Immigration: Where is the OUTRAGE??

The Sierra Times ^ | Dec. 20, 2002 | Jackie Juntti

[madfly]

I have been surfing the many news pages for months, and all the headlines, for the most part on a daily basis, mention the "War" in the Middle East. It is either Iraq, bin Laden, Palestine, Saudi Arabia or the like. Many articles about America going to fight over in that part of the world - the pretext being that we are fighting "terrorism".

I have yet to see headlines about the Invasion of America on our Southern Border. The SILENCE is deafening on this topic. The only time I read articles related to the Mexican invasion is when one or another ILLEGAL INVADER is spotlighted as not being able to get "instate tuition" at some tax funded school, or one of them needs very expensive medical care. All of this type of "news" coverage is based upon the bleeding heart mentality that we rich Americans should be opening our national door and bringing in all who wish to come and benefit from our years of hard work.

We have laws regarding "immigration" and we have a procedure to be followed to legally enter America. Many foreigners follow those rules and eventually are able to enter - legally - and then apply to become citizens. I welcome each and every one of those people. Members of my family originally entered America in this manner, coming in through Ellis Island. Another part of my family was here to greet them, as they were native Americans.

I can't fathom the silence of the media in reporting on the stealth invasion of America by all those who avoid detection at legal entry points. I can't understand why they are not making this a daily headline, with the numbers in bold print as they did during the Viet Nam war with the body counts.

I can't fathom why Bush, Cheney, Colin Powell, Ashcroft, and all those in Congress are not doing daily press conferences, alerting Americans to the invasion that has been, and continues to take place every single day of the year.

Where is the OUTRAGE they had following Sept. 11th? Do we need planes diving into buildings and fires raging in order to stand in front of cameras saying that AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK!!!

Why are the leaders of this nation so silent on this INVASION at our Southern Border? What is the back room deal that has been cut to keep the Welcome Wagon Ladies standing there, tables heaped high with goodies paid for by the America taxpayer? Why are we not condemning Vicente Fox for sending in his stealth operatives as we condemn Osama bin Laden and his ilk? What is the difference?

We have almost daily "ALERTS!" about some threat of some kind from the "terrorists" but nothing about the INVASION of AMERICA from Mexico and elsewhere. Why is there such SILENCE on this matter?

Recently, Rudy Giulliani went to Mexico as a consultant to deal with the alarming crime rate there. In fact, he was alleged to be the target of a kidnapping attempt while there. I hope "dealing with the Mexican crime rate" doesn't mean sending them North to the U.S. Vicente Fox and his Coyotes have been doing that job already, and quite successfully.

I can hardly wait for Sen. 'Chatty' Patty Murray of Washington to hold a press conference exclaiming how Fox & Coyotes have built schools and all those same good things she is now applauding bin Laden for. Perhaps we will have Jim McDermott standing along side of her telling of his recent visit and how wonderful those folks are that just want to find a "better life" in America. Even better would be for all this to be "Bipartisan", and all those GOP politicians could stand with them pushing open the borders so everyone can have a miserable life when America is finally brought to her knees by the INVASION taking place before our eyes.

I am telling you, there is something mighty strange going on. America is being invaded and the leaders of America are pushing to open the gate even wider to the invaders. They have already granted AMNESTY to thousands and now want to grant more options for the last wave of invaders. They are keeping a lid on any news that exposes this invasion - twisting it to promote only the "plight" of those poor downtrodden ILLEGALS, so as to build up more bleeding hearts to open our homes to the invading troops. They won't even refer to them as what they are - illegal invading troops - they refer to them as "undocumented aliens" - that is supposed to make us feel sorry for them and to ignore the fact that our laws have been violated.

We also have George W. Bush - the president of AMERICA - opening the Social Security benefits to Mexicans. I guess welfare, education, health care, housing, unemployment, isn't enough. We need to send them SS checks too.

Maybe we should bring Rudy Giulliani back here to deal with the ALARMING CRIME RATE in the Federal Government. We have men in high places openly subverting American law and our Constitution. If nothing else, maybe Rudy, with his recent experience at attending funerals, could officiate over the death of America as we knew it.

Where is the OUTRAGE?

Bye, bye, Miss American Pie, Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry. Them good ol' boys were drinking whiskey and rye Singing 'This'll be the day that I die, 'This'll be the day that I die.'"

© 2002 SierraTimes.com (unless otherwise noted)

[Mr. Mojo]

If you want to argue that illegals aren't American, then we'll take this argument elsewhere -- straight to your race trap.

Immigrants here illegally are most certainly NOT Americans. That title is reserved only for legal citizens of the United States. If they were Americans, they would have the exact same rights as citizens. Thankfully, they do not.

Spanish American War? (Hint: it proposed that American ideals weren't just for Americans.)

Just because Americans believe that their ideals should be applied universally doesn't mean that non-citizens should be granted intentical rights. And again, they are not.

[PRND21]

Why else would congress agree to pay Mexicans retirement pay on the taxes they paid while working in the U.S.?

Because they paid taxes while working here legally.

Welcome Back!

[Happy2BMe]

I looked at the "Super Region" corridor.

It is a corridor of about 100 miles wide with U.S. HWY 83 as the "Backbone."

They underestimated the super region width by about 1,000 miles.

[nicollo]

Nice of you to call my mouth big. I'm flattered. How's my keyboard?

Sorry, bud, you lose it here:

The American people haven't lost their resolve to stop illegal immigration. Their elected representatives are ignoring the wishes of the majority, but to their own peril.

Go get the votes. Then call me an ass.

