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Dec 12th Report from UN Tribunal - Milosevic vs. Humna Rights Watch ^ | Dec 12, 2002 | Vera Martinovic

Posted on 12/12/2002 4:11:02 PM PST by vooch

Thursday December 12, 2002 at 2:03 am

Jeri Laber, the woman of the human rights, was this obnoxious combination of ignorance and arrogance which could be noticed in all these NGO warriors. One of our columnists coined a suitable name for them: anti-war profiteers (as opposed to simple, more honest, merely money-oriented war profiteers). This lot is downright dirty-handed and dirty-minded.

By penning their worthless 'reports', full of cheap politicking, ridiculous mistakes and vague generalizations, pretending they're defending the human rights of some abused people (without even deigning to put the facts right), they play into the hands of the governments who ordered these reports and at the same time they are not at all squeamish to accept the money. Our own type of such anti-war profiteers has one more layer to it: they are commissioned to quench even the last trace of any national feeling and pride within the tortured Serbian people. The three wicked witches of Belgrade are Biljana Kovacevic-Vuco (Yugoslav Committee of Human Rights Lawyers), Natasa Kandic (Humanitarian Law Centre) and Sonja Biserko (Serbian Helsinki Committee for Human Rights). They drafted (if not completely authored) the large chunks of the ICTY indictments, with a little help from Mesic.

They created the refrigerator truck news and dully disseminated/manipulated each anti-Serb slander there is. The last one named, Biserko, is among those 14 witnesses that the Prosecution had renounced in order to extend Babic. Good riddance! I'm physically unable to listen to the dribble of either one of them for more than 10 minutes at the time.

If you want to know more, to 'follow the money trail' and to see how the agenda, the ideology and the sources of funding are the same for the Human Rights Watch, the Institute for War & Peace Reporting, the International Crisis Group… and to follow the trail of the 'Human Rights Crowd' in the Balkans, read 3 highly informative articles by Gilles d'Aymery ( …/ga110.html …/ga111.html).

Well, if we were rid of Biserko by a lucky escape, we couldn't evade her more prominent Helsinki-Committee sister, Jeri Laber.

This one looks a bit more sophisticated than her Balkans counterparts, but her arrogance is that much greater. It was her downfall: she revealed her utter ignorance about the region and events in question and she didn't care one bit, concluding that she is 'here just to bring these 2 reports' (?!).

And these reports, one re human rights abuse in Kosovo and the other in Croatia, are so vague and generalized ('a certain small village', 'many people are believed to be executed'), full of material mistakes and plain stupidities ('KLA didn't exist then and I have been impressed how peaceful the Army of the Albanians was'), and above all highly politicised in each of its premises and conclusions ('the situation equal to apartheid and racism', 'HW appeals for the sanctions to be introduced against the Serbian Government').

In addition to anonymous informants, alleged victims of abuse, the bulk of material for the reports has been provided by talking to our 3 humanitarian Amazons and Mesic ('intellectuals, newspapermen, members of the Presidency')! The total number of the interviews for each report is about 30, Amazons & Mesic included. Truly a large, representative sample.

Of course, the Greater Serbia slander was amply used; when Nice asked how that came about, Laber answered 'this was in general use, in the Western press in any case'(?!). Even judge Robinson wanted to know whence the claim of JNA acting without authorization came. Laber said: "I cannot say what is this information based upon; perhaps they [HW staff] spoke with some members of the Presidency and draw such a conclusion."

After concocting such a precise, unbiased report, Jeri & staff would try to hand-deliver it to the culprits (in this case, Milosevic and General Adzic); when refused reception by them and instead received by lower-level officials, and later on answered in writing by the Chief of Cabinet, they regarded this as the sign that 'Serbia assumes full responsibility for all crimes in its territory'. This, together with both 'reports', was trumpeted all over media and sent to 'relevant Governments'.

