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UNNATURAL LAW (Supremes to review sodomy laws) liberal barf-and offensive content alert
NEW YORKER ^ | 12/16/02 issue | Hendrik Hertzberg

Posted on 12/10/2002 11:21:41 AM PST by Liz

Like whist, whilst, and self-abuse, the word sodomy has an old-fashioned ring to it. You don't even see it alluded to much anymore, except in punning tabloid headlines about the situation in Iraq. But it—or its kissin' cousin, the nearly as archaic-sounding "deviate sexual intercourse"—can be found in the criminal codes of thirteen states of the Union, where it is punishable by penalties ranging from a parking-ticket-size fine to (theoretically) ten years in prison.

Even at this late date, many people are vague about just exactly what sodomy is. Montesquieu defined it as "the crime against nature," which is not especially helpful. Blackstone called it "the infamous crime against nature, committed either with man or beast," which gets us a little further, but not much. Back in the U.S.A., the statute books tend to be franker. Some states bring animals into the picture, some don't. The Texas Legislature's definition is nonzoological.

SKIP THIS IF EXPLICIT LANGUAGE OFFENDS. According to Section 21.01 of the Texas Penal Code (readers of delicate sensibilities may at this point wish to skip down a few lines), " 'Deviate sexual intercourse' means: (A) any contact between any part of the genitals of one person and the mouth or anus of another person; or (B) the penetration of the genitals or the anus of another person with an object."

RESUME READING HERE What the Lone Star State does and does not view as some kinda deviated preversion became of national interest last week, when the United States Supreme Court agreed to consider Lawrence v. Texas. The Lawrence of the case is John G. Lawrence, fifty-nine years old, of Houston, who, on the evening of September 17, 1998, was in his apartment with a guest, Tyron Garner, who is thirty-five. Texas got involved when police, having been tipped off by a neighbor that a "weapons disturbance" was in progress, busted down the door. (The tip was a deliberate lie on the part of the neighbor, who was later convicted of filing a false report.)

What the officers found Lawrence and Garner doing is really none of our business, any more than it was any of Texas's; suffice it to say that it was consensual, nonviolent, and noise-free. The two men were arrested, jailed overnight, and eventually fined two hundred dollars each. They appealed, a three-judge panel of a district appeals court reversed their conviction, the full nine-judge appeals court reversed the reversal, and the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals declined to do any more reversing. And so to Washington.

The statute under which Lawrence and Garner were convicted, Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, is officially known as the Homosexual Conduct Law. Ironically, this statute was a product of the progressive mood of the early nineteen-seventies. In most of the states that still criminalize sodomy, it doesn't matter, legally, whether a couple engaging in behavior (A), above, consists of two men, two women, or one of each.

That's how it was in Texas, too, until 1974. In that bell-bottomed year, the Texas Legislature made heterosexual sodomy legal, but it couldn't quite bring itself to do the same for gays. The result is that Texas is now one of only four states (the others being Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma) where it is a crime for gays to please each other in ways that are perfectly legal for straights. The panel that overturned the conviction saw this as discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

The full state court disagreed. Rather, confirming what Anatole France called "the majestic egalitarianism of the law, which forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges," the court pointed out that in Texas homosexuality is illegal for heterosexuals and homosexuals alike. No discrimination there.

According to the Times's Linda Greenhouse, the Supreme Court probably wouldn't have taken the case unless a majority had already decided to "revisit" Bowers v. Hardwick (1986), which upheld the constitutionality of Georgia's sodomy law.

The decision in that case—by a vote of five to four, as with so many of the Court's clunkers—was an embarrassment. Both its language and its reasoning were shockingly coarse. Writing for the majority, Justice Byron White defined "the issue"—leeringly, sarcastically, obtusely, and repeatedly—as "whether the Federal Constitution confers a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy," or protects "a fundamental right to engage in homosexual sodomy," or extends "a fundamental right to homosexuals to engage in acts of consensual sodomy." Any such claim, he added, "is, at best, facetious."

Caricaturing the well-established constitutional right to privacy in this nyah-nyah way is like dismissing the First Amendment as being all about the right to make doo-doo jokes. It was left to the author of the dissenting opinion, Justice Harry Blackmun, to point out, quoting Justice Brandeis, that the case was really "about 'the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men,' namely 'the right to be let alone.' "

Justice Lewis Powell, who tipped the balance in Bowers v. Hardwick, expressed regret years later that he had voted the way he did. He's gone now. John Paul Stevens, who dissented, William Rehnquist, now Chief Justice, and Sandra Day O'Connor are the only holdovers from the Court that upheld Georgia's sodomy law (which, by the way, was thrown out, a few months after Lawrence and Garner were arrested in Houston, by Georgia's supreme court, for violating Georgia's constitution).

Half the states that had sodomy laws when Bowers was decided have got rid of them, and those that still have them seldom enforce them. But when they are enforced the consequences can be more onerous than it may appear. Lawrence and Garner aren't just out four hundred bucks; they may also be banned from certain professions, from nursing to school-bus driving, and are deprived of other privileges denied to persons who have been convicted of "crimes of moral turpitude."

