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Smallpox Comitatus
self ^ | 12/18/02 | Self

Posted on 12/17/2002 11:13:33 PM PST by Joe 6-pack

Title 18 USC., Part I, Chap. 67 Sec. 1385. - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus

"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

Circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution....

Article I.

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to...

...provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

...define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

... declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

... make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

... make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

Section 9.

...The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.

Article II

Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States..."

So much has been made in recent days about how badly the Constitution will be scarred by the use of U.S. Military on U.S. soil in the event of terrorist acts following up to the September 11, 2001 attacks. Many of these issues are raised by so-called libertarians who profess to be Constitutional purists, who lose sight of the fact that at the time of the drafting of our Constitution, and for some period thereafter, the VAST MAJORITY of U.S. military activity took place on U.S. soil. Moreover, many of these same persons heretofore railed against the projection of U.S. military force abroad, cautioning against, "foreign entanglements."

The facts of the matter are thus...

We have been attacked...in a manner more viscious than Pearl Harbor, the incursions of Pancho Villa, the sinking of the Lusiitania, or any other assault against our nation suffered during the 20th Century.

Efforts to continue attacks against our nation continue.

Liberal immigration policies have permitted the enemy to grow within.

Posse Comitatus is NOT an integral part of the Constitution; rather a proscription against the use of the Federal military in a law enforcement capacity against U.S. Civilians, UNDER MOST CIRCUMSTANCES. Exceptions have been written into the law, and, believe it or not, U.S. Military frequently supports U.S. Law enforcement in the following capacities...

1. Virtually not a day goes by where U.S. Army bomb detector K9s support the U.S. Secret Service, State deprtment, or DoD who request K9 sweeps in anticipation of dignitary visits.

2. U.S. Army / AF EOD personnel support local law enforcement who encounter unexploded U.S. or foreign, "souvenier," munitions or other IEDs which exceed the technical capacity of local EOD personnel.

When the enemy is within, are we to believe that the Department of Defense no longer has a role because the opponent is on U.S. soil? This is perhaps one the most absurd notions that political commentators of any stripe have ever proffered. Most curiously, the concept is most fiercely advocated by those who've tried to minimize the DoD's role abroad, suggesting that forward projection is not a matter of defense. We are a nation at war, and the warfighting component of the government should be given the lead.

Persons arguing aginst the DoD's role in the current conflict on Constitutional grounds need to realize that the DoD, formerly, the War Department, is Constitutionally organized and has a Constitutional role...on U.S. soil and beyond.

While I don't pretend to know more than anyone else on the subject, I can confidently assert that I know more than most. I served as an active duty military police officer in the U.S. Army for ten years. In my last two years, I served on a Defense Coordinating Element (DCE) responsible for organizing DoD support for FEMA ops in the event of natural or man-made disasters. I resigned effectively, in December 2000, prior to 9/11. Up to that time, to my awareness, FEMA officials, and military supervisors were painfully cognizant of the implications of Posse Comitatus and virtually all contingency planning was conducted with such considerations...even in cases where, in my opinion, justifications for exceptions were valid.

I've been deployed to quite a few of the world's finest sh!t-holes and have been inoculated against everything from Bubonic Plague, to Japanese Encephilitas to Yellow Fever. I've never developed any symptoms greater than an itchy arm. My immunization record is far longer and more replete than my resume will ever be, and I've yet to suffer ill-effects. Should a small-pox vaccine come available tomorrow, I'd accept it, not because it was mandated, but simply, because I really don't want to contract small-pox!


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To: dighton
"the CIA controls my brainwaves."

Not YOU too!
21 posted on 12/22/2002 10:41:38 AM PST by tet68
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To: general_re
have the good grace to shut up and die quietly

lol...I keep reminding people that there were many good reasons for developing the vaccines in the first place. Sadly, too many people refuse to consider the historical significance of disease.

22 posted on 12/22/2002 10:44:53 AM PST by Aracelis
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To: tet68; Sabertooth
Watch out for the flouride.....
23 posted on 12/22/2002 10:46:31 AM PST by woofie
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To: Sabertooth
There are, at this very minute, more people living on planet Earth in unhygenic and unsanitary conditions, than at any other time in human History.

Do you have any evidence of that, or is that just your heartfelt opinion? Are you saying that in the 21st century, we know less about hygene and sanitation than we did 100 years ago?

There are more today than yesterday, and there will be more tomorrow. There were more unsanitary and unhygenic people in 1970 than 1950, 1900, 1800, 1700, 1500, 1000, 500, 100 BC, 1000 BC or 1400 BC.

And the Earth is flat, right?

Why have there been no naturally occuring smallpox cases in the last 24 years anywhere in the First, Second, or Third Worlds?