To demonstrate objectivity, Laber presented supposedly similar report, handed over to Tudjman (this time in person), to which he replied he will 'investigate it'. Good show! But, one can take just one look at this other report prepared for Tudjman to see the sly doubletalk: this is the 'report on the human rights abuse by the Serbian local authorities and by Croatian individuals'. The Croatian Police and the National Guard Units are 'individuals', while JNA and Serbian Government are accused in toto .

Of course, other than this initial show no further development happened, no sanctions against CRO were asked/imposed. Nevertheless, Nice was thrilled, asking a rhetorical question: "Was this the sign of your trying to be unbiased?", and he quoted few sentences stating 'sufferings of the Serbs in the WW2', when 'thousands were killed'.

Jumping to and fro between the 2 reports, Nice made Laber talk profusely about the situation in Kosovo back in 1981, irritating May so much (history!!!) that he snapped even at Nice: "Such a detailed revisiting of the Kosovo history is not helping us at all in this moment." Nice sheepishly said: "We have always claimed that this all mutually fits together; this is a woman who visited all these regions before the wars."

So, the woman who makes all this to fit together, summed up all this by repeating that 'yes, they've denied all our accusations, but that letter signifies also their acceptance of responsibility'. Obviously, it is mortally dangerous to exchange any mail with these rabid NGOs, because that way you automatically recognize their importance.

After such a disgusting performance, Milosevic jumped with both feet on Laber; May tried his best to rescue her by interrupting 'We shall decide the admissibility of hearsay evidence", "This is irrelevant", "This is for us to decide".

After May prevented questioning the anonymity of informants, possibility to contact them and offer them protection of the ICTY to testify, the principle of direct procedure in any other court that the HW should defend and the separation of the right for self-determination from the human rights corpus, Milosevic then switched to the 'reports' and shredded them to pieces. Opening one of them at random, he quoted one sentence, describing one alleged human rights abuse. Then he asked: "Which village was that and which event?" Laber didn't know.

Milosevic quoted next sentence, describing alleged perpetrators, wearing 'yellow camouflage uniforms', and asked Laber whether she knew that there were no such uniforms in any ex-YU region, that these are the uniforms used in desert regions. Laber 'couldn't say what was the matter there'. Milosevic expressed his astonishment at such imprecise text, in collision with the 'highest professional standards' that her organization boasts of. Laber stated she did 'believe in the competence of people who made the report; didn't come here to defend the report paragraph by paragraph, but to bring the report.'

Milosevic proceeded by quoting from the statement, describing Laber's meeting in Belgrade (after she had been denied meeting with Milosevic and General Adzic) with 3 lower-level Army officers and '2 Foreign Affairs Ministry officials, Dr Micunovic and a certain Kostunica'.

He innocently asked her whether she was aware that Micunovic, current Speaker of the Federal Assembly, and Kostunica, current President of FRY, 'people who illegally delivered me here after they seized the power', were at that time two MPs from an opposition party, and not members of any Government. Laber showed contempt to these facts (why should she worry about some Balkan politicians, who was in what body and when, or whether her reports are precise or not?), saying it only matters what those people told her. Milosevic pointed out that this proves she was unable to understand such simple facts, which further indicates the other things were misunderstood as well; he then explained to this pigheaded lady that what they told her about Kosovo was exactly the same position she heard earlier from 3 Army representatives, as reported; was it not enough reason for her to believe it, when bitter political opponents stated the same?

Laber finally admitted: "I understand now what you're saying."

Milosevic pressed on: "Was it not a logical mistake of yours, when you heard identical answer from those people as the answer you've got from the Army, to automatically lump them up in the Government?" For the first time, Laber let few moments to pass in silence. May panicked and jumped in: "No, no, this has nothing to do with this witness. You're now making your case here, and through this witness." Tapuskovic used the opportunity to further embarrass May, lingering at the unpleasant fact and getting back at him for all that snapping and barking; he stood up and supposedly 'clarified': "Your Honour, it has been a mistake, she thought that they were members of the Government, that they belong to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs."

