Fed Health Chief: I'll Skip Smallpox Vaccine

NY Post ^ | 12/16/02 | AP

[2sheep]

WASHINGTON - Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson said yesterday he does not plan to be inoculated with the smallpox vaccine and recommends that other Cabinet members not request the inoculation either.

"I do not believe it is necessary or should be taking place," he said.

[Hunble]

Why did CDC and ACIP change the polio vaccination schedule to an all-IPV series?

The CDC and ACIP changed the polio schedule in 2000 because the only indigenously acquired polio in the U.S. since 1980 had been due to the vaccine, while there had been no polio cases due to the wild poliovirus. The ACIP determined that the risk-benefit ratio associated with the exclusive use of the OPV for routine immunization had changed because of the rapid progress in global polio eradication efforts. In particular, the benefits of OPV had diminished in importance due to the elimination of wild virus associated poliomyelitis in the Western Hemisphere since 1991 and the reduced threat of poliovirus importation into the U.S.

Conversely, the risk of vaccine-associated poliomyelitis due to OPV, which caused an average of 8-9 reported cases of paralytic polio each year, was judged less acceptable due to the absence of indigenous disease and reduced risk of imported infection.

Consequently, in 1996 the ACIP and CDC recommended a transition policy to increase use of IPV and decrease use of OPV, and in 2000 recommended exclusive use of IPV.

[FormerLurker]

You do realize that you are challenging every accepted medical theory of immunization and recommending that people risk their lives?

It isn't a new idea. Doctors back in the 1800's vigorously disputed the value of vaccinations. It was more of a political decision to promote the idea that vaccinations were worthwhile. Today's doctors simply believe that the information they are given is valid without question, even though the original source of the information is dubious, as those historical details are rarely if ever mentioned.

People die by the thousands around the world from the Flu virus.

The thimerosal in it doesn't help things any..

However, this may be the difference between life and death in the event of an actual outbreak of smallpox in America. So, be darn sure of your facts before you encourage people to not be vaccinated.

I present factual evidence and historical facts as I find them. I am not trying to provide either medical or legal advice, I'm simply providing facts so that people can make informed decisions..

As I am finding that the evidence significantly differs from widely held beliefs regarding the subject of vaccinations, I have to ask myself why is it that none of this has been mentioned by any news media up to now. I can only think that a significant effort to conceal and igtnore this information has occurred over the years, and that those responsible did NOT have the public's best interest in mind...

Is it simply magical thinking? Why is it that those investigating smallpox never bothered themselves with the facts concerning the history of the vaccine and that of its inventor, Edward Jenner?

Do your sources have any bias for their own special "extra-medical" cures?

It is apparently difficult to find many details concerning the detailed history of the smallpox vaccine on any mainstream medical websites, so it is mostly "alternative medicine" sites that have any information on this. However, not ALL of those sites are such, and some are simply dedicated to shedding light on the issue.

For instance, we have author Ian Sinclair's website;

Vaccination Debate.

There is whale.to, that HAS been recommended by doctors for its educational value on vaccinations;

Disclaimer and Notes

Vaccines

Hosted on that site is a report prepared by Raymond Obomsawin, PhD, for the Canadian government in relation to the legitimacy, safety and effectiveness of the current international effort to administer artificial immunization to the children of the world..

UNIVERSAL IMMUNIZATION Medical Miracle or Masterful Mirage

[Hunble]

Once again, you and I do share the common goal of saving lives.

Question: If, by some form of magic, I was able to post every single article written by the medical profession on the subject of vaccination since the 1770's, would anyone honestly read it?

Would this website be able to handle that volume of information?

Yes, I am feeling very frustrated. How can I compress 200 years of research, literally millions of research words, into some "talking points" to refute someone's view of modern medicine?

Please do not get a vaccination. My family will not be harmed by your choice in any way, because we will be protected. How you treat your own body must be your own personal choice.

[VRWC_minion]

Vaccines on the other hand had their birth in quackery and deception. That hasn't changed..

So, the entire medical profession and the lawyers that sue them are in on this conspiracy because ______________?