Anyway, sodomy laws are a standing insult to, among others, millions of respectable citizens who happen to be gay. They are an absurd anachronism and an obvious violation of the right to privacy. Whatever they may have represented in Montesquieu's day, or even Byron White's, in 2002 they are nothing but an expression of bigotry. If the Supreme Court takes a truly honest look at Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, it will surely agree with the view of Dickens's Mr. Bumble: this is one case where, at bottom, "the law is a ass."

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Comment #441 Removed by Moderator

To: Texaggie79
Problem is, even if you shipped all the homos off to an island, AIDS would still be passed around through drug use and hetero sex.

So thank the homosexual community for that !
We have so many now infected, why add laws that allow them total access to infect more? On the contrary, for the sake of public health, out law homosexual behavior, like it used to be. They were once considered insane, and the country is finding out why!
They never should have released them from the insane asylems, but they were. Now look at the damage they've done. We now have NAMBLA after Americas sons!
There's more plagues to come from this. AIDs will continue to mutate. Again, and again, every time they get near a cure.
If the heterosexuals don't want it, they know how to prevent it, but Planned Parenthood is helping them continue.
A lifestyle change, or as Christians would say "repentance" is the only way to stop it.
Supporters- such as yourself- of this deadly lifestyle continue to support it as thousand die each year.

442 posted on 12/10/2002 8:50:22 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Txslady
The law is talking about anal intercourse and you know it.

That's even worse. Government gets to dictate EVERYONE'S private bedroom activities? woohoo, let freedom ring.

443 posted on 12/10/2002 8:51:21 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Yes, let's pretend that drug users and promiscuous heterosexuals don't spread it....

You left out the part where they got it through the homosexual community first and then spread it themselves.

444 posted on 12/10/2002 8:52:01 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
They never should have released them from the insane asylems, but they were.

Hail Hitler!

446 posted on 12/10/2002 8:53:26 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: concerned about politics
You left out the part where they got it through the homosexual community first and then spread it themselves.

But the beastiality peep got it FIRST. So if promiscuous heteros get to get off the hook because they were not FIRST, so do homosexuals.

447 posted on 12/10/2002 8:55:11 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: What is the bottom line
What will those darn gays do next.

Well,their overuse of antibiotics with immune disease has givin modern medicine an uncurable type of staff infection to deal with now.
What next? Something else incurable, I suppose.
Play in the poop too long, you're gonna get sick.

448 posted on 12/10/2002 8:58:16 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: No dems 2002
I have no problem with the government outlawing sexual perversion between homosexuals. These "freedoms" have no place in our society. We all know our founding fathers never dreamed of this.

If the good citizens of Texas are, on the whole, wise and moral enough to outlaw sodomy, more power to them. If the citizens of the People's Republic of California believe that the purest form of sexual expression is between a man and his goat, and they wish to pass laws enshrining bestiality as the official state sexual preference, they should be allowed to do so. I will move to Texas and watch from a distance as Californa suffocates from aspirating the vomit of its deviance.

450 posted on 12/10/2002 9:00:10 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: What is the bottom line
Good point. As a fellow Christian, it saddens me that so many christian sheep are out there that assume that everything they are told at church is Biblically supported. If they were to live hundreds or thousands of years ago, they would be quite shocked at how off base they are.
451 posted on 12/10/2002 9:02:04 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: What is the bottom line
Shilling for pedophilia are you?
452 posted on 12/10/2002 9:02:32 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Texaggie79
But the beastiality peep got it FIRST. So if promiscuous heteros get to get off the hook because they were not FIRST, so do homosexuals.

That's just an educated guess. No one really knows where it came from. The green monkey has a similar virus, but it doesn't hurt the animal nor does it mutate. They ASSUME it was from there.
Others say it came from medicines made from animal parts.
According to prophacy, there was a predicted plague of the blood due to unclean behavior.
Maybe it's just nature cleansing itself. Diseased or mutated animals die off in nature. Forests burn when unkept. Over populated hurds starve off.

454 posted on 12/10/2002 9:04:29 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Texaggie79
Many people of many cultural backgrounds, not just Christians, find sodomy abhorrant.

BTW, when pedophiles are released from prison and pardoned in the Sexual Libertaria of tomorrow, how much in reparations do you believe they should receive from the public purse? $100,000 each?

And how severely should the intolerent conservative Christians be beaten?

456 posted on 12/10/2002 9:07:14 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: What is the bottom line
Good point. Bears repeating in case anyone missed it the first time.

In the old days, families were around to help raise the children. Today that family unit is not there.
Imagine a 12 year old in her own apartment trying to raise three kids. The age of employment would have to be lowered to about 10 so she (or her kid husband) can work to support themselves.

457 posted on 12/10/2002 9:07:50 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Texaggie79
. As a fellow Christian,

Christian? Good. You must own a Bible. Read Romans I.
Then read the last page of Revelations - Chapter 22, 12-16.
Boy, are you in for an awakening!!

458 posted on 12/10/2002 9:11:27 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
Maybe it's just nature cleansing itself.

Maybe it's just freaking life, and if we all minded our own lives there would be a lot less problems.

459 posted on 12/10/2002 9:12:45 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Let me get this straight - you seem to think that people should be able to do what ever -pleases them - as long as it is done in the privacy of their home - regardless of the consequences of who may be harmed in the process. Russian Ruelet can be played in the privacy of someone’s home and it too is considered AGAINST the law.


460 posted on 12/10/2002 9:13:09 PM PST by Txslady
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