May was sarcastic: "Yes, we know that. We shall not lose any more time." But Milosevic wouldn't let go: "Don't you think this is a rather cardinal mistake, which destroys a picture of your organization being exact and precise?" May prevented the answer: "Mrs Laber, if you don't want to answer, and it seems to me this is totally senseless…" She didn't answer, of course.

All the rest was further humiliation of the humanitarian madam, obviously very tough and cynical from handling Soros-type funding in exchange for opinion shaping. She answered in the shortest possible way, with staccato annunciation and acid remarks. Milosevic pointed out her falsely-objective and hypocritical remarks about the sufferings of the Serbs in the WW2 in CRO, when 'thousands were killed'; he sharply told her there were hundreds of thousands , and not thousands killed.

Laber said they 'want to avoid sensationalism and always use lower figures'. Talking about Holocaust denier!

Milosevic wanted to know was it not logical for the Serbs in CRO to remember those things after their constitutional status has been revoked. Laber was insolent: "I have not studied the Constitution; I believe your word at face value."

Milosevic: "You and your colleagues were supposed to read it, dealing with it in your reports. Your organization and yourself didn't know what was going on there."

Laber: "We have to draw the line somewhere, we don't want to go into the past."

Milosevic: "This was not the past, this was the present condition and the change happening at that moment."

To get an idea of the expert staff going to fact-finding missions, in addition to Laber herself, a Columbia-graduated expert in sovietology (?!) (when her staff was still petit, she was engaged personally; now they're 200 and she just jets around the world, being wined and dined, and occasionally testifies) there were two other gentlemen and a girl called Ivana Nizic, personally recruited by Laber right after she finished Columbia.

Laber gave her a training in research techniques (one week? three weeks?) and off she goes! This is her 'competent, experienced staff, trained not to ask suggestive questions, familiar with the countries in question'. Naturally, Miss Nizic acquired necessary experience along the way and became the investigator - guess where? Yes, ICTY!

Pure political premises and conclusions of the 'reports' were too much for Tapuskovic to bear, so he stood up at the very beginning, trying to point out that on a similar occasion, when one of the Court's investigators testified about Kosovo, all his conclusions were left out from his report and only 'facts' remained. But, it was useless, May admitted everything, mistakes, stupidities, slander, Western media as a source.

The 'reports' stated "Serb occupation of the parts of Croatian territory". When Milosevic quoted the US General Charles Boyd as saying that 'contrary to the popular media position, the Serbs lived there for centuries",

Laber shortly said: "I'm not competent for that."

Milosevic quipped: Contradictio in adjecto. She's not competent, full stop.

Laber just brought her reports, she was a courier and you don't argue the contents of the mail with a courier.

Vera Martinovic

TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: balkans; campaignfinance; clinton; warcrimes
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1 posted on 12/12/2002 4:11:03 PM PST by vooch
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To: Hoplite; *balkans; Tamodaleko; joan

another HumWarrior bites the dust...........

2 posted on 12/12/2002 4:13:38 PM PST by vooch
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To: vooch
3 posted on 12/12/2002 4:26:05 PM PST by F-117A
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To: Hoplite
4 posted on 12/12/2002 6:00:23 PM PST by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: DestroyEraseImprove
Vera Martinovic appears to qualify as one of Milosevic's useful idiots - what's my motivation for caring what she thinks?
5 posted on 12/12/2002 8:42:45 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
There you go again insulting other people. Now, who's the idiot here!?
6 posted on 12/12/2002 11:52:23 PM PST by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: DestroyEraseImprove; F-117A; kosta50
Hoplite's post...seems to be a pattern of the HumWarriors, when they can't attack the message (in this case thus Tribunal Report), they simply attack the messanger.

Prosecution Witness after witness crumbles even under the amatuerish cross-examination of Milosevic. What will it look like once the defense gets its turn at bat ?

