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Why a 'Gay' Activist Columnist at The Washington Times?
Culture & Family Institute of CWA ^ | 12/18/2002 | Peter LaBarbera

Posted on 12/19/2002 1:56:27 PM PST by Remedy

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He tirelessly advocates for "gay marriage" - an oxymoron if there ever was one.

And he regularly posits a moral equivalence between normal male-female relationships and unnatural homosexual couplings.

Worse, he claims to do so as a practicing Catholic.

 It appears that his "gayness" has trumped his "conservatism" once again.

wrongly assumes that his homosexual "orientation" is natural and criticizes the Church's age-old Biblical stance that homosexual behavior is sinful

Sullivan - who has AIDS and who was discovered last year to have posted a solicitation on a homosexual "barebacking" (condomless sodomy)

The last thing we need is for a self-described "family" newspaper - "America's newspaper" - to lend its respected pages to his immoral crusade.


1 posted on 12/19/2002 1:56:27 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy
It's a sad commentary on our times that today a person is probably more likely to be fired or disciplined at his job for opposing homosexuality than for being homosexual.

So why all the hub-bub over the need for special protections? Not long ago, the Oregonian ran a Lifestyles Section front page story on a couple that was having a great deal of trouble finding housing...because they had two cats. The photos and text made it abundantly clear that they were homosexuals, but their biggest problem in finding housing was the two cats.

2 posted on 12/19/2002 2:03:57 PM PST by gundog
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To: Remedy
Thanks for pulling together such a wealth of information . I find myself growing quite intolerant---not of gays, but of their constant PR machine that attempts to convert all of our thinking and gain our acceptance. They are wasting their breath on me. If they convince the entire society that their lifestyle is normal and acceptable---indeed honorable, they will still not have changed one iota of the real truth---the Word of God.
3 posted on 12/19/2002 2:16:57 PM PST by Faith
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To: Remedy
I canceled my subscription over it. I can get that kind of junk online for free. I bought the WTimes actually just to support a conservative paper. I'll still read it online. They've got some great stuff. But I feel no obligation any more to buy a subscription. There are many other talented columnists that could have chosen. It's their right to choose Sulli, but it's my right to disagree.

If the Washington Times were not a conservative publication then I would feel they SHOULD carry someone with Sullivan's liberal social views. It's only right to have balance. But this is different.

5 posted on 12/19/2002 2:23:44 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: ScottBuck
It's not a question of discrimination against gays, or running them out of the Republican party. Frankly I don't ask people I meet what their "sexual orientation" is, and I doubt if many people would.

The point is that there's a big difference between being gay and being a gay activist, working day and night to impose your "values" on everyone else by force of law.
6 posted on 12/19/2002 2:23:59 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Remedy
Your position apparently is that the Times must be totally monolithic in its approach, apparently because those of us who read it are too gullible and naive to be able to deal with Mr. Sullivan's advocacy of homosexual rights. Sorry Mommy, those old apron strings are just a LITTLE TOO CONFINING. I think I can read Mr. Sullivan's column (or choose not to read it) without feeling an uncontrollable impulse to wrap myself in pink ribbon.
7 posted on 12/19/2002 2:33:58 PM PST by blau993
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To: ScottBuck
Not only that, but many conservatives are not "conservative" when it comes to economic policy. Andrew Sullivan is an economic conservative. Sure, I can't agree with all of Sullivan's agenda, but he's a critical thinker about most topics and it would be foolish to just throw away his input because of his other "issues".
8 posted on 12/19/2002 2:44:42 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Remedy
Some of what is said here makes sense. But there is a problem. What Sullivan did was take a job at the Washington Times. Who among you want to deny him this? If so what writing jobs are you going to permit to do and why.

IMHO, this is an employment issue. No question about it, biologically and statistically homosexuality is not normal and the gays and the lesbians dispute this. Even my own professional association, American Psychiatric Association, disagrees with my convictions. But is preventing Sullivan from writing for a newspaper a way to solve the argument? I think not.

I think the homosexuals want to be accepted as they are in society. Unfortunately, their in-your-face-I-am-as normal are has resulted in an identity "politics" war. In the meantime, homosexuals are going to need jobs, places to live, religious institutions and everything else we desire and need. Neither the Constitution or common sense leaves much of an alternative

9 posted on 12/19/2002 2:47:12 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: blau993

the Times must be totally monolithic in its approach

No. More along the lines of the Anti-Defamation League hiring Joseph Goebbels as a public relations specialist, i.e., The Poisoned Stream. "Gay" Influence in Human History. Volume One. Germany 1890-1945.

 

10 posted on 12/19/2002 2:54:18 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy
So about post #19 of #20, madg will appear to tell us that the emperor in fact has really great clothes, and we really needn't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain.

