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Black Democrat could fill Lott's seat .
sunherald ^ | 12/17/2002 | BEN BRYANT

Posted on 12/17/2002 8:16:30 AM PST by KQQL

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To: Illbay
So now you're suggesting that Jeffords' defection was LOTT'S FAULT?

Jeffords was just the last to fall from a larger senate majority. The man is a political disaster waiting to happen.

121 posted on 12/17/2002 10:09:28 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: Illbay
I think the hatred of Lott, which IMO stems solely from the Clinton debacle

For me anyways it stems from him being an idiot. He handles everything in a way to do maximum damage to the party. So far he has not disappointed on this current issue he created and if he stays I'm certain he will continue to find new and creative ways to screw the GOP.

122 posted on 12/17/2002 10:11:18 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
It's about the current holiday. From the interview:

LOTT: I'm not sure we in America, certainly not white America and the people in the South, fully understood who this man was; the impact he was having on the fabric of this country.

GORDON: But you certainly understood it by the time that vote came up, Senator.

LOTT: Well, but...

GORDON: You knew who Dr. King was at that point.

LOTT: I did, but I've learned a lot more since then. I want to make this point very clearly. I have a high appreciation for him being a man of peace, a man that was for nonviolence, a man that did change this country. I've made a mistake. And I would vote now for a Martin Luther King holiday.

123 posted on 12/17/2002 10:12:06 AM PST by CedarDave
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To: borkrules
By "long history of spineless leadership" what you REALLY mean is "he didn't get Clinton when the was there for the getting."

Of course, that rather ignores the political realities of the time, but we're good at that around here.

I am not a fan of Lott, but I know that he will work with Pres. Bush to get his nominees confirmed and his legislation passed. That's important, because the last thing we need now at this critical time in our nation's history is two more years of Daschle-inspired gridlock.

With Lott out of the picture, we're going to end up with someone else just like him, when it comes to "leadership," because that's the way it is in the Senate, where it takes at least sixty assured votes on your side to dominate.

Daschle thought he could be the "Daschole" because he fervently believed Bush was a one-term "accidental President," and that not even his masterful handling of 9/11 could alter that.

Daschle was wrong. But he will do whatever he can to oppose Bush, and with Lott injured, and probably out of the Senate now, it's not going to take much more to get him right back in his seat.

To me, the damage is already done. His own Senate colleagues have turned against him, and the loser mentality of the Senate Republicans lives on.

No thanks to rank-and-file FReepers.

124 posted on 12/17/2002 10:12:07 AM PST by Illbay
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To: KQQL
To all those who want Lott to go --are you really so much better than he to prosecute, judge and sentence him for a thought crime?
125 posted on 12/17/2002 10:12:07 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: VRWC_minion
Pardon me, but most of the other Senate Republicans fell in the ELECTION of 2000, remember?
126 posted on 12/17/2002 10:13:18 AM PST by Illbay
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To: shrinkermd
To all those who want Lott to go --are you really so much better than he to prosecute, judge and sentence him for a thought crime?

Even Bill Mahr has better sense than Lott and Mahr is an idiot.

Can you drop the racist strawman crap ?

The reason most of us want him gone is because of the damage he will continue to do. Its like inviting a bull into a china shop. You folks believe that if we just protect the bull this time he won't break anymore china.

127 posted on 12/17/2002 10:16:18 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: Illbay
Pardon me, but most of the other Senate Republicans fell in the ELECTION of 2000, remember

And who led the senate to that disaster ? Even the rats jetisoned their house leader for less.

128 posted on 12/17/2002 10:17:58 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: KQQL
The odd thing is that Lott never made a racist comment.
129 posted on 12/17/2002 10:22:53 AM PST by dmeara
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To: KQQL
"Senate Republican Leader Trent Lott's insensitive remarks have triggered a chain of events that could put a black Democrat in his Senate seat."

Good work Lott. Now you've got the Dems RIGHT where they want us.

130 posted on 12/17/2002 10:25:08 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: TLBSHOW
And if we remove him the whole republican party is going to be labeled racist. It is a no win story as I said at the start unless we stood up for Lott from day one.

From all I've read here, it seems that the real question is why Senator Lott was in a position of leadership. Now, I don't feel comfortable at all about Republicans not defending him at this juncture...it's a freedom of speech and freedom of thought issue. Senator Lott did not say specifically anything like he supports segregation. He is "guilty" of heaping lavish praise on a 100 year old man at his birthday celebration.

