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Why Lott should resign as majority leader (vanity)
12/10/02 | me

Posted on 12/10/2002 5:35:47 PM PST by xlib

Today on Rush a black air traffic controller was expressing his outrage over Trent Lott’s comments at the birthday party. Rush made several comments, including the point that while racism surely persists, it’s much less common than it once was, that everybody has obstacles, some hurdles are greater than others etc. The caller was surprised to discover that RUSH LIMBAUGH IS NOT A RACIST!

This is the dilemma conservatives face: although many, if not most, conservative policy ideas would benefit the poor and minorities if implemented, conservatives are widely assumed to be indifferent or hostile to the poor and minorities.

There are some parallels between our dilemma and that of African Americans. During segregation, the trailblazers were exceptional people; Jackie Robinson was one of the best ever to play the game, the first black students at the University of Alabama were all honor students. But millions of ignorant rednecks just saw “dumb, uppity niggers.” These folks endured the abuse, and persevered, because they were conscious of something larger than themselves that they represented.

We too are subject to the false assumptions of ignorant people; these assumptions are often amplified in popular culture and the media, and it limits what we can accomplish. We have two choices: we can whine about liberal media bias, the double standard for liberals and conservatives caught in ethical lapses, etc etc, or we can heed the advice given to Condi Rice by her parents: you’re going to have to work twice as hard, and hold yourself to a higher standard, than those who oppose you.

I was never prouder to be a republican during the impeachment than when Bob Livingston announced his resignation on the house floor. He had the guts to choose a higher standard, and the grace to accept his fate for falling short of it. The fact that Bill Clinton can debase the oval office and then try to portray a 21-year-old intern as a stalker, or that Jesse Jackson can yap about “Hymietown,” or that Robert Byrd can ramble on about “white niggers,” and survive politically, doesn’t surprise me. They are democrats, and the ethical bar is set low. But republicans must choose a higher standard, and Trent Lott’s comments make him unsuitable for the job he seeks to reclaim.


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To: Jhoffa_
If you set a precedent saying in effect that we will allow the opposition to label our guy's, judge them and hand us a verdict to impose on them ourselves then we will be replaying this scene with Lott over and over till the end of time.

The answer is to apologize, explain and be nice.

Then just smile at them while they whine like a bunch of little girls.

61 posted on 12/10/2002 7:01:10 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Demidog
Lott did nothing wrong. And calling for his resignation in this case shows a gross cowardice that plagues our nation. Policitical correctness has turned men into little sniveling cowards who cannot bear to be called one of the terrible names that the communists lable them with. "Anti-Semite", "racist" and "intolerant" is what is considered a political argument nowadays.

I knew that someday we would agree on something. Today is that day.

62 posted on 12/10/2002 7:01:21 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: ontos-on
When Thurmond became a Republican, he also became one of the first southern senators to hire black aides and to work overtly for his black constituents.

And he wouldn't have done this had he become President why?

63 posted on 12/10/2002 7:03:53 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
"You are reading into his words that which is not necessarily there."

I disagree. You have to know what the 1948 dixiecrats were about to understand that saying if strom won in 1948 we wouldn't have all the problems we have had, to realize that my interpretation of what h Lott's statement actually means. See my posts above.

"On the other hand, there is a colorable argument to be made that the 1964 civil rights legislation did in fact harm this country."

I actually agree with you. But the issues are different. Forced public accomodations is an invasion of the association right. It would have been better merely to remove the jim crow laws --which the dixiecrats were upholding and that is the public policy that a present day politiican cannot claim to be proud of his state's prior support in 1948. Hopefully, that would eventually enough to result in a colorblind society.

"If Lott had some balls (which he doesn't and this is what makes him a horrible leader) he might just stand up for the beliefs you claim he holds. "

The distinction between 1948 governmentally required segration as embodied in jim crow laws supported by strom's dixiecrat platform AND the opposing the 1964 forced governmental association, was made in the above paragraphs. On a purely political level, however, the nature of the present climate does not allow a politician to make that distcinction and announce that he opposes forced association and this does mean he is for forced segragation. LOTT DOES NOT UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS AND JUST TAKES A CROWBAR TO THE ELECTION VICTORY BY ROUSING THE DEMOCRATS' FALSE CLAIM THAT REPUBLICANS ARE RACIST.

