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Trent Lott: A Distortion Wrapped in a Conspiracy Inside an Agenda
My own thoughts... | 12/13/2002 | DoughtyOne

Posted on 12/13/2002 8:21:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne

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To: DoughtyOne

Thank you for your voice of sanity. I have thought from the beginning this was a lot of fuss about nothing.

I agree with your assessment that what Lott said was not what the left has made it out to be.
42 posted on 12/13/2002 9:50:18 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: DoughtyOne
Not an American, but I would like to weigh in with a homily or two. Firstly, this is an indication of the incredible power of political correctness,

Just think for a second or two. What has this man actually said?. (Trent Lott). Now consider the furor that this has aroused.

What we are dealing with here, is the most potent weapon that the liberals and their slimy hangers on, are able to use.

This is the real battle. If those who are fair, but hard hitting, decent Americans fail to identify what this is really all about- it is game over.

It is an exercise in absolute politically correct driven power.

Lastly, I would deliver a message for the Reverends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. A French quotation, not only for you, but your ilk.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

A rough translation is: Evil be to who whom, evil thinks.

44 posted on 12/13/2002 9:52:17 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: nanny
Nanny, the democrats are racist, because, as you point out, they don't want racial harmony. Democrats are race baiters, seeking to paint as extreme, as racist, the vagaries of a segregationist heart. Many black people you will encounter in daily life are also segregationists, but not racists. That isn't the case with Republicans in general, they are neither racist nor segregationists, they do want harmony because it would mean far more votes from conservative black voters.

I do believe Lott is a segregationist. I believe he blurted out that which is supported by his heart and lurks just below the level of consciousness. And you are so right, this absurd division of our nation is not only locally destructive, it is putting the nation at risk due to the chaos potential and the distraction from business at hand, defending and defeating an enemy that wants to destroy us.

45 posted on 12/13/2002 9:53:25 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: No Truce With Kings
They will always try something, but there has to be something in it to make it work. The Dems tried scaring seniors this year. Didn't work. Tried convincing people that Bush stole the election. Didn't work. Tried scaring blacks . . . . hmmmmm . . . that one did work a little bit in LA failed big time in MD because of the lt. gov and the plantation mentality of the MD gov and Dem's candidate).

With all due respects, it did work in MD. There was heavy black turnout despite KKT choosing a white running mate. Gore and Bill Clinton campaigned with KKT the Friday before the election and blacks came out in droves. Why did Ehrlich win? He got enough of the white vote, who are 75% of the voting electorate in the state.

The Dems have their own dawgs with racist backgrounds -- the Senior Senator from KKK, er WV. The man that raised the Confederate flag over SC. Even Zell Miller. So the only way they can successfully race-bait using Lott is if lot is in LEADERSHIP. If not, the Reps, simply say -- yeah you're right. Get ridda all the racists. And it could be successfully turned against them, especially against Miller, and the soon-to-be senior Senator from SC.

That is *IF* Lott is a back-bencher. If Lott is in leadership, they say, "yeah, our guys have faults, but we don't let them run our party." David Duke ran for governor of Louisiana in 1991. The National Republicans disavowed his candidacy, yet the Democrats still continue to use him to slam us. Pat Buchanan has been run out of the party, yet the lefties will continue to demonize us with him. Jessie Helms was a "back-bencher." Did it stop the Democrats from demonizing us with him? All three didn't run the Republican Party, but the Democrats used them anyway.

[snip] If Lott were brilliant -- or even loyal to conservatives -- I might feel differently. But he isn't. So why should I give loyalty to someone who has never given loyalty in his turn?

Yes, Lott has his problems. However, he should be criticized by his own party and not by Democrats and the leftie media. And even though Lott is not everybody's favorite conservative, I trust him more than Zell Miller, who should be a Republican, but is a traitor the conservative cause by remaining with the AlQaidacrats.

46 posted on 12/13/2002 9:56:06 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: DoughtyOne
The Lott Problem & A Solution

The Lott Gaffe & DemoKKKratic Hypocrisy

The Lott Gaffe & A Whole Lot Liberal Media Bias
47 posted on 12/13/2002 10:04:17 PM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Redbob
"How about making Robert Byrd's "white nigger" remarks into 'the next James Byrd ad'?
Think that'll happen?

In your lifetime, that is?"

I think I addressed that in Post 33.