[BruceS]

Except for baldness, I can't report any bad effects.

So that's what happened to my hair - who can I sue?

[VRWC_minion]

Most medicines are perfectly fine and are formulated and tested utilizing REAL science

Do you yourself take anti-biotics ?

[VRWC_minion]

Yes, I am feeling very frustrated. How can I compress 200 years of research, literally millions of research words, into some "talking points" to refute someone's view of modern medicine?

THe science sounds fairly simple and straight forward. FACT: My body can become immune to certain diseases if its exposed to them.

Hypthosis: If my body can become immune to disease is it possible to expose my body to a dose that creates an immune response without killing me.

Test: if I were succesfull in getting my body to launch an immune response there should be evidence of antibodies of it in my body.

This isn't hocus pocus where the only proof is some nebulous graphs, stats or ancedotal information. A lab geek can take a sample of blood and see for himself of the body has antibodies.

This crap has to have its roots in chritian science. It fits the play bill of other crap they spout about ritalin and prozac.

[Hunble]

Thanks, at least someone realized what I was talking about.

[FormerLurker]

You missed my point about gravity. Why would someone write a doctoral thesis explaining the reality of gravity?

As it is still unknown WHAT gravity is exactly, a study focusing on that would be extremely interesting.

As far as discussing the REALITY of gravity, it IS discussed in elementary school, high school, and college. It's effects can be calculated and observed.

Not so with vaccines, as we are taught to BELIEVE that they work on faith alone, as very few people actually have the means to PROVE they work. Difficult theories to prove ARE given rigerous scrutiny in the physical sciences, experiments are conducted, data collected, and analysis performed. I have not seen ONE valid study on the effectiveness on vaccines however.

For an experiment to be considered valid, it has to be reproducable. It also has to consider a statistically significant number of data elements. I have seen none of this in relation to vaccines...

[Hunble]

Vaccinations are a very well documented and reproducible validation of modern medical knowledge.

I look forward to our future debates, but tonight, I will back down out of respect.

Can you show us the same amount of verified and well documented alternatives to immunization?

[FormerLurker]

I think the baby died about one year ago.

I thought they had stopped giving the oral polio vaccine once they saw that it was causing more polio than it prevented.

Vaccine-Associated Paralytic Poliomyelitis

However, it seems that due to financial concerns, it is still is use today..

Should Polio Vaccinations End? Experts Still Debating

[FormerLurker]

Question: If, by some form of magic, I was able to post every single article written by the medical profession on the subject of vaccination since the 1770's, would anyone honestly read it?

Post some links to some of the best studies that represent your position and we'll discuss them..

[2sheep]

The Bible indicates that these days will be marked by Deception and that most would be deceived.  Today many act as though they cannot be deceived.  Please check out the excellent posts by FormerLurker.  Each person should do his own research and decide for himself.  Check out globalism and its intents regarding "population control".  Include in your search: United Nations, Agenda 21, abortion, eugenics, and assisted suicide.  Also look for yet another False Prophet known by his stinking fruit:  The Rev. Thomas Robert Mathus (1766-1834), child of the devil and suck-up to the New World Order:   Google Search: "population control" "Thomas Malthus"

Globalists are Satanists masquerading as normal people.  They want to kill people in large numbers per Agenda 21.  The "media" is their lying member to deceive the seducible-sheeple into running to embrace their own death.

See Avoiding-Sulla's post here ~~ *27 ~~  THE AXIS OF ENVIRONMENTAL EVIL

"The agenda of these Malthusian misanthropic megalomaniacs could not be more clear." ....AV

Before adopting any ideas such as "It couldn't happen [to me] [here] etc.," ask a Jew.  They are the canaries in the mine on subject of "Final Solution."  Any government forcing people to have a shot could put anything in that shot.