64 posted on 12/10/2002 7:04:38 PM PST by ontos-on
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Durge Siren: Lott said it before! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/804416/posts
65 posted on 12/10/2002 7:05:34 PM PST by Keith in Iowa
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To: jwalsh07
Today is that day.

LOL. Perhaps you just want to say "this minute is that minute." I will most assuredly say something on this very thread that will be disagreeable to you. :)

66 posted on 12/10/2002 7:05:40 PM PST by Demidog
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To: ontos-on
Aaaaaah! So that's how you operate. I don't read anyone saying that "segregation couldn't have been the principal issue of the Dixiecrat campaign..."

I came the closest to saying it - when I say it couldn't have been the ONLY plank of their platform. Are you trying to quote me???? If you do that, you'd better get it right, Jack! I said what I said, assuming you were a reasonable, honorable person...so far you are proving me wrong.

Put words in Lott's mouth, put words in my mouth...for all I know now, you're putting words in the Dixicrat platform!

Your own words point out the frail twig of your argument...Trent Lott was a kid when Thurmond ran for president (1948). The only Thurmond Trent Lott ever knew was the one you admire. Trent Lott was praising Thurmond not the Dixiecrats.
67 posted on 12/10/2002 7:05:43 PM PST by GilesB
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To: xlib
I couldn't agree more. PLEASE DUMP LOTT!!!
68 posted on 12/10/2002 7:06:26 PM PST by killermosquito
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To: xlib; rdb3; mhking; aculeus; general_re
... the advice given to Condi Rice by her parents: you’re going to have to work twice as hard, and hold yourself to a higher standard, than those who oppose you.

If I recall correctly, Gordon Parks got the same sound parental advice.

69 posted on 12/10/2002 7:06:52 PM PST by dighton
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To: the_doc
Absolutely! DUMP LOTT NOW!!!
70 posted on 12/10/2002 7:08:13 PM PST by killermosquito
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To: xlib
Having been Majority Leader once before, and having anticipated being Majority Leader again, do you really think Trent Lott would want to be just a regular old Senator again? I'm not sure he would, especially after something so humiliating as having his own party removing him from a leadership position.

If Lott is removed as Majority Leader, he may well resign his Senate seat altogether (and perhaps run for Governor of MS in 2003?), thereby allowing Democratic Governor Ronnie Musgrove to appoint his successor.

I'm not stating this scenario as a reason not to remove him as Majority Leader, by the way. It wouldn't bother me in the least if he were replaced (and not just because of this incident). But we should all understand the possible consequences of that action.

71 posted on 12/10/2002 7:08:50 PM PST by BlackRazor
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To: John Lenin
"We" refers to principled conservatives who are willing to tackle the challenge of persuading the minority vote.
72 posted on 12/10/2002 7:09:28 PM PST by Hobsonphile
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To: ontos-on
I was right! You DID put words in the Dixiecrat platform. There was a LOT more to their platform than segregation - you choose to sound-bite their position, which is not only wrong, it is dishonest. You lose.

also called STATES' RIGHTS DEMOCRAT, member of a right-wing Democratic splinter group in the 1948 U.S. presidential election organized by Southerners who objected to the civil rights program of the Democratic Party. It met at Birmingham, Ala., and on July 17, 1948, nominated Gov. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina for president and Gov. Fielding L. Wright of Mississippi for vice president. The Dixiecrats, who opposed federal regulations they considered to interfere with states' rights, carried South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama, to receive 39 electoral votes; their popular vote totalled over 1,000,000.

In 1948, a group of conservative white southerners formed the States' Rights Democratic Party, soon nicknamed the "Dixiecrats," and chose Strom Thurmond as their presidential candidate. Thrown on the defensive by federal civil rights initiatives and unprecedented grassroots political activity by African Americans, the Dixiecrats aimed to reclaim conservatives' former preeminent position within the national Democratic Party and upset President Harry Truman's bid for reelection. The Dixiecrats lost the battle in 1948, but, as Kari Frederickson reveals, the political repercussions of their revolt were significant.