While Byrd is probably not vunerable (I say probably, because Jack Brooks got beat by an incredibly bad Republican candidate in a House seat that was viewed as secure as Byrd's Senate seat), both Hollings and Miller could be taken out by the issue -- if the Dems choose to push it. I cannot think of any Republicans (other than Lott) who are similarly vunerable. The ones that could have been are retired or retiring.

The only effective way for the Dems to make this a wedge issue is if Lott is in leadership. Then they can say "Yeah, we've got some folks with racist pasts, but at least we don't put them in leadership." Certainly true with Byrd, who stepped down from a leadership position. Yeah, it was for WV pork (wonder how different that tastes from MS pork or VT milk), but they can pretend like it was for noble purposes.
48 posted on 12/13/2002 10:04:33 PM PST by No Truce With Kings
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To: American For Life
Is it not amazing the awesome mind grip the press has on public opinion?

Yes it is and it scares the hell out of me!

This could not be any worse. It indicates to me, at least, that the republican party has a broad coalition of house cats that cannot and will not participate in any kind of a team effort.

It reminds me of what has happened to many teams in pro-football. Here you have all these highly paid individuals who cannot play as a team for more than one season. After that they start squabbling over salary, position or what have you, and then break their contracts. All this behavior is accepted, and eventually leads to the total breakup of the team. All the while these folks go around and exclaim how it was someone else that did it! Not Me!

This entire debacle is not trent Lott's fault. It is the fault of his teammates who have up to now been silent in their support.

The marxists have won another one and this one took a hell of a lot less time than Ken Star or Robert Bork. The Rats are getting better at stealing the cheese underneath the republican house cats very nose.

Reminds me of Tom & Jerry!

49 posted on 12/13/2002 10:04:47 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: LdSentinal
"Yes, Lott has his problems. However, he should be criticized by his own party and not by Democrats and the leftie media."

The criticisms and calls to step down first came from conservatives. The press and Dems are playing a me-too game. So, if the Dems and press join with conservatives, we have to ignore the conservative voices because it would be giving the Democrats and leftie media what they want.

I used to wonder why people called the Republicans the "Stupid Party."
50 posted on 12/13/2002 10:12:00 PM PST by No Truce With Kings
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To: American For Life
Thank you! Much appreciated!

For Lott to step down now would only vindicate their false-trumped up charges and further embolden them.

It's very disheartening the fact that some vindictive Repubs are so shallow as to pounce on a fellow Repub when a convenient scandal happens to arise, even when they know the whole issue is politically motivated and there's not an ounce of truth to it.
51 posted on 12/13/2002 10:13:38 PM PST by Turbodog
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To: DoughtyOne
Sheesh, Doughty -- you've freaked me out. I could have written this myself! What you have written here is the EXACT SAME RANT I have been delivering to anyone who would listen over the past few days.

Yes, I would prefer a more assertive conservative leader to lead the Republicans in the Senate. But how dare the socialists think they can throw Lott overboard based on a blatant lie. There was never any mention of anything relating to racism or segregation in that clip the media are playing ad nauseum. But once again, the Dems create a firestorm based on a false premise and do everything they can to destroy the life and political future of their victim.

It also cheeses me off that even Conservatives have fallen for this charade. Why is it that the liberals can stick together and FEIGN outrage based on a lie for their party, but we can't even stick together to be TRULY outraged by these sort of destruction campaigns by these liberal propagandists? Even LOTT isn't showing the proper amount of outrage at being lied about.

So I plan to stick with Lott on this. Now I just hope that LOTT sticks with Lott on it.

52 posted on 12/13/2002 10:20:49 PM PST by NH Liberty
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To: No Truce With Kings
I hope that Freepes will read your posts here. You have made the case for him to go. I hate the Dems but Lott has not performed well as a conservative leader. His press conference today was pathetic. He is a liability to his party. I want the pubbies to get a stronger conservative to push an agenda further right. Lott can't & will not do this. Basically said to Trent, "your time is up".
53 posted on 12/13/2002 10:22:33 PM PST by Digger
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To: No Truce With Kings
The criticisms and calls to step down first came from conservatives. The press and Dems are playing a me-too game. So, if the Dems and press join with conservatives, we have to ignore the conservative voices because it would be giving the Democrats and leftie media what they want.

A couple of right-of-center bloggers is representative of the entire Republican community regarding this matter? And the reason he would be stepping down would be due to political correct nonsense. Two sentences ending a career? If he did that, he would be a greater wimp that I ever thought he would.