Because they stopped the barbaric practice of innoculation centuries ago, and the vaccinations ended decades ago...

It was the innoculations and vaccinations that gave rise to MOST cases of smallpox..

24 posted on 12/22/2002 10:48:38 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: woofie
Watch out for the flouride.....

Not a problem, all my lamps are incandesicant.
25 posted on 12/22/2002 10:51:49 AM PST by tet68
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To: general_re
There isn't enough time in the day to deal with the woodwork-crawlers.

Did you know that insecticide causes cockroaches?

;-)

26 posted on 12/22/2002 10:52:22 AM PST by dighton
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To: Piltdown_Woman
Sadly, too many people refuse to consider the historical significance of disease.

Sadly, too many people ignore the historical evidence linking VACCINES TO DISEASE...

 

HISTORICAL FACTS EXPOSING THE DANGERS AND INEFFECTIVENESS OF VACCINES

- In 1871-2, England, with 98% of the population aged between 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, it experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. (The Hadwen Documents)

- In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940 and by 1945 diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don't Get Stuck, Hannah Allen)

- In the USA in 1960, two virologists discovered that both polio vaccines were contaminated with the SV 40 virus which causes cancer in animals as well as changes in human cell tissue cultures. Millions of children had been injected with these vaccines. (Med Jnl of Australia 17/3/1973 p555)

- In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free by the World Health Organisation after 96% of its population was vaccinated. In 1972, Ghana experienced one of its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever mortality rate. (Dr H Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland, March 1990)

- In the UK between 1970 and 1990, over 200,000 cases of whooping cough occurred in fully vaccinated children. (Community Disease Surveillance Centre, UK)

- In the 1970's a tuberculosis vaccine trial in India involving 260,000 people revealed that more cases of TB occurred in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. (The Lancet 12/1/80 p73)

- In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 "Abstracts" )

- In 1978, a survey of 30 States in the US revealed that more than half of the children who contracted measles had been adequately vaccinated. (The People's Doctor, Dr R Mendelsohn)

- In 1979, Sweden abandoned the whooping cough vaccine due to its ineffectiveness. Out of 5,140 cases in 1978, it was found that 84% had been vaccinated three times! (BMJ 283:696-697, 1981)

-The February 1981 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of pediatricians refused to take the rubella vaccine.

- In the USA, the cost of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987. The manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8 per shot to cover legal costs and damages they were paying out to parents of brain damaged children and children who died after vaccination. (The Vine, Issue 7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld)

- In Oman between 1988 and 1989, a polio outbreak occurred amongst thousands of fully vaccinated children. The region with the highest attack rate had the highest vaccine coverage. The region with the lowest attack rate had the lowest vaccine coverage. (The Lancet, 21/9/91)

- In 1990, a UK survey involving 598 doctors revealed that over 50% of them refused to have the Hepatitis B vaccine despite belonging to the high risk group urged to be vaccinated. (British Med Jnl, 27/1/1990)

- In 1990, the Journal of the American Medical Association had an article on measles which stated " Although more than 95% of school-aged children in the US are vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated children." (JAMA, 21/11/90)

- In the USA, from July 1990 to November 1993, the US Food and Drug Administration counted a total of 54,072 adverse reactions following vaccination. The FDA admitted that this number represented only 10% of the real total, because most doctors were refusing to report vaccine injuries. In other words, adverse reactions for this period exceeded half a million! (National Vaccine Information Centre, March 2, 1994)

- In the New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated.

- On November 2nd, 2000, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) announced that its members voted at their 57th annual meeting in St Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. The resolution passed without a single "no" vote. (Report by Michael Devitt)

 

27 posted on 12/22/2002 10:52:46 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: Joe 6-pack
No expert, either, I have heard and read a couple interesting comments lately. Authorities have found that those who received the smallpox vaccine decades ago may not still be well-protected, but should react less to a new injection. And it has also been found that 10% of that dose I got in the 50's is sufficient. That's enough for me to get in line for a new inoculation. After all, the vaccine helped wipe out all smallpox on Earth.
28 posted on 12/22/2002 10:57:49 AM PST by Lady Jag
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To: woofie
Watch out for the flouride.....

You mean as in this?

The Donora Fluoride Fog: A Secret History of America ’s Worst Air Pollution Disaster

29 posted on 12/22/2002 10:59:02 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: woofie
Watch out for the flouride.....

Or as in this?

How We Got Fluoridated

30 posted on 12/22/2002 11:00:34 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
And the Earth is flat, right?

A total and cowardly non sequiter. Why did smallpox vanish at the same time that far more people were living in unsanitary condidtions than in the past?

Face the consequences of your argument.

Because they stopped the barbaric practice of innoculation centuries ago, and the vaccinations ended decades ago...