Nobody here questions illegal immigration. We question your conclusions drawn from it. And that wasn't my point, anyway, which your small ears weren't able to hear. We're talking about what constitutes immigration. Sad to say, but illegal immigration is immigration. You wanna talk War on Drugs? How 'bout speeding?

Here's another hint (listen carefully):

malum prohibitum, non malum in se

[4Freedom]

I proudly BUMP yet another of my American brothers to the top.

[nicollo]

Well, let's define Americans. Citizenship and rights of citizens are certainly a thing. And I didn't challenge that.

I did say that anyone who comes here is trying to be American. If they wanted to stay Mexican, for example, they'd stay in Mexico.

[4Freedom]

"Go get the votes."

Got'em. The Democrats promised a blanket amnesty, if they were given control of both houses of Congress. Did they get it?

You can bet your bottom dollar if the Democrats would have won, the media would have played it as a mandate for amnesty. Why isn't the converse true, Nicollo?

Nobody said illegal immigration wasn't immigration. Where did you read anything to the contrary? What are you talking about?

[judgeandjury]

Yah, I've heard that story that Tancredo didn't know. I believe that about as much as I would believe you if you told me that you didn't know the busboy was an illegal. Or that all the busboys are illegal.

Are you feeling ok? You seem to be teetering on the edge of incoherence.

[Mr. Mojo]

I did say that anyone who comes here is trying to be American

Actually, you said "if you want to argue that illegals aren't American, then we'll take this argument elsewhere." (At least in the post of yours I referenced). That's quite different than what you wrote above.

But let's take a look at your most recent statement now. While it's probably true that most people who come here (legally or not) are trying to gain American citizenship, there are some exceptions. 1) Islamists who plan to do us harm (a higher number than you'd imagine), 2) People who come to earn enough money to send back to their families in other nations, and plan on eventually going back (which rarely happens).

[judgeandjury]

So if you, or anyone else, has a problem with mariachi music, lowriders, or spanish being spoken, I suggest you get some counseling and do what you can to get over it.

Can you say "Race baiter"?

[4Freedom]

"If they wanted to stay Mexican, for example, they'd stay in Mexico."

You really shouldn't be posting, if you're too lazy to read the whole thread. The majority of Mexicans (58%) believe that the American Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico.

The Majority of Mexicans want it back.

[Missouri]

Go easy a little easier on these pro-immigration folks Freedom. Political Correctness says to be seeensitive to the illgeals. You might hurt someones feeeeelings.

[judgeandjury]

If you want to argue that illegals aren't American, then we'll take this argument elsewhere -- straight to your race trap.

Illegals AREN'T Americans. If they WERE Americans, they wouldn't be illegals.

[nicollo]

Oh, my, fine distinctions escape small ears. Ilegal immigration in effect is immigration. You can fight reality all you want. Won't change the fact that Mexicans and others want to come here. And they will get here. Next time someone sends you flowers, don't forget to tip the driver. Nine times out of ten, he's illegal. Maybe he'll spend your three bucks on return fare to Guadalahara.

Do anti-drug laws stop drug use? Do speed limits stop speeding? Choose your outrage carefully. But never piss into the wind. It don't taste good.

I'm all for anti-drug laws and speed limits. It's necessary pressure against drugs and speeding. I am also against abusive speed limits and anti-drug laws. Can your knife cut these thin lines?

INS, Border Patrol and immigration law are necessary to combat illegal immigration. But it won't stop it. I'm always amazed at Conservatives who argue against gun control but rail against the reality of illegal immigration. I don't know where you stand on gun control. I do know that people who think anti-gun laws will stop crime are morons.

You really think the current regime is gonna satisfy your immigration outrage? You're in for a sad surprise.

Boo!

(Btw, I'm Mexican)

[JackelopeBreeder]

Speaking for Southeast Arizona, the Mexicans have no real claim at all. The Apaches who used to inhabit these parts did a very good job of keeping them out of the 'hood until us gringos showed up. Same for the Commanches in western Texas and New Mexico. Hell, in the 1870s and 1880s there were more Chinese here than Mexicans. And more blacks, courtesy of the Buffalo Soldiers of the fighting 9th and 10th Cavalry Regiments at Fort Huachuca.

[Mr. Mojo]

The majority of Mexicans (58%) believe that the American Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico.

Yep, have you seen these nutballs? They attempt to tie their "struggle" with the Palestinians, for some strange reason.

[Joe Hadenuf]

You really think the current regime is gonna satisfy your immigration outrage? You're in for a sad surprise. Boo! (Btw, I'm Mexican)

Spoken like a true, new Republican.

[Missouri]

>>Yah, I've heard that story that Tancredo didn't know.<<


It seems that a lynch mob is forming and is going after Rep. Tancredo all based on what a leftist newspaper in Denver has printed. And some of the lynchers are right here on FR. BTW, some of them have ESP and know whether people are lying or not.
I think Mr. Bin Frinklin has signed of for tonight as shall I. This thread has been a good one.

[nicollo]

...Islamists who plan to do us harm...

Oh, come on. I said nothing about that.

Yes, I wrote, "if you want to argue that illegals aren't American, then we'll take this argument elsewhere."

But you agree with this! I take it you'll also agree that terrorists don't want to be American? I also wrote that "anyone who comes here is trying to be American." Other than impugning my motives, which is your only defense here, these statements are not in conflict.

Let's write immigration law to keep terrorists out. If you think that banning Mexican immigration will get us there, then I'll disagree. There is waay to much disconnect between theory and reality on this thread.

What, do you suppose are my motives to think this way?

[nanny]

The author of this editorial, Jackie Juntti, said that "Fox and his Coyotes" are responsible for exporting Mexico's crime problem north over Mexico's border and into the United States.

Is it possible these people do not know what a 'coyote' is?