54 posted on 12/13/2002 10:31:24 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: DoughtyOne
Well written post.

However, while we keep dwelling on what a vague remark meant, about something that happened 54 years ago, Al-Qaeda is dwelling right now on
how to best kill us with their newly acquired VX nerve agent?

I imagine they are dwelling on how to induce mass hysteria, such as wiping a little of the oily VX on the long handrail leading down to the DC subway.

One or two people would touch it and quickly fall down the length of the stairs to the bottom of the tunnel; their body(s) a violent contorting mass. Others would come to their aid, and likely get a tiny bit of VX on them as well. They too would drop and soon expire in grotesque epilectic shakes.

When enough people realize what is happening, the rush of commuters out of the tunnel would become a human stampede reminescent of a 3rd-world soccer stadium. In the process, even more people would touch the VX, and fall to their quivering deaths beneath the stampeding hoards.

Now convinced that the subway system is contaminated with VX, commuters would refuse to go near it for a year or more. Some people would stay away forever. A multi-billion-dollar transportation system would languish unused. Massive traffic jams and gridlock would replace all the underground commuters. Some would talk of leaving big cities for good.

This whole scenario would be repeated in multiple locations, and maybe multiple cities. The 'perps' would leave deliberate clues either hinting they are right-wing-extremists, (causing a media feeding-frenzy), or else left-wing-extremists, (causing an information-blackout). In either case it will divert us from looking for the real terrorists.
...
... No, no, wait, maybe we should just spend all our days discecting what kind of evil Trent Lott 'MIGHT HAVE MEANT' in his vague birthday tribute to a elderly collegue.
/sarcasm>

55 posted on 12/13/2002 10:38:22 PM PST by Future Useless Eater
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To: Turbodog
even when they know the whole issue is politically motivated and there's not an ounce of truth to it.

The trouble is, from what I have read on this forum, and the exchanges that I have had on this forum regarding this subject, they don't have a clue as to the truth of these asserions.

They really believe them to be a true as the bogus objective media says they are.

56 posted on 12/13/2002 10:41:18 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: DoughtyOne
I'm tired of this crap about Lott. Too many people are twisting his words around and making him out to be a racist white boy.

Bullsh-t. Everybody knows what he was referring to with Thurmond's 1948 campaign, and it wasn't segregation. While I realize that he has to at least soothe some people, if I were him I wouldn't have even apologized for my remarks. I would have explained them instead. If that isn't good enough, then I wouldn't want your vote anyway.

Lott should remain Senate Majority Leader!
57 posted on 12/13/2002 10:47:42 PM PST by panther33
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To: DoughtyOne; Miss Marple; Howlin; rintense; swheats; Common Tator; nicollo; Mr. Mulliner; ...
Well said, D1! Thanks for this!

Has anyone but me thought about this? ..... not one word that Lott said smacked of racism or being in favor of segregation. I have to wonder about the strength and depth of racism in anyone who would take his comments and see that in them.

I think that the racists are the ones who saw his words as being racist because the concept simply isn't there in what he said.

You have truly hit the nail on the head when you speak of "a distortion wrapped in an conspiracy inside an agenda." That is exactly what has happened here ..... and far too many people have fallen for it.

58 posted on 12/13/2002 10:48:23 PM PST by kayak
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To: kayak; DoughtyOne; EternalVigilance; Poohbah; Travis McGee
Knowing what Strom and other Dixiecrats were standing for in 1948 leads one to unsettling conclusions concerning what lurks below the surface in Trent Lott. I believe he's a segregationist at heart, much the way so many black people are also segregationists. A citizen may hold such a view, but the Senate Leader shouldn't, or at least shouldn't be prone to allow it to surface for attacks from racist opponents ... and this assault with malice aforethought by the despotic democrats amounts to race baiting, which is far more racist than anything Lott said.
59 posted on 12/13/2002 10:55:34 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Professional
PROFESSIONAL RESPONDED TO TOMMYDALE WITH: "So, according to you, Lott is a racist, because somebody SAYS he is. What if this was YOU, say, at work? Would you want to be treated in the standard that you purport for Senator Lott?"

It is NOT REALLY a question of whether Lott is racist or not...He probably isn't anymore. It's that he is INCOMPETENT!!! And the STUPID remarks he made are yet ANOTHER EXAMPLE of his INCOMPETENCE.

60 posted on 12/13/2002 11:01:04 PM PST by Concerned
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