Frederickson situates the Dixiecrat movement within the tumultuous social and economic milieu of the 1930s and 1940s South, tracing the struggles between conservative and liberal Democrats over the future direction of the region. Enriching her sweeping political narrative with detailed coverage of local activity in Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina--the flashpoints of the Dixiecrat campaign--she shows that, even without upsetting Truman in 1948, the Dixiecrats forever altered politics in the South. By severing the traditional southern allegiance to the national Democratic Party in presidential elections, the Dixiecrats helped forge the way for the rise of the Republican Party in the region.

73 posted on 12/10/2002 7:10:47 PM PST by GilesB
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To: Keith in Iowa
Oh F___

This is going to be all we will hear for a week now!

"Trent Lott REALLY is a racist.. We have two quotes to prove it! He doesn't say it outright, but you know he's thinking it don't you? Don't you? DON'T YOU! Of course he is! He's evil. He's not stupid, he's evil! He's an evil, evil man! Just like the other Conservatives!"

Just great..

74 posted on 12/10/2002 7:10:48 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Demidog
LOL with ya!
75 posted on 12/10/2002 7:11:24 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Hobsonphile
Yea, afterall we got all of 9% of the black vote in 2000. You are right, we need to change our strategy.
76 posted on 12/10/2002 7:12:22 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: xlib
Good post.

Lott has to know what the Dixiecrat Party was all about. Suppose the words "just slipped out." I am still at a loss to account for the frame of mind that would just randomly pick the 1948 presidential run out of the air when casting about for something nice to say about Strom. Even to recall Strom peeing out the door of the Senate Chamber into a bucket in the cloakroom during his big filibuster would have been better.

Then his apology makes it worse by referring to segregation as "the discarded policies of the past" rather than forthrightly saying that segregation was wrong. What he said could mean no more than "It would have been nice to be able to keep Jim Crow, but I know we can't go back now." Besides which he apologizes in weaselly modern fashion for "offending" people, not for saying something that was objectively wrong to say.

Lott is an adult, of sorts, and he said what he said. I am not much interested in what he meant. I am a little tired of people in our society saying stupid, harmful things and then bleating defensively about what they "really meant." The words he spoke have a meaning, and it is a reprehensible meaning. Lott said them, and then he shilly-shallied around for days, and finally he issued an ambiguous non-apology.

Furthermore, this is not the first time the d**n fool has said stuff like this. At this point, I don't care whether he has a secret nostalgia for Jim Crow that he can't keep to himself, or whether he is just completely irresponsible in his use of language. A man who can't control his tongue has no more business in a position of political responsibility than a man who can't control himself in any other way.

Dump him.

77 posted on 12/10/2002 7:12:34 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: smevin
Hey, this is making me tired. Lott praised the unreformed Dixiecrat presidential candidate of 1948, not the Republican senator Thurmond became. There were two different Thurmonds. Lott chose the 1948 one [the jim crow goverment enforced segragtion of the races-- NO COLORED ALLOWED HERE IN PUBLIC PLACES--STROM THURMOND. He said that 1948 Strom should have been president and was the direction the country should have gone. That is the logic. I am sorry that it boggles your mind.
78 posted on 12/10/2002 7:13:15 PM PST by ontos-on
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To: xlib
Any Senator unqualified to be Leader by reason of a moral question does not deserve to be a Senator.

So think over your "Moral Outrage" as to what happened; what was really said that is worth a man's career. The "Masada Wing" of the GOP is trying to use this issue to get even with Lott but could lose the Senate.

79 posted on 12/10/2002 7:14:12 PM PST by Mike Darancette
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To: Jhoffa_
Just great..

Ain't it? It's exactly why Lott and his entire merry band of eunuchs who've made Republican Leadership an oxymoron need to be removed. The sooner the better.

80 posted on 12/10/2002 7:15:57 PM PST by Keith in Iowa
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