"In his well known report WHO MURDERED AFRICA, Dr. William Campbell Douglass, M.D., wrote that HIV was finally produced (genetically engineered) in 1974, after having been PREDICTED and REQUESTED! He tells us that the AIDS virus by the W.H.O. (World Health Organization), was not just a diabolical scientific exercise that got out of hand. It was a cold-blooded successful attempt to create a killer virus which was then used in a successful experiment in Africa. African AIDS was the result of the smallpox eradication vaccine program conducted by the World Health Organization during the 1970s. It was not an accident. It was deliberate! It is more than hypothetical hyperbole to conclude that our government has conducted biowarfare on Black Africa. It is fact."

From this site, for further background.

22  posted on 11/16/01 2:54 PM Pacific by Le-Roy

Here are a few links on the subject:

 Sustainable development explained: Joan Veon explains evolution of U.N. global control push
 'Overpopulation' Turns Out to Be Overhyped
 Beyond Birth Control: Dr. Stanley K. Monteith ~The Population Control Agenda
 The Georgia Guidestones: New Age Reason, or Age Old Treason?
 UN MANUAL PROMOTES ABORTION, STERILIZATION ON REFUGEE POPULATIONS
 Tetrahedron: U.N._World_Food_and_Population.html
 POPULATION CONTROL, THE FINAL SOLUTION (1 of 3)
 POPULATION CONTROL, THE FINAL SOLUTION (2 of 3)  ~ See post #8 by Romulus re Julian Simon
 POPULATION CONTROL, THE FINAL SOLUTION (3 of 3)
 Global Governance: Excessive Population
 Peter Singer and Eugenics
 The Re-education of America
 Population Control and Eugenics: the Dark Underworld of Modernity
 Are you being targeted for Euthanasia?

[dljordan]

Just to be contrary, how do we know he's taking the same vaccine? I was listening to the radio and a fireman from Northern Arkansas called in and told about a FEMA meeting they had to go to where the FEMA guys were telling them that they would have to assist in distributing the vaccine in case of emergency. He said that the FEMA guy was upset over the fact that 80% of the doctors they had contacted refused to help. What's going on here? I don't think we're being told the whole truth.

[FormerLurker]

So, the entire medical profession and the lawyers that sue them are in on this conspiracy because ______________?

It'd be easy to answer "of money", but I wouldn't agree that the lawyers and doctors are in it TOGETHER. It appears that each side has their own profit in mind, but with the medical profession it's more a matter of reliance on old beliefs that are VERY difficult to call into question for several reasons. Let me list a few..

1. Vaccines provide the population with a measure of confidence that they won't get sick and die from a life threatening disease, even if the vaccine has no positive physiological effect.
2. To contradict the idea that vaccines provide immunity to disease would leave the medical profession exposed to litigation for malpractice, and would call into question its ethical character and the scientific validity of various medications and treatments.
3. It would expose the profession as being fallible, whereas it is currently regarded as infallible.

[FormerLurker]

This crap has to have its roots in chritian science. It fits the play bill of other crap they spout about ritalin and prozac.

Isn't it funny that thimerosal, the preservative used in childhood vaccines for decades, might very well be responsible for depression and ADD? It is VERY interesting that the same company that invented thimerosal also peddles Ritalin and Prozac. Incidently, did you know that all school shootings as of late were perpetrated by those under the influence of a antidepressant and/or Ritalin?

[RightWhale]

What's going on here?

It's impossible to know what is going on, if anything, based on a few anecdotes.

[FormerLurker]

Test: if I were succesfull in getting my body to launch an immune response there should be evidence of antibodies of it in my body.

Just because there are antibodies present doesn't indicate that you are immune. Take AIDS for instance. The presence of HIV antibodies indicates you've been exposed to the virus, but it DOESN'T indicate that you are immune...

[crystalk]

But, why would our government, or that of the UN, have any reason to impose AIDS on black Africa?

These are their babies, their darlings!

Jesus said, If Satan is divided against himself, then his kingdom cannot stand.

If the Left and the UN are killing off their OWN, how long can they last? If it were Christian whites, or Israelis, who were being killed, then I could see it...those are the Enemies of the US govt and UN. But why are they killing their own?

Isn't it more likely that AIDS just cropped up by accident?

[hope]

Is Isaiah 18 About the United States?

Hope all is well with you!