Posted on 12/21/2002 11:21:49 AM PST by DouglasKC
Trying to prove a negative is an informal fallacy.
Now, concerning the Bible. I am an atheist who has read it. Your God (Jesus) did give a message to the seven churches. Also, it was your Jesus Christ who defined what the Church was - - 'Where ever two or more of you are gathered for my namesake, there shall I be in your midst...'
These instructive statements are hardly a representation to advocate the modern idolatry of current traditions surrounding Christmas...
Trying to prove a negative is an informal fallacy.
It is also an informal fallcy to say becuase it cannot be proven, it must be true. Fallacy of accident. You are also not immune to it, sir...
I see no written prohibitions from athletic competitions as there are prohibitions against traditions resembling Christmas celebrations activities.
Besides that, Paul himself used numerous athletic terms and analogies in his letters. Odd that he would use athleticism so much if it were prohibited.
My question to you is this: Do you believe that it is permisssible to practice that which was banned due to idolotry?
Evidently not people trying to read their own half-baked opinions into the Scriptures. Nor the whacked-out West Texas website 2sheep sent me to to "prove" C.S. Lewis was a Satanist.
I don't know where you got the idea that I was trying to use the absence of celebrating Christmas in the Scriptures to prove that it must be celebrated. I merely pointed out the serious logical flaw of saying that if celebrating Christmas is not mentioned in the Bible then it must, ipso facto, be a sin. That's the kind of faulty thinking that evidently passes for logic with 2sheep, ALS, and DouglasKC.
Besides, one could make a very good argument that the angels singing songs of praise, the wise men bearing gifts, and the sheperds coming to worship was indeed the first celebration of Christmas.
That is a mis-characterization of my statement. The absence of instruction to either celebrate it or not to celebrate Christmas as it is currently practiced is not an advocacy to do so.
I really care not how it is seen from a point of sectarian perspective. I think both sides of this discussion have, in certain respects, engaged in tactics of condemnation rather than a persuit of expressing conviction of belief.
With that said, I also see this as a good natured debate among friends and political allies about philosophy, theology and it is intellectual stimulation. We need this to develop tactics that will defeat our common enemies. Just keep it friendly. Heated, but friendly. At the end of the day, we should all be able to sit down and have a beer together and tell jokes or unite in war against those who would destroy our freedom to discuss such topics.
We did not say that! Your saying we did is a lie. Stop changing what people say and then accusing them of what you think they say because you don't understand.
The Marxist propaganda technique of the Hegelian Dialectic promotes unity that forsakes truth. What you suggest is that and is just the opposite of what the Bible says to do. The Bible says to "come out and be separate" from evil and from spiritual whoredom. It says to reprove, rebuke, but ultimately to reject hereticks and whoremongers (which in this case would be spiritual whoremongers). It says of the form of godliness crowd..."from such turn away." It also says when they do not receive you, dust off your feet and leave.
None of that allows for unity with unbelievers and those preaching another gospel, for those are not brothers, they are false brethren. Because the church as fallen away, most churches preach apostacy. Globalists promote apostacy and ecumenism and hate the true gospel of holiness and obedience. See 122 for many links and more on the Heglian Dialectic which attempts to drive Christians to the lukewarm center of compromise and consensus. It is also called Diaprax and is related to the Delphi Technique.
2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Mr 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
39 -- "Show me where He changed, please. Chapter and verse." -- by 2sheep in response to me saying that Christmas is now a Christian day of celebration.
95 -- "The point being that Christmas is the primary season (not even a day) that has replaced God's Holy days." by DouglasKC.105 -- "God's holy days are enumerated in Exodus 34" by DouglasKC154 -- "If His birthday was such an important event, why did neither He nor any of his followers observe it?" by ALS187 -- "Neither Christ nor His apostles or the 1st church participated in these pagan practices .... The two biggest events of the year for modern 'christians' are not kept by any christians in the bible." by ALS
You did well Dallas. Hey Marvin! Dallas knows you are homeless and live under the bridge and would probably ask you into his home but you probably smell bad, have a drug habit etc. so merry christmass and stay under the bridge. Enjoy the socks buddy!
Sorry Dallas, I understand but just couldn't help saying that.
Here are two sites re C.S. Lewis and another one which is related to these issues. Let others decide whether they are "West Texas wackos" or whether you are:
Tolkien's Lord of the Rings ~ Berit Kjos re friendship with C.S. Lewis
The Lord of the Rings: Paganism, Christianity or Syncretized Christianity? ~ re C.S. Lewis
Conforming the Church to the New Millennium & redefining Christianity ~ Berit Kjos
I have spent a lot of time putting things together...scriptures, links, etc. You have either not read that or you have chosen to not believe any of it. You asked more questions about sun god worship which is clearly exposed in the Too Long in the Sun link I posted above in #15. You deny and then stamp your foot like Jezebel demanding more proof to dissuade you of your Unbelief. while you accuse others falsely. Just as He promises to do to those who receive Him and hear His voice, the Holy Spirit streams scriptures through my head of what I could say, but says...to what effect is it to continue a fruitless conversation with someone who resists truth and continues in Unbelief.
If you are having sex with a woman in the dark and think it is your wife and then you turn on the light, open your eyes and see it is another woman...you are a whoremonger and adulterer. If you continue without repenting, you are worse. GET OUT OF BED WITH THE WHORE! REPENT! Same principle applies to strange gods and false doctrines.
Here are some thing you might look up:
The L~rd went around healing people. The Bible doesn't mention specifically the healing of gall bladders, migraine headaches, thyroids, legs growing longer, high blood pressure, heart conditions and so on. It speaks specifically and often of those He healed who were DEAF, BLIND, DUMB and LAME. There is a huge spiritual picture there! Consider it!
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Did you or did you not type those things that were attributed to you? If I have misunderstood the reason(s) for not celebrating Christmas, then what are the reasons?
Shoot, you could have just written a few words in large, bold, flaming red text, poasted a picture of Nimrod carrying a supposed Christmas tree, waxed eloquently on Ishtar and Santa Claus, and blamed the thunderstorm Dallas had the other night on George W. Bush reading one of C.S. Lewis' satanic books, then denying that you really meant any of that stuff. After the past couple of days, I'm used to reading posts like that.
I checked the history on my computer. It says I have never been to that site. I know nothing about that website. It wasn't me that sent those links to you. The only ones I know of about Lewis are what I posted above. You are wrong again.
Bye.
Whatever you say.
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