If GWB and other conservatives wanted a different leader, they should've been honest about it, rather than use a situation. It's like family. You defend your own when a wrong has been done. What Senator Lott said doesn't deserve the response he got.

What's going to happen if the Democrats hold GWB to the fire every time he misspeaks?

131 posted on 12/17/2002 10:25:32 AM PST by grania
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To: TLBSHOW
"the republicans were gutless and the party is going to lose big time for it I am afraid."

Lott is the gutless one.

132 posted on 12/17/2002 10:28:52 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Illbay
By "long history of spineless leadership" what you REALLY mean is "he didn't get Clinton when the was there for the getting."

Actually, that's just a part of it. The other examples of Lott-ish stupidity would include the "power share" deal he brokered with his good buddy in the Senate Club, Tom Daschle. Lott's poor leadership is not limited to Impeachment.

But even there, you misapprehend the nature of my objection. If by "political reality" you mean that there was no way to obtain a conviction, I might agree. But Lott did more than recognize the obvious (no democrat would vote to convict). No, he went further. He actively sabotaged the ability of the courageous House Impeachment managers and colluded with an effort to stage a show trial. Despicable.

Now, he threatens his party and president to retain his place in a position of power. He effectively attempts to blackmail them. "Remove me from the Majority Leader office and I'll quit." And he's already demonstrating, as veteran Lott-haters have been arguing for some time, that he's fully willing and able to throw Bush's conservative agenda (watered down as it is already) out the window to rehabilitate himself.

Lott isn't a victim of republican cowardice. He's the very living, breathing epitome of it.

And don't you ever presume to tell me what I "really think" again, boy.

133 posted on 12/17/2002 10:29:25 AM PST by borkrules
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To: Petronski
Help my memory, this is the Mike Espy who was involved, but 'cleared,' in the Tyson bribery thing?

That's the guy. The Dept of Ag chief who accepted gifts from Tyson Foods (including Super Bowl tix), but 'didn't let it effect his judgment.'

This is the best news Lott could have gotten. Knowing this guy is waiting in the wings should the GOP shove him out improves his hand immeasurably.

134 posted on 12/17/2002 10:32:26 AM PST by L.N. Smithee
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To: Always Right
"What Lott did was nothing compared to Hillary calling one of Clinton's aid a f***ing Jew Bastard. This is being so misplayed by Republicans. This is a witch hunt"

Agreed, it IS a witch hunt. Unfortunately, by Lott's own appeasement attempts, HE is the one FIGHTING AGAINST THOSE WHO TRY TO SAVE HIM IN ORDER TO THROW HIMSELF ON THE BURNING STAKE.

You and TLB may stop using that flipping 'we' crap when referring to appeasers. It's not true, and WE are tired of it.

135 posted on 12/17/2002 10:32:52 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: KQQL
I was coming home from shopping when I hear Rush tell this; I damned near had a fenderbender.

One thing for sure, he could count on all the chicken farms he wants in MS, with Espy's Tyson connection.

What the hell to do now????? If the right thing had been done, he couldn't hold office, and felons can't even vote. Time to prosecute the Clintons and all their guilty friends.

136 posted on 12/17/2002 10:35:05 AM PST by katze
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To: Wordsmith
"I guess you missed where Trent on BET last night labeled the whole Republican Party racist."

It was the entire South that he labeled 'racist' wasn't it? Right after saying the government in his area is 'corrupt'? I might have that screwed up...I was runniing in and out, trying to catch Lott and keep up with the live thread too.

137 posted on 12/17/2002 10:37:05 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: jps098
It won't be a waste if the SD investigation turns up Thune as winner.
138 posted on 12/17/2002 10:38:05 AM PST by katze
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To: Wordsmith
"Not saying it didn't happen, but there's a big difference between being accused of saying something and being on camera stating it publically."

Multiple witnesses on her staff say she said it...among other things...more than once.

139 posted on 12/17/2002 10:39:38 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: kinghorse
I think Jeffords and McCain currently share that "title," but you're right. Lott could wind up the most hated if he leaves the senate early over this. I have been one who has strongly advocated here on FR against what was happening to Lott on free speech grounds. But after his appearance on BET last night, in which he digustingly groveled before the alter of political correctness, I do not want him to stay on as majority leader.
140 posted on 12/17/2002 10:41:47 AM PST by Wolfstar
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