Naturally occuring smallpox ended before vaccines stopped being routine. By your logic, with more vaccines and more people living in unsanitary conditions in the Third World, we should have seen increases in smallpox in the 1960s and 1970s, instead of the actual decrease observed.

It was the innoculations and vaccinations that gave rise to MOST cases of smallpox..

Smallpox was around for 3,000 years before the first inoculation.

Lie again.




31 posted on 12/22/2002 11:09:13 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Former Lurker, you may choose to forego immunization, but your survival will be dependent on the herd immunity provided by those who exhibit moderate levels of common sense.

Survival of the population depends on people waking up and smelling the BS that people like you spew.

In short: you will be a parasite.

It it those that ARE vaccinated that will be the true parasites, as they are the ones that will contract and succumb to smallpox, spreading the disease wherever they go...

Here's a little something on Quackwatch..

What is Quackery? What is fraud? . . . and who decides?

American Council On Science And Health

What is Quackery? What is fraud? Part II

It becomes painfully apparent that "Quackwatch" is a paid lobbying team of chemical/drug/pharacutical industry quacks, that could care less about human heath and well-being, and care only about profit and gain for themselves and their backers..

32 posted on 12/22/2002 11:10:29 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: Piltdown_Woman; dighton
Of all the vaccines to skip, smallpox is a bad one. I'm tempted to post some photos of smallpox patients to point out what we're really dealing with...
33 posted on 12/22/2002 11:12:05 AM PST by general_re
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To: woofie
Watch out for the flouride.....

I use fluoride toothpaste, but I oppose fluoridated tapwater. No one should be putting additives in the water "for my own good." Kill the germs, filter out toxins and particulate, and get it to my house.

If someone wants fluoridated water, they can add it themselves at their house or buy it in a bottle.




34 posted on 12/22/2002 11:12:43 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: general_re
I'm tempted to post some photos of smallpox patients to point out what we're really dealing with...

Descriptions in histories, all too frequent, don't begin to do it justice. Smallpox is really, REALLY horrible.

35 posted on 12/22/2002 11:15:17 AM PST by dighton
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To: Sabertooth
A total and cowardly non sequiter. Why did smallpox vanish at the same time that far more people were living in unsanitary condidtions than in the past?

You are either very confused or purposely deceptive with your assertion that people are living in less sanitary conditions than they did hundreds or thousands of years ago. Did you attend a public school?

Naturally occuring smallpox ended before vaccines stopped being routine.

So you admit that cases of smallpox since the 1800's are CAUSED by the vaccine?

By your logic, with more vaccines and more people living in unsanitary conditions in the Third World, we should have seen increases in smallpox in the 1960s and 1970s, instead of the actual decrease observed.

Read the material that I posted, as the facts disagree with your contention.

Smallpox was around for 3,000 years before the first inoculation.
Lie again.

So we're going to start throwing words like "lie" around? Ok, it is YOU that is lying...

From

"Dhanwantari, the Vedic Father of Medicine, and the earliest known Hindu physician, who lived about 1,500 B.C., is supposed to have been the first to practice inoculation for smallpox. It is even stated that the ancient Hindus employed a vaccine, which they prepared by the transmission of the smallpox virus through a cow." (History of Inoculation and Vaccination, pp. 6, 13)

36 posted on 12/22/2002 11:18:05 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker; Admin Moderator
It it those that ARE vaccinated that will be the true parasites, as they are the ones that will contract and succumb to smallpox, spreading the disease wherever they go...

You are a reckless spreader of llies.

Smallpox vanished in the Industrialized world simultaneously with mass vaccinations. More than 150 million living Americans have been vaccinated, yet there have been no new smallpox epidemics in America, and not a single case since 1950. So you lie and claim eradication was due to better hygiene.

Yet, when confronted by the undeniable fact that there are more Third World people living in unsanitary conditions and bad hygiene now than ever before, many of whom have been vaccinated, you dodge the question. You have to, because your crackpot lies can't explain the disappearance of smallpox in the Third World in the last 24 years.

There are plenty of slimy little internet holes into which you can crawl, go find one.




37 posted on 12/22/2002 11:20:08 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: dighton
Apparently not too horrible for some...
38 posted on 12/22/2002 11:23:26 AM PST by general_re
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To: FormerLurker
Read the material that I posted, as the facts disagree with your contention.

Answer the question directly, quack. You keep posting that smallpox is caused by inoculations, vaccines, and unsanitary conditions.

Why, with a massive World Health Organization vaccination campaign in the unsanitary Third World in the 50s, 60s and 70s, has smallpox disappeared?

By you're tinfoil reasoning, we should have witnessed the greatest smallpox epidemics of all time. The opposite has occurred.




39 posted on 12/22/2002 11:30:37 AM PST by Sabertooth
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