MacDorcha
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To: longshadow
Isn't that were all the Dominatrixes hang out until their next sex slave arrives?

ROTFLMAO! If I had a job that interesting, would I be hanging out on FR?

Hehehe! Merry Christmas my friend. :-)

225 posted on 12/24/2002 5:05:33 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Junior
" it is obvious the average college student has little or no concept of written English."

and/or, im not giving a damn about such rules. im not saying im above them, but we could all learn to not be so dogmatic about such things.
226 posted on 12/24/2002 5:43:44 PM PST by MacDorcha
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To: LibWhacker
what the heck was that for? it wasnt even addressed to you. i dont need your pitty, but i also dont need you turning on me. i guess it just goes to show ya, the only person you can trust or confide in is yourself. thanks for nothing, and i hope your backstabbing gets you beat. merry christmas, you punk. i didn't ask for you to be on a side, but i thought maybe, just maybe, you'd have enough smarts to figure "hey, he isnt bad, he just doesnt see it the way we do" but no, you gotta go with the crowd and figure im wrong based on that. go ahead jerk. have fun.
227 posted on 12/24/2002 5:48:42 PM PST by MacDorcha
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To: Piltdown_Woman
i havent seen you contribute a thing except personal remarks.

as for being "recognized" i thought i went over my qualifying for MENSA, but hey, if your old mind has you forgetting things so bad that you forget to read previous posts, im sorry, i guess ill have to remind you.
228 posted on 12/24/2002 5:58:43 PM PST by MacDorcha
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To: All
"merry christmas, you punk"
227 posted on 12/24/2002 8:48 PM EST by MacDorcha
Placemarker.
229 posted on 12/24/2002 6:13:00 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: MacDorcha
Post #63: "snip" right, and you've been there, so you MUST be the definative source of information on the subject. "snip" next please.

Post #116: "snip" keep trying though, your attempt shows how long you've been out of school.

Post #129: "snip" i said you need to be put in your place

Post #139: Removed by Moderator (was to me)

Post #151: "snip" i do as i wish

Post #153: "snip" it's people like you who kept the world thinking the world was flat,

Post #195: "snip" dont smear your almighty babble on me if you want me to listen "snip" but if you want to even resemble a respectable person, you may wanna try a new approach "snip" no wonder i think your methods are bunk.

Post #226: "snip" im not giving a damn about such rules.

Post #227: "snip" you punk. "snip" go ahead jerk. have fun

post #228: "snip" hey, if your old mind has you forgetting things so bad that you forget to read previous posts, im sorry, i guess ill have to remind you.

WOW! You sure have a way with words!

230 posted on 12/24/2002 6:34:14 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
It looks as though you've captured the essence of MacDorcha's style, there.
231 posted on 12/24/2002 6:46:20 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
There were a few I missed. But I think this gets the picture across quite well. :-)
232 posted on 12/24/2002 6:59:37 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
If I had a job that interesting, would I be hanging out on FR?

Well, a clean-up job like that could get kinda messy:

There once was a man from Maclean,
Who invented a sex-toy machine.
Concave, or convex
it would service either sex,
but oh, what a b*stard to clean!

233 posted on 12/24/2002 7:00:37 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
LMAO! Never heard that one before! :-)

You getting an early start on the bubbly? :-))

234 posted on 12/24/2002 7:26:25 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
From 116 to Dr. Stochastic: "pie times the raidus.... squared i think...."

I can envision Andy Griffith shaking his head. "No, son! Pie are round. Corn bread are square!"

235 posted on 12/24/2002 7:33:25 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: RadioAstronomer
You getting an early start on the bubbly? :-))

No, but when I do; LOOK OUT!

236 posted on 12/24/2002 7:35:56 PM PST by longshadow
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To: RadioAstronomer
To think I felt sorry for this kid. I guess I'll never learn.
237 posted on 12/24/2002 7:39:04 PM PST by Sentis
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To: VadeRetro
Andy Griffith shaking his head

HAHAHA! Check out Physicist's post #183 :-)

238 posted on 12/24/2002 7:46:36 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Sentis
To think I felt sorry for this kid. I guess I'll never learn.

Not all kids are this rude thank goodness!

239 posted on 12/24/2002 7:48:45 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: VadeRetro
A cone of scones?
240 posted on 12/24/2002 8:53:00 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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