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Why men don't like church: testosterone
The Ottawa Citizen ^ | Sunday, December 22, 2002 | Emanuella Grinberg

Posted on 12/22/2002 4:52:42 PM PST by freeforall

Why men don't like church: testosterone Skipping services typical of engaging in 'short-sighted' risks

Emanuella Grinberg The Ottawa Citizen

Sunday, December 22, 2002

The risk-taking impulse that makes more men than women commit crimes is also the reason men are more likely not to be religious, says a sociologist.

"It seems that not being religious is a form of risk-taking, consistent with other patterns of short-sighted behaviour in men," said Rodney Stark, a professor of sociology and comparative religion at the University of Washington, whose study will be published in The Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion.

"Every minister knows it's harder to get the guys to church than the women," he said. "We ought to be asking why this is."

Biological differences between men and women mean that men are more likely to have an "underdeveloped ability to inhibit their impulses," he said. "Especially those involving immediately gratification and thrills."

Mr. Stark based his conclusions on World Values Surveys, a poll of residents in 57 countries, with about 1,000 respondents in each country, which included the U.S., most European countries, Mexico, Brazil, Japan, Turkey, China and India. The results showed that there were sex differences everywhere, even in religions that are very male-centred, such as Orthodox Judaism.

Mr. Stark and fellow sociologist Alan Miller published another paper based on whether gender socialization or differences in social power played a role in religiousness. Studies have shown that career women are just as religious as housewives, he said.

Mr. Stark isn't satisfied with the notion that women are socialized to be more nurturing and have more time for worship than men. For him, it is a matter of gender that makes men less religious, but not a matter of the socialization of genders, said Mr. Stark.

"It used to be said that women were socialized to raise the kids and take care of the home, but when you compare a career woman to a housewife, you see that both are still a heck of a lot more religious than any man."

He says that if not a product of socialization, low rates of male religiousness can be attributed to physiology, much like higher instances of crime among men compared with women.

"There are big gender differences among Christians, Orthodox Jews and Muslims, but in each case, more women are going to more services and saying they adhere to religious mores than men. If it were a matter of socialization, it would show up in the results," he said.

Mr. Stark also said his findings are consistent with the beliefs of criminologists across North America who find aggression more prevalent in men than women.

"High testosterone levels have been proven to make men more likely to commit crimes. The tendency in men toward risky behaviour keeps turning up even where socialization is different, and so does crime and delinquency."

© Copyright 2002 The Ottawa Citizen


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To: JanKrtitel
I share your admiration of RLK's intellect but, alas, I doubt our admiration can ever equal his. I am reminded of Zsa Zsa Gabor's statement about one of her husbands, George Sanders. (paraphrased) "When I married George we were both in love with him. I stopped loving him but he didn't."
61 posted on 12/22/2002 8:09:35 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: MonroeDNA
You can believe in God without believing in the Bible.

You cannot believe in the God of the Bible without believing in the Bible. Satan is the god of this world and many who believe in him deny the bible. There are many other gods peope believe in that are not of the Bible. See Exodus 34:14

62 posted on 12/22/2002 8:15:21 PM PST by templar
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To: hinckley buzzard
The Holy Spirit isn't dependent on testosterone or any other thing wich is rotting away, but man's spirit is based upon things immortal. The body might be the temple for the Holy Spirit, but myopic views of material things indicate the author doesn't know where to begin when discussing things of the spirit.
63 posted on 12/22/2002 8:22:12 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: freeforall
I am not really sure this is true. Mormonism is a very male oriented religion, as is of course Islam. There are others.

I think somebody may be confusing "churchiness"-- being a joiner, attending services, taking a role in the visible local church mechanism...

with actual religious faith and belief, which is usually actually HIGHER among men than women, in the USA at least. This study seems to be contaminated by Canada.

Certainly far more men than women have voted/taken the political stances, that Christianity would cause/teach them to do, in the last 25 to 40 years in the USA.

64 posted on 12/22/2002 8:24:13 PM PST by crystalk
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To: templar
Good point. Another sound attack is the meaning of belief from the Greek as used in the Gospels.

One might have some information about God, but to be filled with the Holy Spirit and walk by Him, one must have an outward knowledge or belief which today is made manifest by a desire to be further filled by the Spirit and the Word of God goes hand in hand with that thirst.
65 posted on 12/22/2002 8:28:00 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: toddst
You can believe in the Tao, a first cause, a creator even, or in some one supreme being or spirit [such as Allah=Satan], or many gods/spirits, without believing in the Bible...

But I doubt you can believe in and worship, the God of Israel, YHWH, the same god that Christians and Jews worship, without veneration of and immersion in, the Bible.

66 posted on 12/22/2002 8:28:26 PM PST by crystalk
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To: RLK
Isn't GWB a Methodist?
67 posted on 12/22/2002 8:36:34 PM PST by Nate505
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To: Hila
Men aren't likely to surrender to the traditional wimpy, smarmy, faggish images of Christ that have been pushed on us for years. The REAL Son of God was a perfect Man and bold enough to kick ass on the money changers in the temple as well as man enough to hold the truth of God's work above all else.

Most churches prefer to show Christian men as crybabies (Promise Keepers) who have to imitate women to prove that they are men.

68 posted on 12/22/2002 8:37:15 PM PST by Eagle Eye
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Every year I eagerly await the results of the Southern Baptist convention where they make the most biblically based and politically incorrect statement possible.