The Tribunal hearings on Milosevic was supposed to be the crowning achievement of these HumWarriors. After 12 years of dogged race baiting and hate mongering, the HumWarriors were going to use the Milosevic hearings as a orgy of self-congratulation.

Instead the hearings have exposed the HumWarriors lies, misinformnation, and half-truths which were fed to the American people by willing liberal media & Clinton hacks.

HumWarriors now hope that the Tribunal will quietly dissappear. Note the complete media blackout on the Milosevic hearings. Note the absence of HumWarriors in any discussion on the ICTY.

HumWarriors realize that the daily goings on at the ICTY are deeply damagaing to their cause and are doing their best to distance themsleves from it.

7 posted on 12/13/2002 3:25:37 AM PST by vooch
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To: vooch
Hoplite appears to qualify as one of the Hum Warrior's useful idiots - what's my motivation for caring what she thinks?
8 posted on 12/13/2002 4:13:58 AM PST by F-117A
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To: F-117A
< /sarcasm>
9 posted on 12/13/2002 4:14:38 AM PST by F-117A
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To: F-117A
I think Hoplite's arse is glowing a rather bright shade red at this particular moment. Where there is smoke, there is fire...
10 posted on 12/13/2002 7:06:45 AM PST by FireWall
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To: DestroyEraseImprove
Now, who's the idiot here!?

This ignorant moron and anybody who pays any attention to her Serb nationalist lying and denying "Cognito ergo id est"* drivel.

Garbage in results in garbage out, DEI, and Vera Martinovic writes garbage.

I hope I've answered your question.

Now here's one for you - did Serb forces truck some of their K-Albanian victims out of Kosovo in freezer trucks?

Think carefully - your answer will determine whether you're an idiot or not.

* I think therefore it is.

11 posted on 12/13/2002 8:57:35 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: vooch
Thank you for posting VM's observations and thank you for the ping. I find her comments very interesting and in line of what I hear over the net (, whenever the chance occurs in the early mornings.
12 posted on 12/13/2002 12:26:55 PM PST by Tamodaleko
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To: Hoplite
Now here's one for you - did Serb forces truck some of their K-Albanian victims out of Kosovo in freezer trucks?
13 posted on 12/13/2002 2:37:16 PM PST by Balto_Boy
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To: Balto_Boy

Al Quaeda exploited Milosevic's mess, it didn't make it.

14 posted on 12/13/2002 3:16:17 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Al Quaeda exploited Milosevic's mess, it didn't make it.
15 posted on 12/13/2002 3:22:24 PM PST by Balto_Boy
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To: Balto_Boy
Say something coherent.

It would help.

16 posted on 12/13/2002 5:36:24 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
What part do you find incoherent?
17 posted on 12/14/2002 7:37:44 AM PST by Balto_Boy
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To: Balto_Boy
The part where I was asking DestroyEraseImprove about the freezer trucks and you linked something irrelevant to your post.

What you are attempting to di is akin to addressing OJ's innocence or guilt not through his crimes, but by instead talking about the historical injustices committed against his race.

What's next a call for repartations? Who's gonna be the Serbian Sharpton?

Skip it - I picked the freezer truck because it's a done deal, and only an idiot would deny it.

So either deny it or explain how it fits in with your views of Serbian victimhood at the world's hands, Balto_boy

18 posted on 12/14/2002 1:37:57 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
I don't deny that atrocities were committed by both sides and I remember the truck, although I don't recall if the bodies or how they died were identified. But the relevance of my post was that both sides had their bad guys, and it wasn't the bad guys on Milo's side that gave us the Cole bombing, 911, Bali, and many others AFTER we rescued their friends in Kosovo.
19 posted on 12/15/2002 5:10:13 AM PST by Balto_Boy
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To: Balto_Boy
Since Milosevic's trial is about Milosevic's crimes, your method lacks merit - 'everybody was doing it' is no excuse, especially when Milosevic was the man behind the lion's share of war crimes in the neighborhood.
20 posted on 12/15/2002 2:01:03 PM PST by Hoplite
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