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Coffee,Tea,or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wifes Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell attheAirport?
lewrockwell.com ^ | 12/18/2002 | Nicholas Monahan

Posted on 12/21/2002 11:33:05 AM PST by Libertarian Billy Graham

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To: Chico
"Flying in the last tri-mester is generally not recommended for good reasons."

I was only 2 weeks pregnant with my first child, a son, when my husband and I flew to California to visit relatives. Even though the doctor had not confirmed it, I realized after arriving in California that I was pregnant.

How could I know so soon? After several years of trying and several failed pregnancies, I could tell the early signs (almost immediate morning sickness, heightened sense of smell, strong reactions to unpleasant odors, etc). When a vagrant got on the trolley car and sat several seats down from me, I became so physically ill I had to get off at the next stop. At that moment, I knew, and informed my husband.

When shocked me the most was our return flight home. I felt the pressure on my uterus the entire time. I'd traveled in the past and never had flight sickness before - not this time. It was actually painful to be on the plane. When we reached DFW, I literally collapsed to my knees on the walkway outside the airport and was ill.

My younger and only sister was married when I was seven months pregnant. Since she and my family live in NY and I live in TX, I did not attend. For a couple so concerned about the health and well-being of their child, they took a huge risk, IMO.

As for the conduct of the screener, it was not acceptable.

I traveled just last week to NY to see the family. My husband and I pulled up with our "dreaded" minivan, unloaded a pile of suitcases, two carseats, a toddler, a "terrible two-ster", a diaper back, a knapsack of toys and snacks, my pocketbook, and my husband's CD case. We sailed through security as if 9-11 never happened.

I don't know about other places, but DFW and LGA were wonderful.

561 posted on 12/21/2002 9:08:33 PM PST by TheWriterInTexas
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
The guy complaining sounds bent.
562 posted on 12/21/2002 9:17:24 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: FSPress
Please stay in Ireland and don't lecture Americans on freedom.

Oh, I didn't realise I was lecturing. I thought I was just expressing an opinion. Funny that, I can do that in good old Catholic repressed Ireland on the internet, and am met by people who tell me not to. Freedom of expression? *LOL* No wonder people globally get the wrong impression. Happily, as a journalist, I continue to get the right message from America out to the populice..(and that is a Conservative message btw)

563 posted on 12/21/2002 9:20:09 PM PST by Happygal
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To: ChemistCat
Oh, I forgot. You Europeans think the WTC crashing down was just what we deserve, and we ought to shut up and quit whining about it?

Yeah. THAT'S what ALL we Europeans think. EUROPE has a Ji-Had of it's own on America.. </sarcasm off>

Now when you take your tin foil hat off...maybe we can talk rationally? Eh?

564 posted on 12/21/2002 9:23:53 PM PST by Happygal
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To: ChemistCat; Happygal
To: Happygal
"... Somebody squeezing some breasts on pregnant women in Oregon is NOT contributing one bit to national security. That our government is LYING to us about this, on the big picture and the small...is TERRIFYING to me.

Whether this guy is lying or not is not really important. It's that our government has taken away our rights for the sake of a sham like this and people are DEFENDING it that matters.
# 535 by ChemistCat
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Well said, ChemistCat.

The Patriot Act was our government's official notice that our society is no longer a free society.

"Terrorism" is just an excuse.

565 posted on 12/21/2002 9:31:26 PM PST by exodus
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To: exodus
Thanks
566 posted on 12/21/2002 9:37:36 PM PST by 185JHP
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To: exodus
Thanks for the ping.

I might have missed this otherwise. It's a good thing I'll be going to sleep soon because I have a felling of intense anger.

Congressmen know this is going on. They have the power to put an end to it. And they don't.

ML/NJ

567 posted on 12/21/2002 9:39:25 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: A CA Guy; Libertarian Billy Graham
To: Libertarian Billy Graham
The guy complaining sounds bent.
# 562 by A CA Guy
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I wasn't even there, and I'm "bent" about it, A CA Guy .

Their rights were violated. Their very freedom was shown to be a threat to our government's regular operations.

We live in a tyranny, A CA Guy.

I was "bent" about it BEFORE the Patriot Act made the tyranny official.

568 posted on 12/21/2002 9:40:19 PM PST by exodus
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To: HairOfTheDog
Each time they check someone like me or you, they are not checking Mohammed Atta.

They are doing both, I believe that.

Some people also believe in Santa Claus.

How's your dog?

569 posted on 12/21/2002 9:46:49 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: Happygal
You just go to Baghdad then and play human shield. My bets are on GCraig; it is his role to save civilization from all who threaten it--whether they're in Baghdad or Riyadh or Ireland. (He may have to leave it to us to save ourselves from the Euroweenie-style government we're letting rule us.)

