Posted on 12/12/2002 6:53:12 PM PST by Remedy
To even suggest that "Democracy," per se, is the alternative for much of humanity, is to go equally as far into the delusional as are those in the throes of a compulsion to collectivize--and in reality to dehumanize--humanity. (See Democracy In The Third World--Socially Destructive Egalitarian Myth.)
A plague on the very idea that one form of society works for everyone! It doesn't. It never has. It never will. Humanity is not an undifferentiated species. Those who desire uniformity need to live with that, or we will continue to see unfortunate peoples massacred in pursuit of delusion.
William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site
Exactly, LogicWings. This is a "con game" that is attracting "the suckers" big time these days. Invert the "American idea," and you get this "transnational view" of things. The only way this sort of thing can be brought about politically presupposes the death of America and all things American. One really does wonder when folks are going to "wake up and smell the coffee"....
There is no way there can be rights "in the abstract." Groups do not possess rights, only individuals do. UNLESS -- you separate the idea of "rights" from the idea of "responsibilities." Then you really can work the magic; there are always people who are attracted to the idea of a "free lunch." We might say such people are hopelessly irrational; but there they are.
But that is the point of this thing, communism isn't dead. It is alive and well as multiculturalism and this 'transnationalism. Islam is just another form of the same thing, a collectivist ethic disguised as religion. Which is why liberals don't oppose Islam, they just figure they will be able to commandeer it when the time comes, but the control structures will all be in place.
I hold that we are already in WWIII. It actually began when the same people that struck on Sept.11th, the very same fanatics, killed Anwar Sadat because he made peace with Israel. THAT is the event we missed that told us what was coming. It has been an ever building crescendo since then. Islam is at war with the rest of the world. Look at Bali, look at that Miss World contest massacre. Michael Savage says (and I don't know how true this is) that of 22 wars currently in progress around the world, 20 are Islam against whomever. India, Sri Lanka, Phillipines, I can think of event after event. All the way back to the Lockerbee (sp?) Scotland plane that came down. All Islamic actions. We still don't really see the magnitude of the problem. And it isn't going to be solved by John Poindexter looking at my credit card purchases! Dang, I'm all depressed now! bye
Classical liberals and Neo-Cons ultimately share the same goal of the Tranzis: They differ in having a desire to preserve some of the external trappings of the civilization but still support the idea that transcendent things such as morals, culture, faith, and family can be radically altered or done away with altogether. The destruction these people have already wrought upon Western societies in general, and the US in particular, is immense.
I think this also explains the extreme animus directed at Chritianity, and to a slightly lesser degree, Orthodox Judaism. In light of their tacit alliance with the Islamists, the Tranzis must not see Islam as a very serious threat to their goals. The USA, of course, is the crown jewel. If they can subvert America, they will have basically won the game - any holdouts left elsewhere can be picked off at will.
Great insight, LogicWings. However, Western "liberals" (we're really talking German-style "progressives" here, IMHO) may find in the end that they grievously overestimated their own powers to control what they have avidly abetted for decades by now.
Life is full of "little surprises" like this....
Great insight, PH. The transnational progressive understands that if he wants to "change the reality," it is extraordinarily helpful to first "change the language." The "universe of discourse" must be reshaped to fit his purposes. This has been an amazingly successful tactic. In particular, the Clintons and certain notable senators excel at this. But we see it everywhere today. Just check out the rhetoric of organizations such as NAACP, MALDEF, LULAC, NOW, NARAL, Nation of Islam, et al. It's an epidemic!
There are people who want our dogs to be called "companion animals" rather than "pets." If I ever run into them, I'll refer to my dogs as my "property" and watch them fume.
LOL, PH!!! I love it! Just do it!!!
Seriously, it seems "progressives" have been quite successful in separating language from fact. Rhetoric trumps reality -- unless we can expose the hidden agendas and outright fallacies that lie at the very heart of all "progressive" rhetoric.
You probably won't be able to persuade these people. But at least you're not giving them "a free pass." And you'll feel better, watching them fume....
I applaud your efforts, but I seriously doubt that rational debate will accomplish your goal. I think you're going to have to try something a bit more imaginative.
I think this could be an enormously valuable project, madfly. A forum dedicated to "deconstructing" the rhetoric of transnational progressivism (to reveal the hidden agendas and outright fallacies that lurk at the heart of all such rhetoric) strikes me as being a project well worth undertaking.
Well, I can only do what I can do, independentmind.
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