Dan
12 posted on 12/19/2002 2:59:54 PM PST by BibChr
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To: RAT Patrol
The NYT runs Bill Safire. The Washington Post runs George Will. One gets the feeling that some would have this country be a theocracy, given the opportunity.
13 posted on 12/19/2002 2:59:55 PM PST by gcruse
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To: shrinkermd

Neither the Constitution or common sense leaves much of an alternative

Thomas Jefferson on Sodomy

Sect. XIV. Whosoever shall be guilty of rape, polygamy, or sodomy* with a man or woman, shall be punished; if a man, by castration, a woman, by boring through the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch in diameter at the least.

* Paragraph 25. H. 8. C. 6. Buggery is twofold. 1. With mankind, 2. With beasts. Buggery is the Genus, of which Sodomy and Bestiality, are the species. 12. Co. 37. Says, "note that Sodomy is with mankind." But Finch's L. B. 3. c. 24. "Sodomiary is a carnal copulation against nature, to wit, of man or woman in the same sex, or of either of them with beasts." 12. Co. 36. Says, "it appears by the ancient authorities of the law that this was felony." Yet the 25. H. 8. Declares it felony, as if supposed not the be so.... B. Fleta, L. i. c. 37. says, "pecorantes et Sodomitae in terra vivi confodiantur." The Mirror makes it treason. Bestiality can never make any progress; it cannot therefore be injurious to society in any great degree, which is the true measure of criminality in foro civili, and will ever be properly and severely punished, by universal derision. It may, therefore, be omitted. It was anciently punished with death, as it has been latterly. Ll. Aelfrid. 31. and 25. H. 8. c. 6. see Beccaria. Paragraph 31. Montesq.

Peterson, Merrill D. "Crimes and Punishments" Thomas Jefferson: Writings Public Papers (Literary Classics of the United States, Inc. 1984) pp. 355, 356.

The penalties for violating sodomy laws in the USA:

Idaho, 5 years to life

Oklahoma, 20 years

Michigan, 15 years

Mississippi, 10 years

Puerto Rico, 8 - 20 years

Louisiana, 5 years/$2000

South Carolina, 5 years/$500

North Carolina, 3 years

Virginia, 1-5 years

Alabama, 1 year/$2000

Missouri, 1 year/$1000

Kansas, 6 months/$1000

Utah, 6 months/$299

Florida, 60 days/$500

Texas, $500

14 posted on 12/19/2002 3:01:09 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy
The fact is, they're not running their newspaper for your enjoyment. It's an on-going enterprise operating in a free market. They can hire anybody they choose and you can choose to spend your money on it or on another newspaper. Your choice to buy is just like the channel selector on your TV. If you don't like what they do, don't support them with your purchase.

It might be just as simple to buy the newspaper and choose not to read the column you don't like. I don't agree totally with anybody I have yet met and certainly not with any newspaper.

Of course if you ask my wife and kids they'll tell you that I am a bit hard to get along with now and then

15 posted on 12/19/2002 3:04:55 PM PST by muir_redwoods
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To: VMI70
Wow - rejoicing in the chronic or potentially fatal illness of a fellow human being. That's very Christian of you.

/sarcasm

16 posted on 12/19/2002 3:05:12 PM PST by laurav
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To: Remedy
Your laws, like your hatred, are obvious, but when and where have these laws been enforced?
17 posted on 12/19/2002 3:06:09 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: RAT Patrol
If the Washington Times were not a conservative publication then I would feel they SHOULD carry someone with Sullivan's liberal social views. It's only right to have balance.

The Washington Times is not aiming to be a conservative publication. They're aiming to be a mainstream newspaper that's balanced, unlike the competition. So they have columnists like Nat Hentoff and Andrew Sullivan. Makes it more interesting to read than reading 15 conservative columnists saying the exact same thing.

18 posted on 12/19/2002 3:07:57 PM PST by laurav
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To: Remedy
Sorry, my friend. The ADL's purpose is to advocate a point of view. Of course they would not hire someone whose viewpoints are directly opposed to theirs. However, a newspaper is a whole other world. The purpose of editorial pages and columnists is to provide an interchange of views and ideas. If everybody is singing out of the same hymnal, it all gets pretty anemic after a while. Sullivan is an excellent writer, as you concede, and his ideas are often provocative and always witty. I think I can deal with the gay stuff or anything else I may not happen to agree with. I don't need or want censors to preserve my alleged virtue.
19 posted on 12/19/2002 3:10:53 PM PST by blau993
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To: shrinkermd

Your laws, like your hatred, are obvious

Violence and Homosexuality The top six U.S. male serial killers were all gay.

20 posted on 12/19/2002 3:10:58 PM PST by Remedy
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