LOL and Amen. I am proud to be a part of a denomination that offends more liberals per capita than any denomination on earth today.

69 posted on 12/22/2002 8:40:03 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The feminist radicals made common cause with the homosexual lobby. They help one another's causes. Both are symptoms of doctrinal apostasy. They share a common loathing for the authority of the Bible.

The time has come for people to de-fund the old, apostate mainline denominations and start independent groups.
70 posted on 12/22/2002 8:45:13 PM PST by Chemnitz
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To: RLK
You know how I respect your work and writings. However, there is simply no way to deal with moral guilt except through the atonement of Christ. I am certain that you are a moral guy compared to most (probably you live better than I do), but sin and guilt remain. God bless you and yours this Christmas.
71 posted on 12/22/2002 8:45:56 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: toddst
No problem here.

For me, the Bible and communicating with God are very seperate.

I have one, without the other. And it's been my experience that the converse is true: Many quote the bible, but are not communicating with God. Jim Baker, etc.
72 posted on 12/22/2002 8:50:09 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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To: MonroeDNA
His name sounds Dutch - so if he signed up just a few hours ago in Holland, it would already be tomorrow unless he was on first or was that who?
73 posted on 12/22/2002 8:50:28 PM PST by Let's Roll
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To: Let's Roll
Great work, Freeper detective!

For a second, I thought it was a miracle...
74 posted on 12/22/2002 8:51:58 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Except Christianity. Which believes that no matter how good you are, you cannot live up to the God's standards to get in Heaven. God instead, knowing this came down to us in the form of an ordinary man to make the ultimate perfect sacrifice that would cover all people for all time if they would only believe in Him and follow.

Heh, I always liked this "get out of jail free card" of a religious concept. I know a few Christians closely who hold this view and it basically means they can do anything they like and still get to Heaven because they "believe." I asked them if a non-beliver, a baby raised in some non-Christian country, for instance, would get to heaven, or spend eternity in hell. Well, the Bible is pretty clear on that -- hellsville for the little children -- tough luck on them. No matter how loving and charitable and giving and every other thing we consider quality in a human being -- it is to the hellsville dumpster for them, cuz they didn't believe. But "believers" can cheat, steal, fornicate, lie, doublecross others, etc -- and they have a direct pass to Heaven.

Ya gotta get a kick out of looney religions and their nutty believers. It always makes me smile (except when they grab the hot coals and try to burn out the eyes of us disbelievers.)

75 posted on 12/22/2002 9:01:47 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: toddst
"I hear this from people all the time. From my perspective The Bible is the story given to us by God about creation and His love for us."

Actually, the Bible was written by Catholics.

Since leaving the Catholic Church, I've found that God does not seem to be upset. I've never been closer to God in my life than I am today. This, after years of Sunday school, church (hated it always), "sacraments," and all the gobledygook.

I left the church, and think that the Bible is a good story, but it is a story, written by men. Good reading, 1000 years ago. Yet I've never been closer to God than today. When I am willing to listen, that is. Which is shamefully not often enough.

It is a lot harder to find God on your own, than to sit, confused, on a bench every Sunday. Watching the guy next to you, to see how much he put on the plate. But it is worth it.

76 posted on 12/22/2002 9:03:39 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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To: Eagle Eye
Most churches prefer to show Christian men as crybabies (Promise Keepers) who have to imitate women to prove that they are men.

Ooooh, rough stuff. But accurate nonetheless. It's high time for a resurgence of full-bodied maleness among the followers of Christ, but don't expect to figure out what it should look like from anything you might have seen through the lens of the current poisonous culture.

My younger daughter has been working overtime and is surprised that the heavy schedule drains her so much. Her boyfriend has been working 20-plus shifts (not every day, mind you!) and he is still going. I told her, "Guys are tough, and we enjoy running 'pedal to the metal'. You can't expect to do the same -- you're a woman." It's a self-evident fact, but can you imagine how weird it was to say this out loud, given the 30-plus year-long feminist propaganda barrage to the effect that there really is no difference?

Let's recover the freedom to be what we ought, and stop pretending to be what we ain't!

77 posted on 12/22/2002 9:07:33 PM PST by thulldud
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To: Eagle Eye
Religion is something invented by men to control other men, and especially to control women. They've been programmed by the various world societies to find solace in church for the miserable lives they lead at home.

When men buy into this stuff, like the Promise Keeper attenders you mention, they can be controlled by the men in charge of the religion, using the same interpretations of the "scriptures" that the old time rulers used to keep people in subjugation to the crown. Is it any wonder that there is a "King James" version of the Bible??!!

78 posted on 12/22/2002 9:08:31 PM PST by hunter112
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To: mfulstone
"Nope
It's because men aren't flooded with smarmy-emotion-inducing hormones every month. Therefore, they examine religion without emotional bias."

Speaking as a (married) woman, I quit going to church because I was bored senseless. Heck, I would find myself unable to keep my eyes open.

I think the "research" is a form of male bashing. I doubt testosterone has much to do with the reason some men do not attend church. I doubt it is that simplistic.
79 posted on 12/22/2002 9:12:02 PM PST by Pintobean
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To: RLK
"People of the cloth tend to have the lowest IQ and MAT scores of all the professions, which make conversation and other association with them a burden."

This is perhaps one of "lowest IQ" responses I've ever seen on FR. Dear Dr, GET HELP. Bloviations do not followers make~

80 posted on 12/22/2002 9:30:14 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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