And you can just sit in an airport on your way there, and let someone grope you, and feel you're doing your part. It sure is an effective blow against global terrorism, proving over and over that you don't have a bomb in your brassiere.

I will not apologize, and if you think my taking genuine offense at your anti-American attitude is irrational, so be it. Nuke the terrorist savages! Molon labe!
570 posted on 12/21/2002 9:48:02 PM PST by ChemistCat
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To: ml/nj
To: exodus
Thanks for the ping. I might have missed this otherwise. It's a good thing I'll be going to sleep soon because I have a felling of intense anger. Congressmen know this is going on. They have the power to put an end to it. And they don't.
# 567 by ml/nj
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An intense anger shared by anyone with a mind, ml/nj .

Yes, Congress knew what they did. The Patriot Act was planned, and it had nothing to do with terrorism.

571 posted on 12/21/2002 10:02:31 PM PST by exodus
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To: Happygal
Someone squeezing a pregnant woman's breats in Oregon, and someone squeezing MY breasts in Heathrow.

WHAT'S the difference.
We're both women?

There is a difference, little lassie.

Moshing a daughter of The Emerald Isle's hooters in ol' Blighty is somewhat reasonable since the IRA (they're Irish, y'know) has committed uncountable terrorist acts there and elsewhere against British targets.

572 posted on 12/21/2002 10:10:22 PM PST by kako
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To: HairOfTheDog
They should only harass people who fit the profile of a terrorist but we are too pc to do that now aren't we.
573 posted on 12/21/2002 10:19:21 PM PST by weikel
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To: kako; Happygal
Someone squeezing a pregnant woman's breats in Oregon, and someone squeezing MY breasts in Heathrow. WHAT'S the difference? We're both women.
To: Happygal
There is a difference, little lassie. Moshing a daughter of The Emerald Isle's hooters in ol' Blighty is somewhat reasonable since the IRA (they're Irish, y'know) has committed uncountable terrorist acts there and elsewhere against British targets.
# 572 by kako
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I can't agree, kako.

Privacy is a right. The fact that the Irish and English have been intimidated into abandoning their privacy does not negate the right itself.

I don't like seeing that same intimidation used against us, by our own government.

I can't believe that Americans would defend the loss of our freedom with the words, "it's for our protection."

574 posted on 12/21/2002 10:28:09 PM PST by exodus
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To: kako
Moshing a daughter of The Emerald Isle's hooters in ol' Blighty is somewhat reasonable since the IRA (they're Irish, y'know) has committed uncountable terrorist acts there and elsewhere against British targets.

Sorry?
I already SAID I don't mind being profiled.
Why do Americans ALL of a sudden think they shouldn't when half of the terrorists blowing them up already got US passports? (Don't make me vomit now!!!!!)

I'm a conservative
I'm ALSO a realist.

575 posted on 12/21/2002 10:28:11 PM PST by Happygal
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Moshing a daughter of The Emerald Isle's hooters in ol' Blighty is somewhat reasonable since the IRA (they're Irish, y'know) has committed uncountable terrorist acts there and elsewhere against British targets.
To: kako
Sorry? I already SAID I don't mind being profiled. Why do Americans ALL of a sudden think they shouldn't when half of the terrorists blowing them up already got US passports? (Don't make me vomit now!!!!!) I'm a conservative. I'm ALSO a realist.
# 575 by Happygal
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You have no problem with giving up your right of privacy, Happygal? I don't consider that a "conservative" position.

Freedom isn't something governments are authorized to interfere with. Infringement of our rights isn't something a true conservative would accept.

576 posted on 12/21/2002 10:41:14 PM PST by exodus
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To: exodus
Actually, I agree absolutely with everything you said. I was just being onery with the Irish lady. My bad.

I firmly believe in Franklin's sage maxim about "those who trade liberty for security deserve neither". My previous posts on other threads should bear that out.

I'm not one of the sheeple though sometimes I feel like the herd is going to trample me to death as I go the other way.

577 posted on 12/21/2002 10:43:48 PM PST by kako
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To: exodus; MadIvan
Define 'right of privacy' for me.

And counterpose that with people who aren't prepared to enter into air, or other travel, without random search.
578 posted on 12/21/2002 10:45:40 PM PST by Happygal
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To: exodus
Also can I accept that you discourage profiling?
579 posted on 12/21/2002 10:49:43 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
How about the right to not be subjected to unreasonable searches? We (used to) have something like that in the United States.

Having ones titties moshed by some Federal security guard certainly violates that.

580 posted on 12/21/2002 10:55:46 PM PST by kako
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